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MikeVega 05-22-2005 09:20 PM

:disgust :disgust :disgust :disgust

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2005 09:22 PM

Nice calm silence now...

ROFLMA...

Great guy...

Really...

Tempest 05-22-2005 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith
He is kind of like the soup nazi of porn content.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh That's a perfect characterization!

Antonio 05-22-2005 09:24 PM

Sonofsam, speak to an attorney !!!!! It is in your own interest, even if you decide not to take any action at least you'll know exactly where you stand.

machinegunkelly 05-22-2005 09:25 PM

That's totally fucked up.
$3600 down the tubes and no content to use ,
cause you complained about the quality ?

unreal

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
Aaron doesn't shoot goth content.

Aaron doesn't want you to use any of the content ? Did you get a refund ? If not, why not ?


No he didn't. And I will be more than happy to tell you why not.

Because of threads like this.

He continues to lie and liable himself about me. He infringed on my copyright and tried to harm my business reputation.

I had several options. 2 of those options included lawsuits against him.

I am the 3rd well known person that he had an issue with in his first 3-4 months of being in this business. The other two let him have his way so he did not learn anything from his fuck ups. Well....I'm not so easy.

If you try to fuck me then I will fuck you back harder. His $3,600 Canadian is nothing compared to what I could have done.

Agree with me or not....I really don't care. If any other client had violated my rights then I would have jerked their license too and they would not have received a dime back from me.

If you fuck up, you lose. That's business. :glugglug

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2005 09:28 PM

Well geeee thats mighty professional of you Aaron...

What a dick...
Ya really are a piece of work...

Spunky 05-22-2005 09:29 PM

What are your options? Talk to a lawyer,go through small claims and spend 5k and a couple years later maybe gain a judgement.You wasted time and more resources.I understand you would be pissed off but all this does is make the matters worse

seven 05-22-2005 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
Actually, SOS has the content...He just lost his right to use it and he's 1 phone call away from losing more.

Just curious.. exactly how did you take the right back from him to use your content without giving him a refund for it?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2005 09:30 PM

God forbid if I ever hustled someone out on a design and told em to shove it and take thier money!!!

Bwaa HAhahahaha!
That would be front page GFY for the next 2 years.

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
i was under the impression the girls were like the many samples he showed me.... wasn't just the term "girl next door" i described it to him, and he showed me a bunch of samples and told me this is what the content package consisted of, no mention of the MIXED content :Oh crap



I have legit question for you Mike.

Do you really and honestly believe this bullshit? I'm serious. If so, you should consider seeking medical attention because you were shown a page that specifically mentioned all of this.

Some people get so wrapped up in their lies that they start to believe them. Are you that deep in yet or this all still just for show?

machinegunkelly 05-22-2005 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
No he didn't. And I will be more than happy to tell you why not.

Because of threads like this.

He continues to lie and liable himself about me. He infringed on my copyright and tried to harm my business reputation.

I had several options. 2 of those options included lawsuits against him.

I am the 3rd well known person that he had an issue with in his first 3-4 months of being in this business. The other two let him have his way so he did not learn anything from his fuck ups. Well....I'm not so easy.

If you try to fuck me then I will fuck you back harder. His $3,600 Canadian is nothing compared to what I could have done.

Agree with me or not....I really don't care. If any other client had violated my rights then I would have jerked their license too and they would not have received a dime back from me.

If you fuck up, you lose. That's business. :glugglug

Spare me alot of reading .. What terms did he violate ?
All I saw is him post some samples of the content you sent him , but I wasn't following the thread to heavily

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunky
What are your options? Talk to a lawyer,go through small claims and spend 5k and a couple years later maybe gain a judgement.You wasted time and more resources.I understand you would be pissed off but all this does is make the matters worse

i am not persueing it legally, i already told him to keep his 3600, remember?

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith
Said it before, I'll say it again, this mess could have easily been avoided.

Even after mistakes were made it could have been fixed. All SoS had to do was pay Aaron the rest of the agreed-upon price, stop cocking off on the board about Aaron, and then ask Aaron if he wouldn't mind exchanging a bit of the content for some more "girl-next-door" type stuff.

SoS was not willing to bend at all, thus here he is with no license which means he can't even use the % of the CD that IS useable.

I tried. Lord knows how I tried. You make your bed, comes a time when you gotta lie in it.


You know. I don;t think I have ever seen another time in GFY history where somebody tried as hard as you did to act as a mediator and work things out between two other parties.

Very commendable of you.

I applaud and appreciate your efforts.

