However, as a potential customer THIS should concern you... Post #86 by AaronM
Piss him off and you risk having your license revoked... Granted that there was no license to actually revoke in this case.. But that statement is still a cause for concern..

At the end of the day, nothing changes the fact that Aaron has 3600 bucks and Sam has nothing for his money.

I, as a businessman, just can't fathom letting a customer walk away after taking their money....no matter how much of a newbie deuchebag they were.

I'd do something to make it right.....not try to catch a kid on a technicality and take his money.

Wasn't standing up for him, I was half joking, half telling you he was making a small consession.

What part of "bulk deal" doesn't your mind quite grasp? I have never seen a bulk image package that didn't have some degree of mixed content. I have NEVER seen a bulk package of that size for that price that included 100% specific-single-niche content, or even close to 100% for that matter.

get
a
clue.

He didn't say piss him off, he said "violates my rights"

I don't believe it is legally possible for one non-cop to entrap another non-cop

entrapment

n : a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials

well if aaron says he told me "exactly what was in the content purchase" like he is saying.. then i should know that what i would recieve is cute teen, girl next door daddy's girl type of pics... you know like the numerous samples he showed me..

yeah but that not really a good customer service,
showing your best pics is normal, its called marketing
client not happy, want a refund

why not cut the apple in two and offer to exchange some of the content or offer a partial refund (so the client could keep the sets he likes)

trickering him and threating him with lawsuit isnt the kind of business i wanna deal with.

So now you have 1 upset customers who just told what kind of bad business sense you had on this case beside having a happy customer who will tell his friends how a sweet deal he made with you


nothing for or against both of you
but this situation should easily have been avoided

good post :thumbsup

Most of you who haven't been privy to this issue from the onset, as in from the very first post about it, are all talking out of your collective asses here. Your opinions simply can not count whatsoever because of that. Sorry.

I would not be here saying Sam holds a good measure of responsibility for this mess himself if it were not so. Fact is he does, and anyone saying all that matters is that he is out some money is just plain wrong. I feel bad for the guy too, but there was a way out of this for him a month ago when this all blew up and he refused it outright.

Trust me, I would love to now negotiate a new resolution to this, but barring Aaron somehow changing his mind I don't see it happening. The only thing adding any value at all to this argument now is the sig view and drama value. Period.

lots of business novices in this thread.

this is the ONLY correct answer from a business standpoint.

Maybe it is because everyone has cute, ugly, goth, pregnant and tattooed chicks that live next door to them . . . but not too many have bald chicks living in the neighborhood.

If you've actually been following this then you'd know that there weren't any "rights" that were violated. There was a copyright violation (which AaronM coerced the idiot into doing) but as soon as it was brought to his attention it was remedied... AaronM has made it clear in a several posts that this is about teaching the idiot a lesson... He may have "said" violate my rights.. but that's not what this is about...

i agree with you and i wouldnt have handled it like aaron did

but

like i said before, i think aaron will give him the paperwork. hes fucking with SOS to teach him a lesson.

i dont think aaron will keep this kids money and not give him his paperwork.

if aaron doesnt give him the paper work, aarons credibilty and rep will be damaged to a degree.

aaron may be a spiteful immature prick at times but hes not going to tarnish his reputation over three grand..

oh i get it...

AaronM contacting me on icq saying "make a thread saying you're wrong, and i'll make all the lawsuits go away"

is SUCH a great solution.. basically lie and say that aaron is right, to save myself 3600.... wow, what a wonderful solution.

I think you are wrong there. He will not give in, and yes he will damage his rep for fucking this kid over.

Okay, so what I should do is buy all bulk content deals so I can get the pics at $.07 each, then return the ones I don't want, thus paying only $.07 each rather than the $1 each they would have cost if I bought them individually?

It is this kind of attitude, this defiant "fuck you I'm right - Aaron is wrong" attitude that got you in this mess and keeps you in this mess. Had you just known when to keep your mouth shut, listened to what I was saying back then, paid Aaron the rest of the money and NOT said another word of disagreement about it...... and THEN after obtaining the license you asked him (nicely) if you could exchange some sets (without any attitude in your voice or tone) I can tell you with almost 100% certainty this thread would not exist, you would be happily working your pay site and everyone would be happy.

Sam, it simply wasn't in my power to force you to do what was needed to put this deal behind you. I'm sorry for your monetary loss, but after all is said and done here there is no way I can agree that Aaron is wholey to blame for this.

regardless of what is or isn't a good deal, if aaron had told me there would be BBW / GOTH / HAIRY / BALD / PREGNANT sets, i would have no accepted the content.

