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xxweekxx · 12-19-2004, 11:34 AM

Damn i rememebr you guys saying *It is not possible to shave with NATS*

Now you are covering it up and saying *It is not possible to shave WITH NATS, but its possible while using NATS*

Everyone who has half a brain knows that you guys were aggresively marketing your shit as a *NO shave solution.. You made webmasters believe that it was 100% impossible for any program using NATS to shave....

This statement is false however.. and now you covered it up and said that there is no shave option in NATS..

..

J.R. · 12-19-2004, 11:35 AM

deleted it.

dig420 · 12-19-2004, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by taboo_dude
John,

Since I have spent an hour this morning reading this thread, digging up old threads and showing some of the facts. For those of you who want an alternative to the HIGH PRICED nats program that your currently using, we will sell you our software for a 1.00. We'll call it the "$1.00 you can shave with nats EASILY sympathy sale."

Being in this biz for about 8 years now, there is one thing I know beyond all doubt: You get what you pay for, and 1.00 doesn't buy anything worth having.

V_RocKs · 12-19-2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Good stuff

There you have it folks.. how a sponsor program CAN shave your sales even if they do use NATs

Regards,

Lee

Dude, your point is lost. If you did do this, the affiliates would notice it right away. If you deleted sales the postback would recover them from the billers. You lost. No affiliate program is shaving with NATS or while using NATS. If you want to post one that is, and you can prove it, I am sure their license will no longer be valid. If you can't do this, then just shut up. Talking to you is really annoying. You have been a GFYDonkey.com recipient for the entire year.

iwantchixx · 12-19-2004, 12:08 PM

does this include shaving my balls?

Thomas1007 · 12-19-2004, 01:15 PM

alot to read here,
No software can claim that it is impossible to shave using them. period. Nats I will admit has excellent software and I've heard nothing but great things. I have watched over the last few months as the have agressively used the "no shave" using nats
as a sales tactic and attacked other competitors for having a feature something we all know "some" program owners wanted.
The offer for $1.00 software IMO is ridiculous, but I cant say what goes thru anyones mind. I can tell you this, there are Other options to Nats, we have never claimed to be perfect nor would we, but I can say our affiliate software has all a program owner needs and we're currently running a holiday special.

See our Offer:

TMM_John · 12-19-2004, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thomas1007
alot to read here,
No software can claim that it is impossible to shave using them. period. Nats I will admit has excellent software and I've heard nothing but great things. I have watched over the last few months as the have agressively used the "no shave" using nats
as a sales tactic and attacked other competitors for having a feature something we all know "some" program owners wanted.
The offer for $1.00 software IMO is ridiculous, but I cant say what goes thru anyones mind. I can tell you this, there are Other options to Nats, we have never claimed to be perfect nor would we, but I can say our affiliate software has all a program owner needs and we're currently running a holiday special.

See our Offer:

Good post

Just to clarify we have marketed NATS has having no shave feature, which it does not. Other software has in the past and I'm sure there are softwares out there which still do. Whether or not a program owner wanted it does not make it right for a software company to build it in for them.

The $1.00 thing made me laugh also, I can't imagine what kind of support they will be providing for $1.

bigdog · 12-19-2004, 01:47 PM

Wether or not you can shave with nats it's still the best affilate software out there for the money. Nats got people scared, maybe they should raise their prices a bit so their competition can compete with them.

I Like Chocolate · 12-19-2004, 01:54 PM

I thought that thing was NADS not NATS.

Thomas1007 · 12-19-2004, 02:02 PM

As stated earlier in the thread, you get what you pay for.
Anyone buying software for $1.00 either is broke or doesnt give a shit about support. From what I can see Nats and Mpa both are
relatively expensive if bought outright, but you do get what you pay for. The affiliate software field will in future im sure have more competition which in turn is good for the program owners.
More competition, lower costs etc. We being new in the game have tried to build software that meets the clients needs and offer several options to make even the smallest program owner able to purchase/rent the needed software to run his/her program. This along with the special we're running allows another option for program owners to look at.

See our Offer:

European Lee · 12-19-2004, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Raven
He's the same guy who stated his site retained at 95% before it was a month old.

Nothing like a little sensationalistic posting, Lee.....time for GA to rein you in again.

And, don't bother attacking me....I'm done with this thread.

Raven,

I dont know why im even replying to you but as im sure a lot of people can tell you and your husband are nothing but scam artists who rip people off.

What the real reason you were both fired from EC? Was it something to do with the THOUSANDS of dollars you bilked from Steve at every tradeshow without being able to provide receipts?

Why do you think Gary and I have very little to do with you and wont give you the time of day at the shows?

Im done with you.