But as you said...sos was not flexible at all. So now, neither am I.

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly
Spare me alot of reading .. What terms did he violate ?
All I saw is him post some samples of the content you sent him , but I wasn't following the thread to heavily

hes mad that i didn't like the content, so since he didn't send me the licences to use the content, he was suing me for posting the pictures lol

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
You know. I don;t think I have ever seen another time in GFY history where somebody tried as hard as you did to act as a mediator and work things out between two other parties.

Very commendable of you.

I applaud and appreciate your efforts.

But as you said...sos was not flexible at all. So now, neither am I.

haha okay aaron, try and make yourself out to be the calm professional guy now... what a joke... how many times did i try and deal with you on ICQ and on the PHONE but you just wanted to bring it to the boards

Clicky_Bucks 05-22-2005 09:35 PM

You fuck with me, I steal your money. Great. You'll get yours one day.

Danny Dukes 05-22-2005 09:36 PM

Was it the fact that he "infringed on your copyright" or the fact that you were embarrased that he showed the type of content you sent him? Most people welcome there work being shown and isn't all publicity good publicity? I myself have never heard you talk about suing someone for posting pictures that had your copyright on them, shit Aaron I've posted pics of me and Ramona that you shot. Give the guy a break man, you really do look like the asshole right now and I'm sure you could give a fuck, but dude give a little to settle the matter.

I know all three of you guys, Aaron, AlienQ, and Sonofsam, You guys are stand up peeps to me and it sucks that as much people that we have to deal with outside of this Industry that we have togo through it within.......Im done here....... In the famous words of MXP "gett it onnnn" !

Spunky 05-22-2005 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
i am not persueing it legally, i already told him to keep his 3600, remember?

Yes,but this kind of shit brings back the possibility of legal action on his part.You will have to use more to defend yourself against it

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
actually i tried to leave him alone, and then a couple weeks later he kept attacking me, so i icq'ed him "listen.. fighting isn't going to solve anything, i'll just pay you the remainder, and then we dont need to talk anymore"

and he responded with fuck you, and that hes not giving me shit, even if i pay the remainder.... (even though the agreement was to get the site up and getting sales before paying the remainder) and that if i asked about it again he would sue me for Libel and copywrite infringement.


Another lie.

I never threatened to sue you if you asked about it again.

I promised to sue you if you decided to continue to tell lies about me.

Oh look...Another thread full of lies.

Gee...Now what shall I do? :1orglaugh

It's almost as if you are straight up asking me to ass fuck you for life.

eroswebmaster 05-22-2005 09:37 PM

hundert?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2005 09:40 PM

Whats the lie?

You took 3600 bucks of his and he didnt get shit for it?



Damn you eros!!!! :thumbsup

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
get my money back? aaron said not only is he keeping my money, but that i'm lucky he's not suing me for 10's of thousands for copywrite infringement for posting those samples, lol.


Yep...You're in pretty deep with the lies and exagerations.

The copyright infringement is worth 10.5k by default. Not 10's of thousands.

Here's an idea...STFU. I'm not sure what you were thinking by starting this thread because I've definitely taken way more heat than this in the past from other bullshitters like you...I'm still here, still doing business, and they are all gone.

Chances are very good that you too will be gone if you continue to do business the way you did.

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:42 PM

i have not lied once aaron.

and btw, your threats arn't scaring anyone aaron, make no mistake.... just because you own a couple of guns, does NOT make you a gangster.

DesignWise 05-22-2005 09:46 PM

worth every bump...
i feel sorry for you son of sam...

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
The copyright infringement is worth 10.5k by default. Not 10's of thousands.

You keep trying to discredit me with small insignificant facts, and btw.. you DID say 10's of thousands.. did you forget about your threat of a LIBEL LAWSUITS?

pr0 05-22-2005 09:47 PM

Give the dude back his $3600, then sue him for defimation of character & infringement.

Seems like the right thing to do, if i'm reading correctly.

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly
That's totally fucked up.
$3600 down the tubes and no content to use ,
cause you complained about the quality ?

unreal


Huh?

No, that's not why.

This thread is too funny.

Hey sos...Yes, please go talk to an attorney. Tell them:

1: How I cut you a deal
2: Showed you EXACTLY what you were getting
3:Sent you the content twice before receiving final payment so that you could get started on site design
4: Tell them how you requested a refund BEFORE you got the content because you were broke and needed the money back
5: Tell them how you have continued to lie on GFY, ICQ, and the phone to various people about this.
6: Tell them that you had no right to publish the images without a license and were specifically told not to but did it anyway.
7: Tell them how you came to GFY to damage my rep.


