I just got killed with Google adwords - GoFuckYourself.com

Marcus · 04-21-2005, 02:32 PM

I just checked my credit card bill and was stunned, $270 for a google adwords campaign.
I wont go into specifics but I got a lot of impressions and about 4% click throughs and $0 in sales. Not 1 sale.

I'm just stunned here. I thought this traffic was supposed to be gold. Ive done better on tgp traffic.

WiredGuy · 04-21-2005, 02:34 PM

Expect to lose money in the beginning with adwords. I burnt through $1k before I was able to make a positive ROI. It does have a learning curve.
WG

Furious_Male · 04-21-2005, 02:35 PM

Welcome to the club. Tweak and try again.

Marcus · 04-21-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Expect to lose money in the beginning with adwords. I burnt through $1k before I was able to make a positive ROI. It does have a learning curve.
WG

why would it work after $1k but not before that?
Are you tweaking the ad along the way, or just leaving it there and waiting?

WiredGuy · 04-21-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

why would it work after $1k but not before that?
Are you tweaking the ad along the way, or just leaving it there and waiting?

Constantly tweaking.
WG

polish_aristocrat · 04-21-2005, 02:37 PM

the problem with adwords is the small volume

( unless you set up 500 campaigns for mini niches like WG probably does )

Tipsy · 04-21-2005, 02:39 PM

If it helps at all generic terms such as 'porn' 'sex' etc are usually way overpriced and convert like shit. Think niche and specific and LOTS of them.

Marcus · 04-21-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Constantly tweaking.
WG

thanks
Do you do any ad campaign consulting?
if you do im icq 286374524
Im not going to fly blind on this anymore, its frustrating as well as budget busting.

bigdog · 04-21-2005, 02:41 PM

wiredguy what is an acceptable ROI for you?

Marcus · 04-21-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy

If it helps at all generic terms such as 'porn' 'sex' etc are usually way overpriced and convert like shit. Think niche and specific and LOTS of them.

I'm using a very specific microniche, and 12 terms for it too.

WiredGuy · 04-21-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

thanks
Do you do any ad campaign consulting?
if you do im icq 286374524
Im not going to fly blind on this anymore, its frustrating as well as budget busting.

Nah, I tend to keep how to make money to myself

WG

WiredGuy · 04-21-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

wiredguy what is an acceptable ROI for you?

Anything positive is good. Adwords is one of the lower ROI engines out there lately for me though unless we're looking at micro-niches. But for something generic, something in the area of 15% is descent.

WG

Furious_Male · 04-21-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Nah, I tend to keep how to make money to myself

WG

Fucking Selfish.

Thrawn$ · 04-21-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

the problem with adwords is the small volume

( unless you set up 500 campaigns for mini niches like WG probably does )

I think if you put a higher daily budget for the campain, your ADs will be displayed more

Nismo · 04-21-2005, 02:46 PM

I burnt through about $700 before I really learned how to make money using adwords. It definately takes a while (and money) to learn the system and make a ROI.

Tipsy · 04-21-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

I'm using a very specific microniche, and 12 terms for it too.

Landing page/sponsor may be worth looking at too then.

If the terms are that 'specific' it can be tough to run up that sort of bill for very targetted terms unless it was over a long period of time. The bill seemed to indicate a bigger term or two. Anyways - have fun tweaking if you decide to keep trying

Marcus · 04-21-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo

I burnt through about $700 before I really learned how to make money using adwords. It definately takes a while (and money) to learn the system and make a ROI.

But once you have a good text and its making money, do you have to keep tweaking or is that it, you just keep adding money to your balence and forget it?

I have some ads on tgps that I never change and they keep making money. and Im trying to do something like that with paid search engine placements

Snake Doctor · 04-21-2005, 02:50 PM

What I find odd about google adwords traffic is that while it converts better (sales ratio wise) the retention was horrible.

Traffic from my TGP galleries converted from trial to monthly at better than twice the rate that the google traffic converted.

Go figure.

Marcus · 04-21-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy

Landing page/sponsor may be worth looking at too then.