Regards,

Lee

European Lee · 12-19-2004, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxweekxx
Damn i rememebr you guys saying *It is not possible to shave with NATS*

Now you are covering it up and saying *It is not possible to shave WITH NATS, but its possible while using NATS*

Bingo

Regards,

Lee

SomeCreep · 12-19-2004, 02:35 PM

this thread is so lame

XPays · 12-19-2004, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nathan
With NATS you would need to:

1) Use a non-NATS join page.
2) Use a non-NATS biller.
3) Not cascade through NATS.

Its not "just change the signup page". Thats simply wrong.

Doing any of the 3 above is OBVIOUS to any surfer since the pages will suddenly change. Thus this is not a really good shave, we WILL detect you doing it and it WILL cause you more problems than it gains.

Hi Nathan,

Quick question- you never addressed the .htaccess and mod_rewrite/mod_perl examples questioned in this thread. It appears companies host their own dns/domain - so how would nats efficiently audit traffic redirection on the inbound surfer- the hit could still show up in nats i assume, just under the wrong id.

Thanks in advance-

xxxcooper · 12-19-2004, 02:56 PM

as an affiliate....

ive had no luck with nats....

either....the programs ive used havent set them up right, or they are shaving, or..... i dont know.... but the sales have not added up... and i and im not impressed so far....

they mau be great for paysite owners, but if affiliates arent making sales.... forget about them continuing to advertise. You might make some sales off them at first, but they will stop advertising REAL QUICK!

TMM_John · 12-19-2004, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxcooper
as an affiliate....

ive had no luck with nats....

either....the programs ive used havent set them up right, or they are shaving, or..... i dont know.... but the sales have not added up... and i and im not impressed so far....

they mau be great for paysite owners, but if affiliates arent making sales.... forget about them continuing to advertise. You might make some sales off them at first, but they will stop advertising REAL QUICK!

I'm sure your traffic repsents everyone's including the numerous people who have said ratios are much better once a program switches to NATS. If you feel you need to blame the affiliate software for your traffic not converting you need to take a long look at why you're in this business. Someone could always buy NATS and setup shitty sites with it. A few programs and your traffic don't represent the whole industry.

TMM_John · 12-19-2004, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XPays
Hi Nathan,

Quick question- you never addressed the .htaccess and mod_rewrite/mod_perl examples questioned in this thread. It appears companies host their own dns/domain - so how would nats efficiently audit traffic redirection on the inbound surfer- the hit could still show up in nats i assume, just under the wrong id.

Thanks in advance-

I'm not technical enough to answer your question in that regard. However, read the thread, we've said a # of times that of course things can be fucked with. I can send you checks for wrong amounts too. We can't prevent everything, what we can do is take a strong stance against it unlike many in this business and if we catch someone trying to do something we can take action against it. Not encourage it as some have done. That's the point we've been trying to make.

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2004, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
So does that mean you are agreeing that it is possible to shave using NATS?

Just want to clarify your position on that

Regards,

Lee

gay webmaster BASH

how fitting

Thomas1007 · 12-19-2004, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I'm not technical enough to answer your question in that regard. However, read the thread, we've said a # of times that of course things can be fucked with. I can send you checks for wrong amounts too. We can't prevent everything, what we can do is take a strong stance against it unlike many in this business and if we catch someone trying to do something we can take action against it. Not encourage it as some have done. That's the point we've been trying to make.

Very good post:
No software company can ensure what a sponsor does. Period.
If his traffic isnt converting that could be any number of things
( IE: design, wrong niche, shitty content etc etc )
What we as software providers can do is ensure that Everything is done from OUR end to see that If you try to shave or fuck with the code in any manner, you will eventually be caught and have your Liscence revoked. Period.
What specific programs/sponsors do is up to them, we just have to have as many checks in place as we can to assure Quality.

Need Affiliate software? 10% get it now:

taboo_dude · 12-20-2004, 06:52 AM

John,

We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you.

My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof.

If others want to use your software because of false advertising you feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. His not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies.

I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work.

Before you go, you never did reply directly to my post other than:

Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate.

Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa.

Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof?

BEGIN THREAD:

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.

makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them.

So to say its not shaveable is misleading

fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons.

Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily.

and thats a fact jack!

fthylmann: Do you even listen?

Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day.

Blocking postback data does NOT HELP.

I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen).

I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so.

Enough about this...

__________________
--
Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

END THREAD.

I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it.

Your going to sit there and say that you or others (we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats

You should go on the road

Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because

1. We don't need too.
2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period.

Remember this, what comes around goes around my friend and you'll get yours one day.

I'm outta here for probably another 4 months.

To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

TMM_John · 12-20-2004, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by taboo_dude
John,

We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you.

My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof.

If others want to use your software because of false advertising you feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. His not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies.

I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work.

