Lets ALL remove Proxy traffic from the industry. - GoFuckYourself.com

sickbeatz · 04-10-2005, 07:25 PM

Here, without pissing off everyone offering COMMERCIAL software that could possibly kill COMPETING companies (i like my endz, i don't wanna take away someone else's).

How about I build a script that analyzes APACHE log files and checks each unique to analyze whether or not it's from a proxy.. But some people actually surf the net from proxies -- so to go into further detail I'll use a properly designed Hash style linked list to efficiently decide whether or not that connection is productive in the least bit -- that way you can find out where you're getting garbage traffic from SO YOU can SAVE your money and stop WASTING out trades.

Good idea?

foxxx · 04-10-2005, 07:28 PM

but i like getting sold proxy traffic... if i dont get ripped off i dont feel like an adult webmaster... i'd be just a ... webmaster

sickbeatz · 04-10-2005, 07:32 PM

Basically, it'd allow ALL of us to do better business -- MAKE MORE MONEY.. And send cheaters back to McDonald's... How do you feel?

StickyGreen · 04-10-2005, 07:32 PM

i fucking hate that proxy bullshit...muthafuckas with their lil hitbots fucken up my scripts and shit...

sickbeatz · 04-10-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

i fucking hate that proxy bullshit...muthafuckas with their lil hitbots fucken up my scripts and shit...

Okay great. Here's one enthusiastic potential customer for FREE software.. Anyone else?

mardigras · 04-10-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sickbeatz

Okay great. Here's one enthusiastic potential customer for FREE software.. Anyone else?

"Customer" and "free software" in the same sentence is a red flaggy

sickbeatz · 04-10-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

"Customer" and "free software" in the same sentence is a red flaggy

HAHAHA
Yes, it is

But you get the jist.

foxxx · 04-10-2005, 07:47 PM

if you can weed out bs i'm all for it :D
as long as it doesnt slow down my server...

The Sultan Of Smut · 04-10-2005, 07:48 PM

Let us know when it's done

jayeff · 04-10-2005, 07:53 PM

Great idea. But...

I don't pretend this is anything except a guess based on experience, but I estimate that these days around 40% of traded traffic is totally worthless in $$$ terms: either hitbot generated or bought cheaply, sourced from countries that card processors don't want to know about. I don't understand the rationale by which we see the first method as cheating and the second as fair, but there you go...

Lots of people originate this traffic, but even more pass it along more or less innocently. It's everywhere. Which means that if only some webmasters start to filter their traffic, they will kill or seriously reduce most of their trades, losing the good traffic along with the bad.

sickbeatz · 04-10-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Great idea. But...

I don't pretend this is anything except a guess based on experience, but I estimate that these days around 40% of traded traffic is totally worthless in $$$ terms: either hitbot generated or bought cheaply, sourced from countries that card processors don't want to know about. I don't understand the rationale by which we see the first method as cheating and the second as fair, but there you go...

Lots of people originate this traffic, but even more pass it along more or less innocently. It's everywhere. Which means that if only some webmasters start to filter their traffic, they will kill or seriously reduce most of their trades, losing the good traffic along with the bad.

That's something that will be obviously worked out before being made public.
We can't kill innocent trades.

broke · 04-10-2005, 08:04 PM

HAHAHA!

sickbeatz "idea" #6 of free software that will "save" the industry.

I hate to say it, but STFU noob.

wimpy · 04-10-2005, 08:17 PM

how do you plan on detecting proxies?

sickbeatz · 04-10-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wimpy

how do you plan on detecting proxies?

Historical protocol information

Doctor Dre · 04-10-2005, 08:23 PM

I'd be up for it ... always depends on how good is the stuff ...

JFPdude · 04-10-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Great idea. But...

I don't pretend this is anything except a guess based on experience, but I estimate that these days around 40% of traded traffic is totally worthless in $$$ terms: either hitbot generated or bought cheaply, sourced from countries that card processors don't want to know about. I don't understand the rationale by which we see the first method as cheating and the second as fair, but there you go...

Lots of people originate this traffic, but even more pass it along more or less innocently. It's everywhere. Which means that if only some webmasters start to filter their traffic, they will kill or seriously reduce most of their trades, losing the good traffic along with the bad.

Only 40% ... hahaha I wish I had half my money back spent on worthless traffic.

Whenever I buy 100k hits the best I hope for anymore is 15k of them to be any good.

This is why people like choker go on vacation every month. It's like selling air.

pstation · 04-10-2005, 08:31 PM

blocking 99% of proxies is pretty simply, I just have a simple script that will try to connect to the connecting host on the remote connecting host on the usual ports that open proxies usually run on, and if the tests come up positive the IP addy is added to the database and blacklisted

nmcog · 04-10-2005, 08:33 PM

You are as stupid as Nick3131...

Nysus · 04-10-2005, 08:36 PM

As in, any open-to-the-public proxies?

AOL proxies etc. all require the user of the proxy to be a customer, correct?

Matt

Alky · 04-10-2005, 08:41 PM

would never work.... efficiently... sorry to burst your bubble

pstation · 04-10-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nysus

As in, any open-to-the-public proxies?

