rollin

he can translate it
thats why there are services like bablefish

or he can send it over to me, and i can have my russian business partner translate it hehe..

[Labret]

Its says, and I quote... "My country is now third world, our currency is worse less than Canadian money. All out hot women marry American men. We suck. Love, Igor".


"PS, Yackov Smirnoff is the greatest actor of all time".


[This message has been edited by [Labret] (edited 12-03-2001).]

rollin

haha labret
you are a funny guy, and right on the money too

RussianMaster

rollin

5 yrs huh
Record created: 2001-02-28 19:02:49 UTC by CORE-11

DarkJedi

Alrighty fuckers, here we go:

1. Darkess - you can fuck off now. You can't talk and clearly describe what the fuck you want. All you do is swear and threaten me. This IS a discussion afterall. So shove your threats up yer ass.
I was not talking about rape/bdsm and I dont give a shit about it - why do you keep talking about it? I dont give a fuck how you make money. I just said that you DID break the rules and you were wrong.
So bitch, grow some brains, learn how to talk then come back.
2. Lust - first thing is I dont lick anyones ass. You might be obsesses with licking someone's ass, but I dont give a shit about your fantasies
I nither said, nor agreed that all russians were cheaters. So dont feed me that shit. All I said was that Darkness broke the fucking rules - so why the fuck does he bitch about it ?
"russian doesnt leave russians on war" ??
Why the fuck do I have to cover cheaters ass ? I do think he is wrong. If he wasn't - I would stand up for him.

3. And last thing. Don't fucking threaten me, cause you fuckers can't do shit to me. If you want anything with me, just icq me and I'll give you my addess, so you could come over and settle whatever problems ya got.
Now fuck off.

rollin

jedi,
break a few bones hey, the american way :P

DarkJedi

indeed

[This message has been edited by DarkJedi (edited 12-03-2001).]

Lust

DarkJedi, íàäåþñü, òû îñîçíàåøü, ÷òî ó òåáÿ òåïåðü ÍÅ áóäåò áèçíåñà íè ñ êåì èç ýêñUSSR, à òàê æå ñî ìíîãèìè ñ Çàïàäà??
Èëè òû ñíà÷àëà ãîâîðèøü, à ïîòîì äóìàåøü?

DarkJedi

äà

Lust

êðóòî...
"äà" - ýòî îòâåò íà ïåðâûé âîïðîñ èëè íà âòîðîé?

DarkJedi

óãó

tapakah2001

And now... Let's see how you guys deal with this. This is pretty simple case. http://web.archive.org/web/200111301...p://181st.net/ Does this look familiar? Is this the way you guys nailed Darkness, huh? Soooo.... Another Russian cheater and thief, I guess...

RussianMaster

Oh Shit! This looks like a rape adverstise in the middle of the page.

Lust

ðîäíîé, òû äîëáîåá...
è òû ìíå íà÷èíàåøü äèêî íàïîìèíàòü îäíîãî êëîóíà ñ ÄÔ...
Òû ïðîñòî åùå íå ïîíÿë - ÷òî áûòü íóæíî ñ òåìè, êòî òåáå ïëå÷î åñëè ÷òî ïîäñòàâèò, à íå îïóñòèò ïðåëþäíî - êàäà òû îñòóïèøüñÿ...
ìîëîä íàâåðíà...

PS - webarchive - cool project

DarkJedi

huh ?

tapakah2001

Oh yes he really did have a rape ad right in the middle of his page! Fuck. 12 clicks was right. All Russians are cheaters and thieves. And to think that this piece of junk was on your board for so long...

RussianMaster

Incognito

You know, this Dark dude and the other one with IQ equal to his nickname really made me interested in the whole case ( I was not almost interested before) so I finally read it all since the beginning.

So the whole next coming post from me is going to all honest and dishonest webmasters who read it.

It's funny how it always happens in these boards.
When big guys get accused with cheating themselves know what they do?

They always insult the one who accuses them. Know why? It's easy. Because insults bring insults in responce and it always gets boring in the end of 5th page and their reputation doesnt get hurt then cause noone reads it.

It's an old trick and a cheap one.

Now I turned to page 1 and read it all from the beginning and You know what?
In Russia we have a silly proverb saying "AN ELEPHANT IS WHAT WE MISSED".

With all this "cheater" word all around there's something that we all miss I think.
Let me ask a simple question? Do US click programms work legally and by law?
If they do - why the fuck do they brake it and after they break it have enough brains accusing someone else being a cheater?

