Candidclicks are deceivers
 

Attention to webmasters. Candidclicks are deceivers. I was registered last summer. I performed them my resource. They agreed to accept traffic from this resource and accepted me to the programm. I did my work for 3 months. But I didn't order any checks because I wanted to collect payment for only one check. Unfortunately, no checks was sent to me. The support service didn't answer my 4 lettrs. I received replay only in 5 letters.The cause of unpayment is tortures on my resource. I think they are deceivers. They shouldn't accept me for this programm. They received from me traffic within 3 months and now refuse to pay.

[This message has been edited by Darkness (edited 11-12-2001).]

In the words of Lensman, Darkness is another Russian cheater

He wasn't paid because he had words like "RUSSIAN RAPE", "DUTCH RAPE AND TORTURES", "BLOODY TORTURES", "PISSING and SHITTING" on his web site.

Our rules clearly state that such descriptions, material, and/or links are not allowed in our program.

Ask Lensman or 12clicks if they'd allow such traffic in their programs. They obviously won't.

Darkness, you are such a fucking moron for even posting here. Didn't you call me a swindler just like Lensman in your email? How ironic that you're even using his board to post this.

Why don't you tell everyone how you threatened me by sending the Russian Mafia after us? LOL. Too bad the russian mob doesn't deal with child pornographers and rapists such as yourself.

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I know i shouldnt get into this but i cant resist. He cheated, thats clear so no cookies for him but im really wondering. Did you mail him and block his account when you found out he was cheating or did you let him send you his "unwanted" traffic till he stopped it him self?

A Russian cheater? Say it isnt so.

His info says he is from PA... and you know those people from PA. Damn thieves every single one of them. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

He has a PO BOX in PA, but he is located in Russia we have his account information.

Below are some screenshots of his site with the offending text:
http://www.candidpublishing.com/temp/e1.jpg http://www.candidpublishing.com/temp/e2.jpg

When it comes to cheaters we take the same policy that Standard Internet and Adult.com takes. We don't notify them, we simply freeze their account and not pay. It is THEIR responsibility to read and understand the terms. I will not waste my time mailing cheaters. If you ran a sponsor program, you'd understand why.

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You freeze their accounts but you still let the unwanted traffic go to your site? The "rape" traffic? Thats what i want to know.

Again, I think I made myself clear on this matter. We use the same anti cheater policies as Standard Internet and Adult.com.

When the account is frozen, it is still open but we hold all funds. If there are any buyers that are buying traffic on a per click basis from us, they are auto credited by our system for any fraud traffic. This does not apply to house sites, and buyers that pre pay on a commission basis.

In addition if anything illegal under Federal law is discovered, the proper authorities are contacted. In a court order we would also turn over the violator's account information thus this is why the account is frozen not terminated.

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battuss, I find it ironic that every time there is a dispute between a cheater and a sponsor, some moron like yourself comes out of the woodwork and tries to take the sponsor to task.
Until you run your own clickthru, you should be seen and not heard.

I never interrupt in this kind of posts normally, not my business but i think this sucks and im wondering who is worse, the cheater or they person that gets cheated and still takes the traffic and comes up with some lame excuses. And i felt like saying something about it.

Mr Candidp. seems very upset and wont pay for THAT kind of traffic, rape, cp, bad bad bad but hey keep on sending it, we still might make a buck out of it. 12clicks, you can say what you want but you cant talk it right.

so you admit to siding with cheaters?
typical.

No, i hate cheaters and they can all go to hell, without these people the net would be a better place. But the cheater in this story has already been taken care off so im not gonna say something about him, he got what he deserved. But lets stick to my question instead....
Whats next? Am i a cheater too in your next reply?

Battus,

You don't seem to understand how this business works. Or any kind of business for that matter.

We don't want cheaters to know that we're on to them. Does the FBI stop a bunch of fraudsters right away? No of course not. They usually monitor them for years to collect more information.

We FULLY co-operate with the authorities on any and all matters that concern them. We give all account information and evidence as soon as a court order would be present.

Now Battus, I'm getting tired of repeating myself here. Like 12clicks said. Either you're siding with the cheaters, or you're still a newbie.

Anyways lets stop beating a dead horse here. Darkness cheated and we used standard anti cheater procedures. End of story.