AOL proxies etc. all require the user of the proxy to be a customer, correct?

Matt

you can using get around that by using SSL, in which the proxies typically are not used and the surfer's ip is directly exposed. But even still, the aol proxies transmit the real ip address in the x_forwarded_for header for normal HTTP sessions

riddler · 04-10-2005, 08:46 PM

LOL, This has to be one of the stupidest ideas, I mean yes its all nice and theory, But its all theory, Good idea's dont last like that, Because i mean thats a common idea and if it was possible to weed out false proxies from legit proxies there would already been a script made thats selling for good money, It's impossible to find out if its a legit proxy or not, Just because you can connect to the bitch and pull http feed on it doesnt mean its a bad proxy or legit, There is no real way to tell, Its not like when you connect to the proxy it sends a string like "HELLO THERE IM A FUCKING PROXY THAT SCAMMERS, HITBOTS, CRACKERS, CHEATERS USE ** PLEASE DISREGARD THIS MESSAGE THANKS **"

Just my

DTK · 04-10-2005, 08:55 PM

Well intentioned idea, but unrealistic from a number of angles

pstation · 04-10-2005, 09:03 PM

I don't see what is so "unrealistic" about this, identifying a legit proxy is not hard at all

riddler · 04-10-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pstation

I don't see what is so "unrealistic" about this, identifying a legit proxy is not hard at all

Umm, How do you define legit? Because its a AOL Proxy? Almost any computer thats running old Windows 2000 AD with ISA is a open proxy server, There is no set standard of whats legit and whats not, like i said in my last post a non-legit proxy doesnt send you: "HEY IM A FUCKING PROXY SCAMMERS USE PLEASE DONT HURT ME"... Its unrealistic.

Alky · 04-10-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pstation

I don't see what is so "unrealistic" about this, identifying a legit proxy is not hard at all

identifying them isnt unrealistic.. checking each ip against a database is.

Alky · 04-10-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrC

Umm, How do you define legit? Because its a AOL Proxy? Almost any computer thats running old Windows 2000 AD with ISA is a open proxy server, There is no set standard of whats legit and whats not, like i said in my last post a non-legit proxy doesnt send you: "HEY IM A FUCKING PROXY SCAMMERS USE PLEASE DONT HURT ME"... Its unrealistic.

of course identifying them wouldnt be exact.. if a few people got screwed and were classified as scammers.. the % would be low... very low.

riddler · 04-10-2005, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alky

of course identifying them wouldnt be exact.. if a few people got screwed and were classified as scammers.. the % would be low... very low.

But see proxies are a dime a dozen, I could compile a list of over 100,000 checked working proxies with in under a week most likely 3 or 4 days max.

If i was to hitbot/scam which i dont those 100,000 proxies would be good because most likely if a true "blacklist" is made only about 10,000 of those proxies might be in that list, Proxies are a dime a dozen, Old ones die, New ones appear, You got dialup proxies which work just fine for mailing, hitbotting and the beauty with those is once that user disconnects from online and comes back hes got a whole new ip, So that IP thats in the blacklist is worthless now until he gets assigned that IP again by the isp's dhcp server.

Alky · 04-10-2005, 09:16 PM

oh you're right, i know.. thats just one of the many factors that wouldnt make this work... but it wouldnt be hard to detect them.. it would just not work out in the long run

riddler · 04-10-2005, 09:18 PM

I would love to see this industry become more scam proof but its going to take time, But with any business industry you are always going to have scammers and cheaters, It's just life and we have to train ourselves to what to look at for

hydro · 04-10-2005, 09:27 PM

ive been working on a proxy blocker for about a week now, basically it blacklists based on a database of public open proxies that have been posted on the internet. Since i used to spam i have a database of about 50 sites that have updated proxy lists daily. These ips would of course be added to the banned list. Its for personal use so chances are i'll make it "open source" and let people change it as they see fit for their websites. Ill keep you guys updated

JD · 04-10-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

I'd be up for it ... always depends on how good is the stuff ...

your sig makes my stomach hurt.....is that goatse?

Choker · 04-11-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JFPdude

Only 40% ... hahaha I wish I had half my money back spent on worthless traffic.

Whenever I buy 100k hits the best I hope for anymore is 15k of them to be any good.

This is why people like choker go on vacation every month. It's like selling air.

Excuse me?? I go on vacation every month because I have busted my ass for 5 years now. For over 2 years I worked over 70 hours a week. Fuck I still work 50 to 60 hours a week now.
I CONSTANTLY make new methods and test new ways to filter out shit traffic. Even recently I stopped sending all gallery traffic with no refering url and no cookies to buyers. It all goes to my own galleries. Do I still pay the sellers for it? Hell yes. And in fact last week I changed the resellers program so that the sellers get back their no cookie and no refer traffic. Buyers in the resell niches do not get it. As far as proxy traffic I am not going to tell you how I filter it, but you better believe I do. Many people buy this traffic at a deep discount.

fris · 04-11-2005, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hydro

ive been working on a proxy blocker for about a week now, basically it blacklists based on a database of public open proxies that have been posted on the internet. Since i used to spam i have a database of about 50 sites that have updated proxy lists daily. These ips would of course be added to the banned list. Its for personal use so chances are i'll make it "open source" and let people change it as they see fit for their websites. Ill keep you guys updated

arent you the guy that spams peoples icq selling proxy lists?