Let me explain. If I send You traffic from an illegal site (from Your point of view by the way only, unless it is Child Porn You're no law enforcement to decide what's legal and what's not!!!) and You notice it You really by law have only 2 options unless Your terms give You a third option, read further - You'll understand what I mean.

You may stop payments and inform me.

You may NOT STOP payments and NOT INFORM ME, just like they did with Darkness , but there is NO FUCKING LEGAL WAY in that case You keep money generated by that traffic to Yourself.

Are You fucking nuts or what?

You dont block account cause You're
"investigating" it - who the fuck are You then? The FBI ? The CIA ? The Interpol? No fuck - You're a lousy click program.

Yes You dont block the account if You submit it to a law enforcement party and in this case they either make legal charges and prosecutions ,investigations too and advise You not to block it or they tell You that You were wrong , the traffic was legal and You have to pay then.

But if You consider traffic ILLEGAL and dont block the account and save the money to yourselves - then sorry guys, but You're just making money of ILLEGAL TRAFFIC.

Ok so does this mean than anyone can send You ANY CRAP traffic and You got to pay for it unless You go to court each time?
Of course not.

If You consider that the site has ILLEGAL materials You have to block the account and notify the webmaster that he has broke Your agreement with him in which it was defined what traffic he can use or what traffic he cant use and he wont get payed.

In reality it has nothing to do with words "legal" or "illegal". Just like You dont accept Russians in Your program and just like You wont pay for certain traffic types.
It's just a broken AGREEMENT.

However terms of Candid say NOTHING about that You will not block the account violating Your terms and will continue to collect it's money as long they come.

I noticed that Candid guy kept mentioning that he got same rules and ways as famous ADULT.COM along with that other guy who's IQ is equall to his nickname.

But my friend Candid.
AmateurPages click program which I has just visited has the following words VISIBLE AND FUCKING CLEAR over there:

"We take RULES VIOLATIONS very seriously. Those that are found disregarding our simple rules will be terminated without notice or payment."

Where the key words are "TERMINATED WITHOUT NOTICE".


You see Candind....
All this "investigation of the account" , "cheaters" , "illegal sites" is a bullship crap talk honestly worth of a 2 year old kid.

You kept the money generated from a nonhit bot traffic site YOU defined Yourself as illegal without any notification to the webmaster.

Since Your terms dont have a fucking word about notifications You simply broke Your own law - stole the guy's money (by Your terms really they are his because You didnt terminate his account , go read Your own terms again and kill the guy who wrote it even if it's a suicide ) and if his site is found by proper authorities as ILLEGAL - You have also broke the law twice by keeping the money from his account to Yourself and not notifying the law enforcement.

However I am wrong if You DID notify authorities about this account and THEY have advised You (2 monthes ago or when was it) to keep it open. I dont get why do You run around forums then and keep reading this 7 pages.

I'd say You didnt. I'd also say Your terms dont have (visible at least) even the word NOTIFICATION. I'd say by Your own terms - You are the cheater in this situation.

I do understand that You're copying in Your actions other people You simply respect but if You are copying something - do it with Your brains or keep Your tone fucking low when You adress to a person whom You didnt pay his money currently just because of the fact that he doesnt know things good enough and cant speak english good enough.

RussianMaster

He is not russian, btw. He is asshole, it's something like a special race i guess.

We (russians) don't take him, so you guys (americans) may take this shit and enjoy it's presence on your boards. We'll be thankful for that.

Kimmykim

So we have two now eh?

Absolut

Do not touch my country.

You'd better show your stats to Incognito, i know he needs a good laugh

Maybe he would offer you a decent job who knows

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www.ferrocash.com
Great niche sites to promote!

Incognito

Kimmy dont laugh.
You better read my post please.

As a representative of a billing company You got to know laws.

xMagic

Kimmykim, the babelfish is good for simple phrazes but it doesn't always keep the context of the paragraph being translated. It made you misunderstand the very funny post of respected Lust. Seriously.

WBR, xMagic

Theo

I was sure this thread wouldn't die like this and it's up again. After reading the last posts I'll agree with Incognito concerning TOS and this is probably as a result of copy/pasting the TOS of someother sponsor. If someone goes back 2-3 pages of this thread he'll see my comment that I agree not to notify a webmaster about his illegal activity and I explained the reasons. Sponsors recall TOS when it comes to terminating accounts and denying payments. This is acceptable. But, you MUST state certain things on your TOS to do so and not take them out of your head. I have read the TOS of adult.com and I'm sure Lensman's people actually worked on it from zero base instead doing the common thing many of sponsors do: taking from others both TOS and privacy policy. If Incognito is right and you do not state the non notification of the webmaster, sorry but actually candidclicks you're the one that breaks your own TOS. For the ones that will be ready to say "so? big deal" i'll remind them that TOS is part of a mutual contract that both sponsor and webmasters have to follow.