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I am no newbie and i am far from being a cheater. Sure lets end this post, you wont admit you are wrong and i dont understand your business so we have a dead end, right?

You might want to change your sig, especially the last 2 words.

I say lets end this thread because you don't understand you're wrong and you don't understand this business.

Yeah right...
Stop accusing Batuss of siding with cheaters to defend your greedy policy.

Batuss you're completely right, they love getting traffic without having to pay for it.
I would http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

There are also sponsors that do play it fair and let you know when your account is on hold, like gammacash.

But I do think not letting webmasters know if their account is on hold is helping combat cheaters.
If all sponsors would tell the cheaters their account is on hold, the cheaters can immediately open another account with another sponsor and cheating would be more profitable.


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If you are naive enough to say such ludicrous statements, you are very new to this business. Getting accepted by The Hun for a year doesn't count either. There's a lot more to this business than just TGPs.

No my friend I am not wrong. Don't try to be an expert about running a webmaster program, because you're not.

Why are some of the biggest and most successful sponsors like adult.com and Standard Internet using these anti cheater policies? Because they work. Cheaters must be investigated carefully, and it doesn't help if you make it obvious to them that you know they cheated. They'll simply re-join your program again and cheat some more! Besides, we don't have time to personally contact rule breakers anyway.

Why do you think so many blind link programs went out of business or started paying for only English traffic while we and the other major sponsors are still around?

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Well...

I suppose I'm another russian 'cheater'.
I'm working with candidclicks about three months. They accept traffic from my sites but they don't hurry to send payments.
My account doesn't blocked and i can see my stats and candidclicks agree to receive traffic in the future http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif
I sent about three or four letters to [email protected] and still have no awnser.

I just want to say: I won't die without payments, but I think that if sponsor doesn't want to work with me, sponsor _must_ block an account but not just ignore advertisers. That's all.

Bye Guys!
2 candidpublishing: Have a nice business http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
P.S. Don't forget to block my account

WBR, Aro

hehe, I've never seen a better job of talking out of both sides of your mouth. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

oh look, another fist time poster slamming a sponsor.
Ever hear the phase "thick as thieves"? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

First they dont allow this kind of traffic, just like you and then you say you keep on accepting all the rape and kiddie porn traffic for fbi investigations.
So lets say you find 40 cheaters a month, that means 40 fbi investigations will be opened?

You sound like real expert to me, you have the lamest exuses ive seen in a long time.

But hey dont mind this newbie/cheater.

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
Well... I knew this awnser...

The one post wonders are all coming out of the woodwork now!

First of all, on default we don't allow webmasters from Russia into our program.

Second, we did have a period where we let a few Russians in. It was a major disaster so we immediately killed the project. All legitimate Russian webmasters are still paid to this day though.

Aro, our support email address is [email protected] not [email protected]

We reply to all legitmate webmasters. If you're not getting a reply or getting paid, it's a clue that you failed to cheat us. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

We have over 1200 legitimate webmasters in our program now that get paid on time every time. We wouldn't be in business didn't pay anyone like these cheaters claim.

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Please comment on this instead, i cant wait for your answer.

Contacting the FBI depends on the severity of the offense.

We also conduct internal investigations on each cheater to learn more about the cheater community.

This stuff must be flying over your head if you don't get it by now.

Funny how you're attacking us when other sponsors do the same thing. If you don't like it you shouldn't even be posting on GFY since Lensman has similar policies involving cheaters.

Instead of wasting my time, why don't you do something productive like submit to the TGPs?

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It's beside the point you are profiting from this sick traffic.

Makes NO DIFF. if you continue to take the traffic your are wrong.
Send the traffic to some black hole.

The thing this has to do with BUSINESS, is it's bad Business.Your as bad as the CHEATER.

This has NOT one thing to do with the FBI, your not the FBI and should not be using them as an example.

Am not saying you should let the cheater know
you've caught them, am saying you nor anyone else should keep profiting from this sick traffic and there is not one
dam thing you can say to me that will change my mind.

Makes no Diff. who runs there business this way. They are wrong also to profit from this Sick Traffic.

As to business I was in business when you were still in your mamma's womb.
Now that my 2 cents.


