how would you know what the initial agreement was? or are you just going off of what aaron says?

the INITIAL agreement was what i said, and i said i would be more then happy to take a polygraph test, and thats not just blowing steam... there are a lot of vancouver webmasters here who could accompany me to a polygraph test to prove i'm not fucking lying...

next.

You dont get it do you. Aaron said he wont accept the rest of the money and the kid will not get the license. Period.

Wrong again son.

Aaron automatically looks like a shit-heel regardless of what you might have said publicly in the way of a retraction. Can you not read? There are dozens of posts in both of these threads of yours of people who have already made up their minds about Aaron. Whatever damage you did has been done, and now you're just quibbling with me about whose faults were pointed out.

Again, this is why you'll always have trouble in this biz. You seem to lack the ability to keep the focus on what really matters. What mattered here was getting the deal done and getting on with your paysite, not putting up some bullshit moral front when you basically fucked up in several ways to begin with.

All I've heard from you is an unwillingness to take ownership of your actions. "Yes I fucked up, Yes I should have nailed down this deal in clearer detail, YES I should have figured out what currency it would be in instead of assuming like I did, YES I should have just sucked it up and gotten the deal done when I had the chance, and YES I should not have taken this to the boards like I did"

Who gives a shit if it sucks to have to say some of that? ALL OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

How that doesn't register in your mind is beyond me. Your agument has gone in circles for what, 15 pages total now? About that. Was it worth it? You still don't have a license and you are still out of pocket a chunk of money. I don't want to sound condescending about your age but fuck man, you have some growing up to do big time. I hope you can use this to help you do that.

Like I said.. he said he said... I have no reason to believe you anymore than Aaron.. and that's the crux of the matter.. You both think you're right and so nothing will get resolved..

Never said that.. They should have resolved it and if they couldn't reach an agreement then it should have been refunded..

What I "get" is that I don't have an ulterior motive like you to make AaronM look bad... However, once AaronM said that, then he should have just given the idiot a refund and been done with it..

I agree with that, no license = refund delivered

there shouldnt be a loophole to just take someones money without delivering anything, if sonofsam did something to breach the agreement they made.. AaronM still needs to deliver the refund and then deal with whatever legal actions after

theres no justification for keeping the money if no goods were delivered

Goodnight all.

Son, good luck with.... whatever you decide to do. I mean that.

Learn from this experience.

Cheers all.

This shit spilled over from earlier today when AaronM came into ContentProducers thread and bad mouthing em.

Thats correct. I NEVER said shit about AaronM. I dont go around calling people idiot, moron, etc like that fucker internet bully AaronM does.

CDSmith : You havn't mentioned one thing about the way aaron dealt with this situation, which tells me you're biassed so excuse me for not taking your posts too seriously....

but thanks for wishing me well :thumbsup

wish i would have ran into Content Producer before i ran into AaronM , he actually cares about customer server and satisfaction.

I went to bar for a bit. Holy shiz drama :upsidedow

this drama is competing with the nats drama, but i think nats drama has more potential.... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

i just saw that now too my gosh i can never leave my house again :(

*sigh*

Aaron is not going to budge on his position. Fact is, I would have advised leniency with you and possibly he might even have listened to that advice at one point, which would have indicated that he was probably being a bit of a hardass here. But that time is long past.

Other fact is, after seeing so many posts from you across both threads you've made on this shit, posts where you really should have kept quiet but instead let your impulsiveness get the better of you, I'm fairly certain that I too would have dealt harshly with you. But I'm not Aaron.... my focus would have been to get the deal done and get you out of my fucking hair. Aaron is in a different place.

Nope, I don't blame him for taking the hard line with you. And.... you have got to know by now that I truly wanted you two to work this out. I know I've made that abundantly clear, but especially so to you.

Not taking my posts seriously for a petty reason like you're saying is just another mistake, born of your young age I suppose. So be it.

Now it's definitely goodnight.