Give it up man.. He won't get it until he's got a family to provide for and is getting ass fucked day in and day out at some job that sucks the soul from him... Then.. maybe.. he'll understand that pride and ego means nothing...

the only solution to that was what aaron suggested, he wanted me to make a thread apologizing and say i'm wrong... so he would call off the lawsuits... NOT an option for me... my word is worth more then his lawsuit.

i will beat the horse till its dead, then have sex with it afterwards to prove i am NOT a liar, and that i don't bullshit!

P.S. it would have to be a good looking horse, something like black stallion or something

i've been living on my own and paying my own bills since age 16, and yes that 3600 did set me back quite a bit... but even if it was 10k i would not just lie and go back on my word because someone is bullying me with lawsuits.

sure you would have to expect to pay more than .07$ for the content you will keep because you cannot keep the volume discount (from the buyer point of view)

but at least, you will have only paid for content that you will use, if i were the buyer, i would understand it was for a good part my fault and not be upset after the seller

from the seller point of view, you have a happy client who will rebuy from you and refer his friends in exchange of almost nothing...

you never win when pissing off customers

Wouldn't have killed you.

AND.... there are ways of saying things that placate Aaron and still make you look like an okay guy even if you're admitting to one or two small mistakes.

For the sake of resolving a potential stupid blown-out issue like this has now become, for the purposes of getting on with business and keeping your focus on what matters, then YES..... sometimes it's fucking worth it to swallow your pride and admit you made a mistake. And the fact is, you DID make a few mistakes in how you handled this deal from early on, so admitting those small mistakes would have prevented them from turning into huge mistakes.

Sam..... use this as a growing lesson, I mean really... what else can you do?

Well, you can keep on bitching about it here and waste even more of your time. Up to you of course.

CDSmith: i have admitted the parts where i have been wrong, i.e. the currency thing.... what about aaron? why arn't you riding his ass to say where he fucked up?

hmmm... lets see if my simple mind understands this with some comparison

Car Buyer: "Yes I would like to buy the Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Sure, $3600 and its yours"
Car Buyer: "Great, here you go"
Salesmen: "Enjoy your blue minivan!!"
Car Buyer: "Wait.. I paid for a Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Calling me a liar? Fuck you.. you can have the minivan but good luck driving the fucking thing without the keys, because I'm keeping those.."

unless maybe I totally missed something (aside from the slander excuse)

$3600 isnt just lunch money, taking it based on principal isnt right, but hey.. what the fuck do I know, I'm just a n00b who doesnt make any money =P

you're a lucky n00b, with a really great and nice female friend :winkwink:

One step at a time.

You just finished telling me he told you on ICQ what to do in order to get him to agree to finish this. You chose to tell him basically to "eat a dick".

Sam, that's where it ends.

I can at times help work some of these disputes out, but shit man I'm not a miracle worker. :D

My entire point is that this could have been fixed. You had your chance, and now it's done. My question to you is, what is it you want to do now? I seriously don't see you hurting Aaron's business to any significant degree, really. Of course, even one lost potential client could be grounds for him sueing you, that's true. But in the long run you're not likely to put him out of business, too many big program owners buy shitloads of content from the guy on a regular basis for that to happen.

So... my question to you is... what now? What's the point of going on with this rather circular bonefest? It's certainly raising more than a few postcounts I suppose.

she's the best ever :winkwink:

Bingo. :thumbsup

I went through that same exact thing with AaronM on the phone.
Thats pretty much exactly his point of view.
UN fucking real and he got the nerve to call me an idiot.

I would have paid a few bucks to have listened in on that conversation.

i needed to vent this shit, before i completely drop it.

and you have done a great job at pointing out all my faults, but none of aarons... so that makes me think you are biassed.

You make it seem like aaron was such a generous guy with that offer he made, that if i made a thread saying i lied, and that i'm wrong... that he would drop the lawsuits... would you take that offer? keep in mind you would be marked as a liar, and a bitch.... now you tell me... if you firmly believed in something, and someone offered that they wouldn't sue you if you made a thread calling yourself a liar you would take it? Please.

anyways, thats pretty much all i have to say to you regarding this.

He fucked up and he knows it...

Denial must really suck...

It was more like thinking he was getting a red truck and actually got a burgandy truck.... Also, you missed the part where it was actually for $4500.. But the car buyer only paid $3600 and yet expected the salesman to give him the car keys so he could delivery pizzas to make the money to pay the remaining $900.. Then the he said he said started...

dunno... in my eyes the little guy gets screwed by the big guy just because he's the little guy

I doubt AaronM would do this to someone with some higher status, but my opinion doesnt matter so fuck it

we'll see.

i would be really surprised if aaron didnt give him the paperwork.

id be interested to see how many people think aaron will or will not fuck this kid over.

fuck a poll - post it as a thread :1orglaugh .

That sounds pretty fucked up to me

yeah I was trying to simplify it.. bottom line to me is a service was purchased but not delivered

No.. It wasn't purchased.. A downpayment was made... So nothing needs to be delivered...

an 80% downpayment.. so there should be no refund?