Lust

Kimmy,
I mean - DarkJedi similars with owner of dengiforum.com (Vadim)...
Such pompous...
But he is empty as air ball

Theo

I'm curious to know how many sponsors had their TOS checked from a lawyer. It will be funny to do a research and see that INDEED some of them copied even the last word from another sponsor

Incognito

It's even funny.
They dont TERMINATE his account - they just dont pay the guy because he violated their TOS violating themselves it in the same time.
When his only real fault is not sending FAKE hits for example but sending wrong kind of traffic.

Now if You ask me what's a worse crime to keep someone's money or to send excuse me wrong traffic (and not CHILD PORN by the way, TORTURE traffic the guy had) I vote that we all know who's the cheater here.

evilpavel

candid... Moscow prices are almost the same as here in US.. and 150 bucks would be good for a week, maybe .. please dont reply on that you simply dont know..

evilpavel

why would anyone need to learn russian?

why would anyone need to hear a bitch speaking? hhmmm

candidpublishinginc

Soul_Rebel,

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Despite what the terms and conditions Amateur Pages has up there say, last time I checked they don't notify cheaters nor do they make it obvious that the cheater's account was terminated. They simply freeze the account like we and Standard Internet do.

If you read the TOS of any Standard Internet program, you'll also notice that they'll state that they terminate cheating accounts. Do they? Actually, they freeze the accounts and place them under investigation much in the same manner we do.

You're not an attorney, so please stop acting like one. Much like SI and adult.com we placed careful thought into our TOS and had our attorneys review them.

Now lets stop beating a dead horse here. Darkness + others have been terminated for violated our terms, END OF STORY.

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Candid Clicks
Earn up to 4 cents a click for blind link traffic!
NO CONVERSIONS, NO BS!

[This message has been edited by candidpublishinginc (edited 12-03-2001).]

Incognito

Hey EvilPavel..


Dont do that.
Dont stand on their level. Try to be above this stupidity.

Lets hear the TOS and law explanation instead.
Much more interesting.

12clicks

yet you continue to speak. odd.
--------------------------------------------
after re-reading this entire thread, I've come to the conclusion that you ruskies are right. we're the thieves and you guys are all honest.
please send the KGB to have us arrested now.
If we had only known that CP and Rape were legal in russia we would have never caused such problems.

RussianMaster

12clicks, you've probably read some other thread. May be on your private CP board?


[This message has been edited by RussianMaster (edited 12-03-2001).]

Lust

1. We have no KGB, moron
2. WHERE you find words about "CP were legal in russia" ???
Or you take this words from your stupid head again?

Aro

Winter!
As You know 12dicks is MUDAK
That's explain everything
And we don't need to repeat it.
Hmmmm....
But I like to say this words "12dicks is MUDAK"

[This message has been edited by Aro (edited 12-03-2001).]

RussianMaster

Sounds like truth.

tapakah2001

Mr. 12 Clicks, the only thing that really makes me wonder, is how could you, with your excellent experience in catching cheaters, overlook DarkJedi?

Incognito

Last time I checked AP Click program (hour ago) they also mentioned it in their TOS that they DONT NOTIFY of termination or anything so anyone who signs up there with them - is agree to that.

You dont mention that in Your TOS.

Skip the crap please. Do You understand how many webmasters read it all now?

Incognito

Man,KGB had never had a better target...

Theo

candidclicks, According to your TOS you keep a policy of notifying webmasters even in case they don't send an amount of hits that they're in danger to be canceled. In the case of termination you don't state anything. http://www.candidclicks.com/outterms.html?

From AP: "We take RULES VIOLATIONS very seriously. Those that are found disregarding our simple rules will be terminated without notice or payment. "

Obviously these are TWO DIFFERENT CASES. If you take your TOS seriously you know that stating or not something is really important. I don't want to take it as a personal attack because honestly it's not. You can avoid future similar situations by stating with bold letters that WE WON'T NOTIFY YOU IN CASE OF ACCOUNT TERMINATION. Period. Webmasters that promote violence sponsors do know they can't promote on the same site many of the well known sponsors and i'm sure they read the TOS of the sponsors they join unlike many others. I'm with you on this case. Neither I would like a rape link or banner in the same page where the webmaster promotes my future sponsor program.