SoS... it is apparently sometimes successful marketing tactic for sponsors and their reps to come across as complete assholes here. But the first thing strikes me is what on earth made you deal with a content provider who does the same thing? You couldn't have handled this much worse: you pretty much hung out a notice saying mug me. And it is still in plain sight.

Coming to GFY is unlikely to damage an image which Aaron seems intent on wrecking anyway. I imagine that he has put what he knows of you together with the relatively small base sum involved, and doesn't believe you will sue him. Serve him papers with a claim for a decent 5-figure sum and you might get his attention. The way to do this is to add to your claim for a refund and legal costs, a claim for the losses you suffered because you were not able to open your pay site.

Aaron has introduced lots of red herrings and dismissed or side-stepped your concerns. But he seems unable to claim that he did deliver what was promised (and illustrated by the samples he sent). It is irrelevant that what he provided might have been useful to some customers or that some might perceive the delivered package as good value. Your "misunderstanding" about Canadian dollars is hard to believe, but that became a non-issue when he went ahead with the transaction anyway. The later licensing issues are most irrelevant of all, because they have nothing whatever to do with the non-completion of the original transaction. Similarly, he has no basis in law for with-holding a refund because you upset him or because he doesn't like what you have been saying about him here (if he thinks those remarks were untrue and have damaged him, that is a separate issue he should pursue).

If you had to depend entirely on opinions as to the attractiveness or otherwise of some of his models, you might be on shakier ground. But you mentioned content categories which by no stretch of the imagination were appropriate. I don't believe you would have any problem at all in proving your case and although it will be harder to justify any additional damages, the nice thing for you is that the onus will be on Aaron to prove that any such claim is not reasonable. That will push his costs up, with no likely benefit except to minimize what he will have to pay you.

There is never a guarantee that people will not behave irrationally, but if you demonstrated you were serious, I doubt this case would ever get to court. It is the kind of nonsense case that the courts generally don't like, so at worst it should be dealt with quickly and therefore relatively inexpensively.

great post jayeff, trust me.. lesson learned

So, what if the individual pics ended up costing more that if you bought them in bulk?

Let's say he only wanted 5k of the pics, and they sold individually at $1 each?

Then what?

Nappy, let's look at the timeline here. You do realize how long after the fact it was that the kid that doesn't know when to keep quiet decided he didn't like the content . . . right?

Let's put your analogy in better perspective . . . you think 2 months after you bought the truck you could decide you didn't like the color?

right on!

I bet she would school them both on how to grow the fuck up..good greif some of ya all need to conduct your biz off GFY..

woj is slipping

Atleast, take something away from this situation:

Unless you have dealt with someone before and trust them, you should always have a written contract/agreement. It doesn't have to be much, a simple half-page receipt takes minutes to write.

One, it would have specified the currency (even if that's not the issue here).

Two, it would have specified EXACTLY the terms of the deal (in this case the nature of the content).

Then, there is no misunderstanding or argument needed.

BULLSHIT. i told aaron AS SOON as i got the content i didn't like it.

its not my fault it took aaron over 1 month to send it.

I think that when search was shut down and jupiter started blocking leeches etc... well.. you get the picture..

I wonder how many lies I will catch you in before this is over?

Notice the dates.......

[18:58] sonofsam signed on at Thu Apr 14 18:58:09 2005.
[20:38] sonofsam: yo aaron
[20:38] sonofsam : whats with all the viruses on the cds?
[20:38] sonofsam: just fuckin with ya :P


Now let's see...THAT was April 14th.

Now let's check in 3 days later.....

Session Start (ICQ - AaronM:sonofsam): Sun Apr 17 00:14:55 2005
[00:14] sonofsam: aaron, would u have a problem with me selling the content to someone for the same price i got it as?
[01:14] sonofsam: why are there gothic sets and pregnant sets on here?
[01:42] sonofsam: sorry but im not satisfied with this content at all... most of these girls have tattoos and are ugly... lots of gothic girls... even pregnant scenes? overweight girls.... .. these arn't "girl next door attainable girls"

Bunch of yellow bellied fags. All of you.

oh, and Aaron is a cow fucker.