Before you go, you never did reply directly to my post other than:

Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate.

Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa.

Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof?

BEGIN THREAD:

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.

makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them.

So to say its not shaveable is misleading

fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons.

Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily.

and thats a fact jack!

fthylmann: Do you even listen?

Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day.

Blocking postback data does NOT HELP.

I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen).

I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so.

Enough about this...

__________________
--
Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

END THREAD.

I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it.

Your going to sit there and say that you or others (we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats

You should go on the road

Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because

1. We don't need too.
2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period.

Remember this, what comes around goes around my friend and you'll get yours one day.

I'm outta here for probably another 4 months.

To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

See you in 4 months!

taboo_dude · 12-20-2004, 07:03 AM

Sorry I had edited it to fix a few typos and remove the what comes around statement. I felt it sound to much like a threat. Here is how it should have looked with some bold TYPE so John could read easier.

John,

We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you.

My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof.

If others want to use your software because of the false advertising you have been feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. He is not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies.

I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work.

Before I go, you never did reply directly to my post other than:

[QUOTE]
Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate.

Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa. [/QOUTE]

Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof?

BEGIN THREAD:

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.

makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them.

So to say its not shaveable is misleading

fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons.

Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily.

and thats a fact jack!

fthylmann: Do you even listen?

Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day.

Blocking postback data does NOT HELP.

I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen).

I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so.

Enough about this...

__________________
--
Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

END THREAD.

I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it.

Your going to sit there and say that you or your employees (which is: we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats

You should go on the road

Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because

1. We don't need too.
2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period.

I'm outta here for probably another 4 months.

To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

TMM_John · 12-20-2004, 07:08 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by taboo_dude
Sorry I had edited it to fix a few typos and remove the what comes around statement. I felt it sound to much like a threat. Here is how it should have looked with some bold TYPE so John could read easier.

John,

We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you.

My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof.

If others want to use your software because of the false advertising you have been feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. He is not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies.

I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work.

Before I go, you never did reply directly to my post other than:

Quote:

Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate.

Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa. [/QOUTE]

Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof?

BEGIN THREAD:

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.

makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them.

So to say its not shaveable is misleading

fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons.

Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily.

and thats a fact jack!

fthylmann: Do you even listen?

Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day.

Blocking postback data does NOT HELP.

I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen).

I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so.

Enough about this...

__________________
--
Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

END THREAD.

I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it.

Your going to sit there and say that you or your employees (which is: we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats

You should go on the road

Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because

1. We don't need too.
2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period.

I'm outta here for probably another 4 months.

To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

I thought you didn't care. If you don't care why are you getting so worked up about things.

See you in 4 months!

edit: I'm not taking the time to reply to you. You post incoherrent things. Your posts are full of pieces of things thrown together out of context in a mishmash of ununderstandable text. Your posts are full of typos and screwed up grammer. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you either, I've done it a # of times in this thread already and you seem very stubborn and stuck up (for what I don't know) so you'll never listen to anything anyone has to say.

So, I'll see you in 4 months! Enjoy your holidays!

xxxoutsourcing · 12-20-2004, 07:11 AM

Modify the sign up page so it carries code sometimes and sometimes not.

TMM_John · 12-20-2004, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxoutsourcing
Modify the sign up page so it carries code sometimes and sometimes not.

Something tells me you didn't read the entire thread. I'm not typinging it over and over again.

OY · 12-20-2004, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
If I mistook him I appologize

No worries John. Apology accepted.

RODRIGO EL' PETRO · 12-24-2004, 05:56 PM

I shaved my anus today and then Juicy D Links petetrated it with his circumsized penis

European Lee · 03-29-2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

If you only had half a clue the checks and balances built in to detect that at points.

Okay Sparky... Care to comment on your 'checks and balances' now that J+A have caught you out too?

Regards,

Lee

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 02:48 PM

bump for the info

12-19-2004, 11:34 AM	#251
xxweekxx Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,780	Damn i rememebr you guys saying It is not possible to shave with NATS Now you are covering it up and saying It is not possible to shave WITH NATS, but its possible while using NATS Everyone who has half a brain knows that you guys were aggresively marketing your shit as a *NO shave solution.. You made webmasters believe that it was 100% impossible for any program using NATS to shave.... This statement is false however.. and now you covered it up and said that there is no shave option in NATS.. .. __________________ _________________ I am the best

12-19-2004, 11:35 AM	#252
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	deleted it. Last edited by J.R.; 12-19-2004 at 11:37 AM..