If the terms are that 'specific' it can be tough to run up that sort of bill for very targetted terms unless it was over a long period of time. The bill seemed to indicate a bigger term or two. Anyways - have fun tweaking if you decide to keep trying

Alright ill keep tyrying.
The searches are very specific, like red head granny or big cock latino.
Theres no doubt what people are looking for, lol

chowda · 04-21-2005, 02:53 PM

ive been positive ever since i started with adwords.

maybe 1 or two campaigns where i had cost=payout. but those eventually stopped.

maybe it might help to turn off the network content for google if u dont think its doing well.

You can get some nice findwhat results.. i publish them and let me tell ya, they get great exposure

Nismo · 04-21-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

But once you have a good text and its making money, do you have to keep tweaking or is that it, you just keep adding money to your balence and forget it?

I do, but it might be because of what I promote. There's really too many factors for me to answer that question with a single answer. I'll just say practice makes perfect. Old cliche, but it's true. I'm still tweaking my ads and keywords on a daily basis.

WiredGuy · 04-21-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

Fucking Selfish.

hehehhee

WG

PhotoGreggXXX · 04-21-2005, 03:13 PM

wow must have got lucky, but then again our sites our very niche specific
spent $1235 this month so far and return on signups, $1944
our retention is good so I'll keep flipping the $$$

latinasojourn · 04-21-2005, 03:15 PM

yes, adwords never paid for me.

and then you always have to deal with the google folks who want you to do your site and description a certain way.

i spent big loot with them, won't do it again.

Sosa · 04-21-2005, 03:15 PM

I didn't have luck and didn't have the patience to stick with it and keep tweaking stuff.

Mutt · 04-21-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

I just checked my credit card bill and was stunned, $270 for a google adwords campaign.
I wont go into specifics but I got a lot of impressions and about 4% click throughs and $0 in sales. Not 1 sale.

Why didn't you stop the campaign then? You only pay for clicks with AdWords not impressions.

We tweaked Ashley's campaign today and impressions are WAY up, over 1,000
by the end of the day or more - click through rate isn't good now, 3% - problem is she can't remember what the last text ad that was that was doing 14% click through and neither can I. doh!

sonofsam · 04-21-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PhotoGreggXXX

wow must have got lucky, but then again our sites our very niche specific
spent $1235 this month so far and return on signups, $1944
our retention is good so I'll keep flipping the $$$

even if it wasn't good at retaining, you're still making 709 proffit off every 1235 you invest...

media · 04-21-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

Fucking Selfish.

More like fucking smart.. I know you were just breaking his balls, but Charles is smart.. Alot of people you cannot trust with trade secrets..

Before you know it his source of income is gone cuz some blabermouth decides to tell his friends etc etc...

bigdog · 04-21-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Why didn't you stop the campaign then? You only pay for clicks with AdWords not impressions.

We tweaked Ashley's campaign today and impressions are WAY up, over 1,000
by the end of the day or more - click through rate isn't good now, 3% - problem is she can't remember what the last text ad that was that was doing 14% click through and neither can I. doh!

how are sales?

PhotoGreggXXX · 04-21-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

even if it wasn't good at retaining, you're still making 709 proffit off every 1235 you invest...

yep, retention is breaking the rules of the norm...must be my exclusive niche related content on the sites

Mutt · 04-21-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

how are sales?

off AdWords? too soon to tell, one signup - about 100 clicks delivered so far. now that the impressions are up if the CTR goes up it would be well worth it. but not enough traffic yet to really tell much.

Marcus · 04-21-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Why didn't you stop the campaign then? You only pay for clicks with AdWords not impressions.

We tweaked Ashley's campaign today and impressions are WAY up, over 1,000
by the end of the day or more - click through rate isn't good now, 3% - problem is she can't remember what the last text ad that was that was doing 14% click through and neither can I. doh!

a very nice experienced person is messaging me now and giving me a hand, so im going to give it another go.

Yeah, theres nothing worse than having a good ad and forgetting exactly how you worded it.

thanks for the help everyone.

bdld · 04-21-2005, 03:45 PM

this is where having a marketing background is really needed, every word in the ad has to be carefully constructed and then edited depending on the results constantly. i've seen many a competitor come and go throughout the last couple of yrs.