THEN tell them that after all this I decided to cut you even more slack and simply pull your license.

While they are laughing you out of their office, think about how you will handle your business dealings in the future.

rambler 05-22-2005 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0
Give the dude back his $3600, then sue him for defimation of character & infringement.

Seems like the right thing to do, if i'm reading correctly.

Yeah if "The copyright infringement is worth 10.5k by default." then your still ahead and you will have proven to be right again.

pr0 05-22-2005 09:53 PM

So return the money, or liscense his content. And then take him to court for defimation, libel & infringement.

You can't just legally take his $ & say fuck off.

Thats not how business works bro.

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven
Just curious.. exactly how did you take the right back from him to use your content without giving him a refund for it?


Have you ever seen a license agreement for content?

A license is in place for a reason. There are certain rights assigned and certain rights kept. That's the intent of a license. If those rights are broken by the other party then the person who issues the license has the right to terminate the license.

sos never even got so far as to have the license issued before he broke it. Why would I then continue to consider issuing the license knowing that I will revoke it anyway?

He made a lot of mistakes and it cost him his down payment. He was warned and had plenty of opportunities to not fuck up...But he chose a different rod to travel.

Danny Dukes 05-22-2005 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0
Give the dude back his $3600, then sue him for defimation of character & infringement.

Seems like the right thing to do, if i'm reading correctly.

If he refunds the $3600, wouldn't that kinda fuck him over in the defamation case, Sonofsam would have a good argument and his attornies would question why the money was refunded? :2 cents:

machinegunkelly 05-22-2005 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0
So return the money, or liscense his content. And then take him to court for defimation, libel & infringement.

You can't just legally take his $ & say fuck off.

Thats not how business works bro.

Well said .

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:56 PM

1: How I cut you a deal
i'm pretty sure many content producers would have gladly given me 750 sets for 4500

2: Showed you EXACTLY what you were getting
You did NOT show me what you were giving me, if that was true... why did you offer to refund the bald sets? i thought u said you told me exactly what you were giving me?

3:Sent you the content twice before receiving final payment so that you could get started on site design
you make it sound like it was a favor that you sent it 2 times? not my fault u didn't send it properly, and then lied about sending it through UPS and then changed your story to the mail office fucked it up and didn't give you a tracking number yadda yadda yadda

4: Tell them how you requested a refund BEFORE you got the content because you were broke and needed the money back
asking you for a refund makes a difference why? i asked it as a favor and offered to let you keep 500 of it for your troubles... its not like a DEMANDED a refund... i told you many times i didn't DEMAND one..

5: Tell them how you have continued to lie on GFY, ICQ, and the phone to various people about this.

I havn't lied about SHIT

6: Tell them that you had no right to publish the images without a license and were specifically told not to but did it anyway.
i had a right to use the content to make a paysite and make sales off it, as agreed upon with our arangement... but the moment i am not happy with the content and post samples on the forum it becomes "copywrite infringement" ? interesting... looks like someone can't handle someone not liking their content and being a baby about it.

7: Tell them how you came to GFY to damage my rep.


hell yes, i believe i was scammed and i'm pissed off...



now tell me what i have to gain by lying, since i already said i don't even want the money back?

tony286 05-22-2005 09:57 PM

4500 for 65,000 images are those exclusive because if so there is no money in content lol

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2005 09:57 PM


pr0 05-22-2005 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Dukes
If he refunds the $3600, wouldn't that kinda fuck him over in the defamation case, Sonofsam would have a good argument and his attornies would question why the money was refunded? :2 cents:


No it would fuck up the infringement case, which is based on a contract.

But i'm not a lawyer :2 cents:

Of course the contract would have to say "I can keep your money if you post my pictures on gfy"

AaronM 05-22-2005 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
hes mad that i didn't like the content, so since he didn't send me the licences to use the content, he was suing me for posting the pictures lol


Where did you come up with this theory?

I'm not about that you didn't like the content. I'm upset at the ways that you try to deal with it and the lies that you have told about me in doing so.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Dukes
If he refunds the $3600, wouldn't that kinda fuck him over in the defamation case, Sonofsam would have a good argument and his attornies would question why the money was refunded? :2 cents:

i don't want the 3600 back, nor would i accept it back... i am not in a good financial situation but i would never accept the money... why? to prove i have nothing to gain by lying.

sonofsam 05-22-2005 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404
4500 for 65,000 images are those exclusive because if so there is no money in content lol

4500 for 65,000 pics

what was delivered was 60k images, and not what i asked for


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