12-19-2004, 01:15 PM	#256
Thomas1007 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BC Canada Posts: 5,542	alot to read here, No software can claim that it is impossible to shave using them. period. Nats I will admit has excellent software and I've heard nothing but great things. I have watched over the last few months as the have agressively used the "no shave" using nats as a sales tactic and attacked other competitors for having a feature something we all know "some" program owners wanted. The offer for $1.00 software IMO is ridiculous, but I cant say what goes thru anyones mind. I can tell you this, there are Other options to Nats, we have never claimed to be perfect nor would we, but I can say our affiliate software has all a program owner needs and we're currently running a holiday special. See our Offer: __________________ BUY THIS SPOT CONTACT ME FOR DETAILS Contact Email

12-19-2004, 01:47 PM	#258
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Wether or not you can shave with nats it's still the best affilate software out there for the money. Nats got people scared, maybe they should raise their prices a bit so their competition can compete with them. Last edited by bigdog; 12-19-2004 at 01:50 PM..

12-19-2004, 02:02 PM	#260
Thomas1007 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BC Canada Posts: 5,542	As stated earlier in the thread, you get what you pay for. Anyone buying software for $1.00 either is broke or doesnt give a shit about support. From what I can see Nats and Mpa both are relatively expensive if bought outright, but you do get what you pay for. The affiliate software field will in future im sure have more competition which in turn is good for the program owners. More competition, lower costs etc. We being new in the game have tried to build software that meets the clients needs and offer several options to make even the smallest program owner able to purchase/rent the needed software to run his/her program. This along with the special we're running allows another option for program owners to look at. See our Offer: __________________ BUY THIS SPOT CONTACT ME FOR DETAILS Contact Email

12-19-2004, 12:08 PM	#255
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	does this include shaving my balls?

12-19-2004, 01:54 PM	#259
I Like Chocolate Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 821	I thought that thing was NADS not NATS.

12-19-2004, 02:35 PM	#263
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	this thread is so lame __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

12-19-2004, 02:56 PM	#265
xxxcooper Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 178	as an affiliate.... ive had no luck with nats.... either....the programs ive used havent set them up right, or they are shaving, or..... i dont know.... but the sales have not added up... and i and im not impressed so far.... they mau be great for paysite owners, but if affiliates arent making sales.... forget about them continuing to advertise. You might make some sales off them at first, but they will stop advertising REAL QUICK!

12-20-2004, 06:52 AM	#270
taboo_dude Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: TN Posts: 707	John, We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you. My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof. If others want to use your software because of false advertising you feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. His not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies. I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work. Before you go, you never did reply directly to my post other than: Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate. Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa. Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof? BEGIN THREAD: angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this. makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them. So to say its not shaveable is misleading fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons. Fabian Thylmann Too Much Media LLC NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily. and thats a fact jack! fthylmann: Do you even listen? Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day. Blocking postback data does NOT HELP. I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen). I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so. Enough about this... __________________ -- Fabian Thylmann Too Much Media LLC NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software END THREAD. I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it. Your going to sit there and say that you or others (we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats You should go on the road Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because 1. We don't need too. 2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period. Remember this, what comes around goes around my friend and you'll get yours one day. I'm outta here for probably another 4 months. To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. __________________ If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. The Duke.

12-20-2004, 07:03 AM	#272
taboo_dude Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: TN Posts: 707	Sorry I had edited it to fix a few typos and remove the what comes around statement. I felt it sound to much like a threat. Here is how it should have looked with some bold TYPE so John could read easier. John, We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you. My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof. If others want to use your software because of the false advertising you have been feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. He is not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies. I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work. Before I go, you never did reply directly to my post other than: [QUOTE] Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate. Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa. [/QOUTE] Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof? BEGIN THREAD: angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this. makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them. So to say its not shaveable is misleading fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons. Fabian Thylmann Too Much Media LLC NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily. and thats a fact jack! fthylmann: Do you even listen? Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day. Blocking postback data does NOT HELP. I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen). I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so. Enough about this... __________________ -- Fabian Thylmann Too Much Media LLC NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software END THREAD. I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it. Your going to sit there and say that you or your employees (which is: we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats You should go on the road Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because 1. We don't need too. 2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period. I'm outta here for probably another 4 months. To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. __________________ If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. The Duke.

12-20-2004, 07:11 AM	#274
xxxoutsourcing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,888	Modify the sign up page so it carries code sometimes and sometimes not. __________________ xxxoutsourcing.com ICQ:119936 \| Aim:xxxoutsourcing \| MSN:msn@ xxxoutsourcing.com \| Yahoo:xxxoutsourcing Submitters, Designers, Programmers, Cartoonist, Creative Writers, Video & Photo Editors Convert your Paysite into a cartoon site convert2toons.com

12-24-2004, 05:56 PM	#277
RODRIGO EL' PETRO So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 103	I shaved my anus today and then Juicy D Links petetrated it with his circumsized penis

12-03-2006, 02:48 PM	#279
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	bump for the info