V_RocKs · 04-21-2005, 03:46 PM

Rule #1 - If you can't get the clicks for 5 cents, don't waste your time.
Rule #2 - If you can't be atleast #2 for 5 cents, don't waste your money.
Rule #3 - Don't ever forget rule #1 or #2.

V_RocKs · 04-21-2005, 03:48 PM

I make more money in a day on ads with only 50 clicks or less per day then most people make in a week. Follow the rules.

04-21-2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

Why didn't you stop the campaign then? You only pay for clicks with AdWords not impressions.

We tweaked Ashley's campaign today and impressions are WAY up, over 1,000
by the end of the day or more - click through rate isn't good now, 3% - problem is she can't remember what the last text ad that was that was doing 14% click through and neither can I. doh!

There is a history of ads you can search through there... not sure why you wouldn't ever think of that.

Ca$h · 04-21-2005, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

Why didn't you stop the campaign then? You only pay for clicks with AdWords not impressions.

We tweaked Ashley's campaign today and impressions are WAY up, over 1,000
by the end of the day or more - click through rate isn't good now, 3% - problem is she can't remember what the last text ad that was that was doing 14% click through and neither can I. doh!

mutt, you can see the old ad, just:
1. display the stats for all time
2. then mark the option "Include deleted items that were active in this date range"
3. scroll down to see your old ads

Rich · 04-21-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Rule #1 - If you can't get the clicks for 5 cents, don't waste your time.
Rule #2 - If you can't be atleast #2 for 5 cents, don't waste your money.
Rule #3 - Don't ever forget rule #1 or #2.

You should specify, for adult. I realize that this is an adult board but some people may be doing campaigns for casinos, pharmacies, etc, where things are different. Good advice though, that's about what I look for also with my adult campaigns.

imafuckingaussie · 04-21-2005, 04:31 PM

Mmmmmm, I've gone through thousands over the last couple of years. I will give it a break and then try again with a different product/sponsor. Couple of times I made a profit, but overall I would be well and truly in the red. Tried changing wording, keywords, bid amounts, products. Guess its not my thing lol. Good replacement for poker machines though, one day I might make a profit there.

BlueQuartz · 04-21-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

I just checked my credit card bill and was stunned, $270 for a google adwords campaign.
I wont go into specifics but I got a lot of impressions and about 4% click throughs and $0 in sales. Not 1 sale.

I'm just stunned here. I thought this traffic was supposed to be gold. Ive done better on tgp traffic.

this sort of post from someone who has been in the biz for 4 years LOL

looks like you were scammed son

google is actually really shit resold chinese traffic and tgp is the gold you are looking for

imafuckingaussie · 04-21-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bdld

this is where having a marketing background is really needed, every word in the ad has to be carefully constructed and then edited depending on the results constantly. i've seen many a competitor come and go throughout the last couple of yrs.

Yes, I think your 100% correct. Every word is crucial and probably my big downfall, that and not taking much notice of how much per click I'm paying. I used to just make sure I was #1 or close to it and that obviously was costing me too much!

Dirty F · 04-21-2005, 04:41 PM

My first tries with adwords were horrible...after doing a lot of campaings that cost me money i finally found something perfect making me very easy money with a 30% ctr.

But google refuses to give me any clicks for it anymore :/

I started with over 1k clicks in a day...now im at 50 clicks or so costing me 3 bucks whatever while my budget for the campaign is 120 bucks.

It really pisses me off.

VeriSexy · 04-21-2005, 04:43 PM

Yeah better go after small niches...... Sex and Porn keywords will kill you unless you have experience

Rich · 04-21-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

My first tries with adwords were horrible...after doing a lot of campaings that cost me money i finally found something perfect making me very easy money with a 30% ctr.

But google refuses to give me any clicks for it anymore :/

They frown on bestiality.

Rich · 04-21-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

Yeah better go after small niches...... Sex and Porn keywords will kill you unless you have experience

For some reason they won't sell adword spots for the term "sex" to adult companies. Well, I can see the reason, I just think it's stupid.