04-10-2005, 07:25 PM	#1
sickbeatz The Hustler Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,993	Lets ALL remove Proxy traffic from the industry. Here, without pissing off everyone offering COMMERCIAL software that could possibly kill COMPETING companies (i like my endz, i don't wanna take away someone else's). How about I build a script that analyzes APACHE log files and checks each unique to analyze whether or not it's from a proxy.. But some people actually surf the net from proxies -- so to go into further detail I'll use a properly designed Hash style linked list to efficiently decide whether or not that connection is productive in the least bit -- that way you can find out where you're getting garbage traffic from SO YOU can SAVE your money and stop WASTING out trades. Good idea? __________________ GalleryFeeder.com Last edited by sickbeatz; 04-10-2005 at 07:27 PM..

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sickbeatz The Hustler Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,993	Basically, it'd allow ALL of us to do better business -- MAKE MORE MONEY.. And send cheaters back to McDonald's... How do you feel? __________________ GalleryFeeder.com

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wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	how do you plan on detecting proxies? __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657

04-10-2005, 08:36 PM	#19
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	As in, any open-to-the-public proxies? AOL proxies etc. all require the user of the proxy to be a customer, correct? Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

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foxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 573	but i like getting sold proxy traffic... if i dont get ripped off i dont feel like an adult webmaster... i'd be just a ... webmaster

04-10-2005, 07:32 PM	#4
StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	i fucking hate that proxy bullshit...muthafuckas with their lil hitbots fucken up my scripts and shit...

04-10-2005, 07:47 PM	#8
foxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 573	if you can weed out bs i'm all for it :D as long as it doesnt slow down my server...

04-10-2005, 07:48 PM	#9
The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	Let us know when it's done

04-10-2005, 07:53 PM	#10
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Great idea. But... I don't pretend this is anything except a guess based on experience, but I estimate that these days around 40% of traded traffic is totally worthless in $$$ terms: either hitbot generated or bought cheaply, sourced from countries that card processors don't want to know about. I don't understand the rationale by which we see the first method as cheating and the second as fair, but there you go... Lots of people originate this traffic, but even more pass it along more or less innocently. It's everywhere. Which means that if only some webmasters start to filter their traffic, they will kill or seriously reduce most of their trades, losing the good traffic along with the bad.

04-10-2005, 08:31 PM	#17
pstation Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 1,135	blocking 99% of proxies is pretty simply, I just have a simple script that will try to connect to the connecting host on the remote connecting host on the usual ports that open proxies usually run on, and if the tests come up positive the IP addy is added to the database and blacklisted

04-10-2005, 08:33 PM	#18
nmcog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 825	You are as stupid as Nick3131...

04-10-2005, 08:41 PM	#20
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	would never work.... efficiently... sorry to burst your bubble

04-10-2005, 08:46 PM	#22
riddler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: up in gang bang heaven Posts: 3,726	LOL, This has to be one of the stupidest ideas, I mean yes its all nice and theory, But its all theory, Good idea's dont last like that, Because i mean thats a common idea and if it was possible to weed out false proxies from legit proxies there would already been a script made thats selling for good money, It's impossible to find out if its a legit proxy or not, Just because you can connect to the bitch and pull http feed on it doesnt mean its a bad proxy or legit, There is no real way to tell, Its not like when you connect to the proxy it sends a string like "HELLO THERE IM A FUCKING PROXY THAT SCAMMERS, HITBOTS, CRACKERS, CHEATERS USE PLEASE DISREGARD THIS MESSAGE THANKS " Just my

04-10-2005, 08:55 PM	#23
DTK Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The 510 Posts: 4,545	Well intentioned idea, but unrealistic from a number of angles __________________ Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

04-10-2005, 09:03 PM	#24
pstation Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 1,135	I don't see what is so "unrealistic" about this, identifying a legit proxy is not hard at all

04-10-2005, 09:16 PM	#29
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	oh you're right, i know.. thats just one of the many factors that wouldnt make this work... but it wouldnt be hard to detect them.. it would just not work out in the long run

04-10-2005, 09:18 PM	#30
riddler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: up in gang bang heaven Posts: 3,726	I would love to see this industry become more scam proof but its going to take time, But with any business industry you are always going to have scammers and cheaters, It's just life and we have to train ourselves to what to look at for

04-10-2005, 09:27 PM	#31
hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	ive been working on a proxy blocker for about a week now, basically it blacklists based on a database of public open proxies that have been posted on the internet. Since i used to spam i have a database of about 50 sites that have updated proxy lists daily. These ips would of course be added to the banned list. Its for personal use so chances are i'll make it "open source" and let people change it as they see fit for their websites. Ill keep you guys updated