Jim

Im outta here, you got no brain.
The only thing you did, mr bigshot, is accusing people you dont know of being cheaters and newbies. Everyone who says something negative about mr iownthenet is a newbie. Well, i maybe not as long as you on the net but at least i run a fair business which is worth way more than all those years of eperience you BIG GUYS have. Good luck with your mega business. You must be the godfather of the net, i (newbie) have nothing to say anymore to such important persons like you. I am not worthy, bye.

Ok. Sorry for mistake in e-mail. I wrote emails exactly to [email protected].
If you think I'm cheater, please let me know via email, not on BBS.
BTW, I joined your program when you accepted webmasters from Russia. I was referred by Lust and never cheat you. I have no rape or cp traffic on my resourse. I'm work only in hentai and fetish nisches. So, I don't know why you ignore my emails and i wonder that you awnser so quickly on this board.

WBR, Aro

Hell yeah that should take all the traffic they can and make all the money they can from cheating webmasters.

That's called reducing shrinkage. Shrinkage is a little thing that honest consumers/webmasters have to make up the difference for by higher prices at retail stores or lower payouts by sponsors.

Who do you think pays these cheating webmasters checks?? The sponsor?? Get real, no business is in business to lose money, the consumer or webmaster in this case foots the bill.


As someone once said.
Screw the Screwers.

RD

well, it didn't take to long to get to the bottom of this did it?

(let me bash a successful program so I can spam my own fly by night operation)

I'll have to side with the sponsors on this matter. Put yourself in THEIR shoes. If you had a program with terms and conditions posted as to who sends you traffic and how they send it, then you catch someone that isn't following those rules, wouldn't you just get pissed off and say "Fuck em", ESPECIALLY if you already sent them money already.

I know that whenever I join up with a new sponsor, I look through their terms THOROUGHLY to make sure that I can follow them.

I do the same kind of things with my sites. I know that when someone signs up with one of my site's scripts and starts sending me traffic from their sites of off the wall niches or if they have a billion popups, I don't send it back to them, I just disable the trade and let them keep sending it to me. They know that they're trying to fuck me by giving me a bunch of shit traffic, while I'm returning decent quality stuff back to them, so why should I let them know ?

I guess to sum this up, it all goes back to following the rules. If you can't follow a sponsor's rules, don't join up with them. AND when in doubt on something, shoot the sponsor an email to ask them about it.


[This message has been edited by Slick (edited 11-12-2001).]

If we sent it to a "black hole" as you call it the cheater would find out close his account and join again.

Again let me make this clear. We credit all of our per click buyers on all fraud traffic when the account is frozen. This doesn't apply to house and commision based buyers because it's simply not possible and there's no need for it.

And no it's not a lame excuse to keep an account open but frozen due to an investigation. Keeping the account open is very important because most of these halfwits refer more cheaters which makes our life easier. It also allows us to gather more information about them and their operation.

Besides most cheaters aren't child pornographers or rapists. Most of them are hitbot cheaters. We leave their account open too, despite the fact that their traffic is completely worthless and just hogs up server resources. Why? Because they provide valuable information.

Okay, I gave away enough trade secrets for today. Don't tell me how to run my business. This stuff is none of your business anyway.

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[This message has been edited by candidpublishinginc (edited 11-12-2001).]

I'm just interesting...
What does 4freebucks.com thinks about sending sick traffic to them during 3-4 months?
Or maybe candidclicks redirect all cheaters traffic to fbi.com ? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Lastly,

Thanks our good anti fraud systems, it allows us to give YOU the honest webmaster a true blind link program with no conversions. There are no traffic leaks, and no BS. You will never be canned or switched to per signup for bad conversions because we can flex things a little thanks to our cheater protection.

Same goes with the sponsor programs from standardinternet.com and adult.com

So lets stop the bitching, and lets make some money! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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Aro,

It sounds like you're just a fantasy character made up by Darkness to bash our good name.

We keep in good communication with them since we have a special deal with them, and they know we run a solid ship.

Aro I guess you can't read English very well, because I already explained why we don't just redirect traffic to fbi.com, I'm not repeating myself again.

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Don't believe my post said One thing about hitbot cheaters. If I recall it said if you were profiting for sick traffic and
if you do, your as bad as the person sending the dam sick traffic.