Rui · 04-21-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

this sort of post from someone who has been in the biz for 4 years LOL

looks like you were scammed son

Newsflash moron just because somebody is in this business for 4 years doesn't mean he already "played" with SE+ppc before...

mardigras · 04-21-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

For some reason they won't sell adword spots for the term "sex" to adult companies. Well, I can see the reason, I just think it's stupid.

If you type "sex" in Google's general search it hasn't returned adult companies for quite a while.

Furious_Male · 04-21-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by media

More like fucking smart.. I know you were just breaking his balls, but Charles is smart.. Alot of people you cannot trust with trade secrets..

Before you know it his source of income is gone cuz some blabermouth decides to tell his friends etc etc...

Yes of course I was busting his balls.

I don't blame him one bit. I have busted my ass and spent 10s of thousands of dollars myself learning the game. I don't want to share everything I know either.

chaze · 04-21-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

I just checked my credit card bill and was stunned, $270 for a google adwords campaign.
I wont go into specifics but I got a lot of impressions and about 4% click throughs and $0 in sales. Not 1 sale.

I'm just stunned here. I thought this traffic was supposed to be gold. Ive done better on tgp traffic.

It's not a total loss if you learn from it

The add really does make a diffrance. Also put your domain name in it so you get branding from the impressions.

Paparazzi · 04-21-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

What I find odd about google adwords traffic is that while it converts better (sales ratio wise) the retention was horrible.

Traffic from my TGP galleries converted from trial to monthly at better than twice the rate that the google traffic converted.

Go figure.

interesting

04-21-2005, 02:37 PM	#6
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chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	ive been positive ever since i started with adwords. maybe 1 or two campaigns where i had cost=payout. but those eventually stopped. maybe it might help to turn off the network content for google if u dont think its doing well. You can get some nice findwhat results.. i publish them and let me tell ya, they get great exposure __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

04-21-2005, 02:32 PM	#1
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	I just got killed with Google adwords I just checked my credit card bill and was stunned, $270 for a google adwords campaign. I wont go into specifics but I got a lot of impressions and about 4% click throughs and $0 in sales. Not 1 sale. I'm just stunned here. I thought this traffic was supposed to be gold. Ive done better on tgp traffic.

04-21-2005, 02:34 PM	#2
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	Expect to lose money in the beginning with adwords. I burnt through $1k before I was able to make a positive ROI. It does have a learning curve. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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04-21-2005, 02:41 PM	#9
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latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	yes, adwords never paid for me. and then you always have to deal with the google folks who want you to do your site and description a certain way. i spent big loot with them, won't do it again.

04-21-2005, 03:15 PM	#25
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	I didn't have luck and didn't have the patience to stick with it and keep tweaking stuff.

04-21-2005, 03:45 PM	#33
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	this is where having a marketing background is really needed, every word in the ad has to be carefully constructed and then edited depending on the results constantly. i've seen many a competitor come and go throughout the last couple of yrs.

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Rule #1 - If you can't get the clicks for 5 cents, don't waste your time. Rule #2 - If you can't be atleast #2 for 5 cents, don't waste your money. Rule #3 - Don't ever forget rule #1 or #2.

04-21-2005, 03:48 PM	#35
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	I make more money in a day on ads with only 50 clicks or less per day then most people make in a week. Follow the rules.

04-21-2005, 04:31 PM	#39
imafuckingaussie Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the fucking outback Posts: 1,497	Mmmmmm, I've gone through thousands over the last couple of years. I will give it a break and then try again with a different product/sponsor. Couple of times I made a profit, but overall I would be well and truly in the red. Tried changing wording, keywords, bid amounts, products. Guess its not my thing lol. Good replacement for poker machines though, one day I might make a profit there. __________________ You can get it ploughing a paddock, you can get it makin some porn sites, matter of fact I've got it now. For a hard earned thrist, you need a big cold beer.

04-21-2005, 04:41 PM	#42
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	My first tries with adwords were horrible...after doing a lot of campaings that cost me money i finally found something perfect making me very easy money with a 30% ctr. But google refuses to give me any clicks for it anymore :/ I started with over 1k clicks in a day...now im at 50 clicks or so costing me 3 bucks whatever while my budget for the campaign is 120 bucks. It really pisses me off.

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