Afterall, a straight stating of it will eliminate or at least decrease the possibility of having webmasters promoting this things to join your program.

candidpublishinginc

Go back to submitting to TGPs you lamer. Maybe AP does state that they won't notify cheaters, but SI and we don't.

It doesn't change the fact that Darkness broke our rules though.

I don't think there's any need to state the obvious in my terms.

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Candid Clicks
Earn up to 4 cents a click for blind link traffic!
NO CONVERSIONS, NO BS!

[This message has been edited by candidpublishinginc (edited 12-03-2001).]

RussianMaster

Candid, i bet you would sell all of your programs for the money wich Mr.Incognito makes monthly.

Lust

Ñòîï!
ß äóìàþ Ñàì-Çíàåøü-Êòî èìååò ïðàâî îòâåòèòü ïåðâûì

RussianMaster

He is not awake 24hours/day.

ß óäàëþ òîò ïîñò, åñëè îí ïîïðîñèò, íî ïî-ìîåìó ïîëó÷èëîñü çàáàâíî.

nastradamus

ß ñìîòðþ òóò êàê íà ÀÂÈ , ïî ðóññêè âñå íà÷àëè ïèñàòü

Fuck ...
Americans, I love you

Cause you are so funny when you talking about us ... You all are so honest that all others automatically receive the status of: cheater, motherfucker and so on ...

But look to the truth . Look as far as you are subject to influence of your mass media.

America has thrown a bomb to Yugoslavia - Yugoslavia baned
America does not love an islam - Afghanistan baned
And so on...

And by the way, do you know that Kaliningrad it not the country, but a part of Russia. Though in all your partnership programs this city is designated as certain political unit. And do not tell us please that there are no American cheaters. Me and all others do not trust in it. Each time when you unreasonably start to make conclusions about honesty of this or that nation, think all over again, are you better than all?

I can result hundreds examples in which American webmasters cheated others. For example: Half of your free hosters use redirect after the person starts to receive the big traffic. Or it is not so??

I hope that sometime you all will understand that ....

"Once time is not a crime, but
second time as for the first time.."

LOL ...
Good luck americans !!!

[Labret]

That brought a damn tear to my eye. For many reasons.

Darkness

A small addition to a post of Incognito...

I assert that at the moment of this post my account is active on former. You may be convinced of it.
My login: darkwind
My password: darkmoon

I have changed the my personal information on the account .

Candid WAS OBLIGED to close mine account ! It is written in them TOS :

Failure to comply with any of the terms below could result in any of the following:
- Termination of your Candid Clicks account (Pay your attention to this point !)
- Loss of all funds accrued in said account
- Ban from Candid Clicks and all current and future programs of Candid Publishing, Inc

MY ACCOUNT IS ACTIVE, are not you ?
Candidclicks likes my account. Candidclicks likes my site. CANDIDCLICKS LIKES MY TRAFFIC !!!

Then question- Where is my fucking check ???

The answer is only one - CANDIDCLICK ARE CHEATER !!!


[This message has been edited by Darkness (edited 12-04-2001).]

Keev

die thread die dammit!!!! DIE!@

Incognito

And exactly what was obvious?

Oh yes. StandartInternet doesnt either accept webmasters from almost anywhere but US and in this case some things might not be yet mentioned over there. On the other hand You go and compare YOUR piece of shit called terms with their professional stuff.
Besides they do mention the following:

"* Without limitation, affiliate's participation in the ClickThruTraffic may be terminated..."

Where keywords are "whithoug limitation" which can be accepted at least as some possible form for no notification.

But as I said - they dont accept webmasters from other countries than US.

AP on the other hand has been already mentioned to have a perfect TOS too.

So what was so obvious to You?
That You can steal money from a Russian webmaster because his english is poor?

Or is it obvious to the rest of webmasters who read it that it has been 7 pages and several days already since You keep hiding behind two known companies backs and this forum owners when You have no right to do so because Your own company simply doesnt fit to their standarts and does not have similar TERMS ?

Oh yes, by the fucking way, I beleive it was very stupid of You telling me to "go post galleries You lamer".
I am not insulted honestly nor do I post galleries at all but Your stupidity really suprises me.

Do You treat every gallery poster as a lamer?
Man half of Your income if not more depends on those webmasters who post galleries daily which I beleive is no easy job and work for Your program.

And You oficially call them lamers on public. That's a good move. I wonder how many people around here are gallery posters?

But You're probably right , cause of course they are lamers - because after they earn their pennies You might decide spending those pennies Yourself anyway You wish cause Your own TOS are clearly not a reason for You to care.