As to telling you how to run your business no way am I. Am saying (one more time here) if you profit from sick
traffic your as bad as the person sending you the sick traffic. Really not a alot of logic in that is there.

As to being any of my business, may not be my business but I'll never do business with you also you, because you profit from sick traffic, if you continue to accept sick traffic.
And that's the bottom line, if you accept it you profit from it.

Jim

Jim

Well...
Sounds good http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
But I receive no awnser via email.
So... I have only one question: Do you think i'm cheater or not? If you awnser "ya", i should know why, if "no" i'd like to get email in my box.

WBR, Aro

You can see my account at your system.
So I'm not fantasy man http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
I'm just interesting why you ignore my emails. If you banned me from your program, please let me know. It's easy as 1,2,3.
If you want to work with me in the future why you ignore me?
If you thinks all Russians are cheaters - you are wrong. 90% of russian webmasters works hard and never cheats anyone.
So.. We could spend our time to make money together instead this unuseful discuss.

WBR, Aro

Jim,

If you didn't understand my example about the hitbot cheaters, than there's no hope for you.

I'm not repeating myself again. I presented all the reasons why we freeze accounts.

It's not about taking the traffic. Trust me, if you look at the big picture there isn't much to take from them anyway. We use the same policies on all cheaters whether they are hitbot cheaters or rapists.

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Aro/Darkness, you've been busted. Move on.

Aro,

I'm not handling emails, so asking me to email you will be fruitless. Steve is handling emails because I was busy overlooking the development of our dialer network until I got sidetracked with this.

90% of Russian webmasters aren't cheaters? Where did you get that little statistic from? If that were true, why does almost every sponsor ban Russia then?

Is it because they are racist? I'm sure. I guess I'm racist against myself since I'm Polish but I banned Poland huh? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by candidpublishinginc (edited 11-12-2001).]

Hey, Guy
Did You ever saw my sites?
Do you know what kind of traffic i have?

How you say i'm cheater?

Easy, Guy...

If you're from russia, the chances that your NOT a cheater are slim.

LOL

To the complainers...Don't cheat and you'll do just fine.
To anybody that doesn't run a program and bitches about cheaters being treated unfairly...shush please!

It's difficult for non-program operators to understand the problems, hassles, expenses, legal issues, and general PAINS IN THE ASS that cheaters cause. No matter if it's a free host, a sponsor program, a pay site, a hosting company, or any other service, cheaters always try to get "a little more" out of it. That "little more" might be $50, and it might be $50,000. No matter what it is, it comes out of yours and our pocket.

It sucks. It's a complete waste of time dealing with many of these people, because by the means of most of their methods, they don't obey the rules by which you and I survive. They are thieves. The rules are in place for reasons, if you don't like the rules, don't use the program. If you don't like the rules to all the programs, get out of the business.

And, Yes there are many exceptions to this. A miscommunication, a deleted file, a freehost putting a banned word in the header, or a half of dozen things can cause a problem...and many times the sponsor will recognize this for what it is...a mistake...and life will go on. But this is the exception.


I just hate to see honest people's time being wasted trying to defend their stance against cheaters. Why would that need defended?

Just me pennies... :-)

Have a great day!

A wise man hears one word and understands two.

Sirs. Yes - I Russian webmaster. But you are mistaken if considers that all Russians are swindlers. I did not use the program for click-generation. I fairly sent traffic which I have. Candidclick knew that traffic will go with paintop.com. Candidclick thought that I shall send to Candidclick teen- traffic? What may be on a site with a name paintop ? Candidclick has accepted me and my resource in the program and accepted my traffic. I sent the best traffic from the first position paintop.com within 3 months. They would accept and is farther if I have not suspended traffic and would not demand money. Thus they have agreed to work with me. They received traffic. They should pay. I think so.

Candidclick. Fucked goat. I did not threaten with a mafia. I have told that Russian mafia does for infringement of a word. A word the most valuable in the Internet.
With Lensman I never worked. He may not know me.
Put my money into your ass. Goats !
You have acted not fairly.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA...this is going on my list of favourite posts. There is nothing funnier then an ESL poster threatening someone. Too funny.

I think Darkness wants to fuck a goat or something. I believe Gary would be the right person to talk to in regards to goats.

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