You have got to be shitting me. :1orglaugh

and sam eats yellow snot he finds under his desk chair.

hahahah Aaron, wow you proved a LOT with that thread, you know yourself that you sent the content to my MOMS address, and the reason i didn't send it to my own address was because i was moving... and you know thats not bullshit, because i gave you my current address.....

now if you think i'm lying, you can ask the webdesigner for www.BankingBucks.com because he knows me personally and knows where my moms house is , and knows where MY house is...

my mom had called and said i got mail, and i went and grabbed it 3 days later

theres your explanation, if you would like i can prove it for you?


edit: in fact, the webdesigner has BEEN to both of my addresses, and can vouch for which addresses they are...

Let us also not forget that this was all AFTER you informed me that you had over extended yourself and were broke then asked for a refund.

Seriously Mike...How far are you going to go to try to strong arm a refund out of me?

Yeah, I read where you said to keep the money but you and I both know that was to save face and that the only way you will be happy is if I do refund it to you....Which BTW is not going to happen.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470875

Wow, this thread got big fast.

And to top it all off...

CDSmith, you're one sexy mutherfucker.

You're very level headed guy. I like that. You're good people.

LOL...That was pretty much my reaction too. :1orglaugh

i was trying to find a solution, to not have to keep this content, not my fault you didn't deliver what you were supposed to :warning

I never said I didn't send it to your Mommy's house. I know I did...But you came back hours later and joked about the CD's having viruses.

Proof of yet another lie...This time, check the time stamp...Same day:

[13:44] sonofsam: i'll call, its not my address... thats my parents house
[13:44] sonofsam: one sec
[13:46] AaronM: k
[13:53] sonofsam: yah, got it
[13:53] sonofsam: thank
[13:53] AaronM: :)
[14:33] sonofsam signed off at Thu Apr 14 14:33:13 2005.

6 hours and a trip to Mommy's house later.......


[20:38] sonofsam: yo aaron
[20:38] sonofsam: whats with all the viruses on the cds?
[20:38] sonofsam: just fuckin with ya :P
[21:22] sonofsam signed off at Thu Apr 14 21:22:18 2005.




All this kid can do is lie.

And yet many of you still believe his stories. :1orglaugh

also, how would i be trying to get a refund out of you with this? was my initial post that hard to comprehend, i said i dont want your money and that i wouldn't even accept it.

i made a joke about viruses on the cd's and thats verification that i got the CDS and looked at the content? You're an idiot.

by me calling and verifying that i got the cds is why i wrote = i got it, thanks.

anyways aaron i'm going out, keep trying to discredit me with insignificant facts, that i ALSO prove you wrong with.

http://www.yobeat.com/issue11/judge_ju.jpg

Case: Dumb Vs. Dumber

Findings:

1. Since SoS was not trying to profit from posting sample pictures, but simply used some of the sample pictures to demonstrate a point in a public forum (that the content did not fit the description of what he thought he had ordered), which is exempt from being a copyright violation by the fair-use doctrine, and furthermore, since SoS showed good faith by removing the pictures when ordered to do so by AaronM under threat of legal action (even though SoS was possibly not legally required to do so), SoS is not liable for copyright infringement.

2. As to the issue of slander and liable levied by both Dumb and Dumber, look at the name of the web site both of you are hurling profanities and insults on..."Go Fuck Yourself" - enough said.

Ruling:

You are both insufferable pricks...therefore there is only one fair way to resolve this mess:

SoS, give the content that you received back to AaronM. Destroy any digital records you have of it, and never use any of the content.

AaronM, give SoS back his money.

Finally, both of you drop this issue!

Now, both of you get out of here, and I never want to see you (or read your posts) in here again...

NEXT CASE!!!

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