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V_RocKs · 12-18-2004, 03:33 PM

So let us view just the facts here.

NATS says that shaving is not build into the program. Other affiliate software does have it built in.

NATS programmers have built the database in such a way that shaving is much more difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if it has checks in it to make sure the numbers are not changed, if they are, you lose your license?

NATS says that if you are caught shaving around NATS system then you will lose your license (possibly also exposed here?).

Lee is an attention whore.

European Lee · 12-18-2004, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
So let us view just the facts here.

NATS says that shaving is not build into the program. Other affiliate software does have it built in.

NATS programmers have built the database in such a way that shaving is much more difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if it has checks in it to make sure the numbers are not changed, if they are, you lose your license?

NATS says that if you are caught shaving around NATS system then you will lose your license (possibly also exposed here?).

Lee is an attention whore.

You missed the most important fact of all..

IT IS STILL POSSIBLE FOR A SPONSOR TO SHAVE IF THEY USE NATS

Regards,

Lee

XPays · 12-18-2004, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
So let us view just the facts here.

NATS says that shaving is not build into the program. Other affiliate software does have it built in.

NATS programmers have built the database in such a way that shaving is much more difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if it has checks in it to make sure the numbers are not changed, if they are, you lose your license?

NATS says that if you are caught shaving around NATS system then you will lose your license (possibly also exposed here?).

Lee is an attention whore.

and several program owners congratulating Nats for a) terminating anyone they catch shaving, b) finally correcting the false impression their clients created with all the false claims they used to compete unfairly.

Very refreshing that webmasters understand that programs using nats can shave and also that Nats appears 100% against it. A lot of new affiliate software packages are popping up and there is still nothing better than proprietary source code that one can update as needed on their own.

QuaWee · 12-18-2004, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
You missed the most important fact of all..

IT IS STILL POSSIBLE FOR A SPONSOR TO SHAVE IF THEY USE NATS

Regards,

Lee

you are a fucktard

The guy never said it was "impossible". He said there is no "built in" shave feature. Would you like me to buy "Hooked on Phonics" for you. You obviously have a reading comprehension problem or are you look for attention? Did your mommy not hug you when you are little or did she hug you to much?

European Lee · 12-18-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by QuaWee
you are a fucktard The guy never said it was "impossible". He said there is no "built in" shave feature. Would you like me to buy "Hooked on Phonics" for you. You obviously have a reading comprehension problem or are you look for attention? Did your mommy not hug you when you are little or did she hug you to much?

I never said there was a built in shave feature either.

Please point to any section of this 3 page thread where i said that.

The guy was arguing the same point that i was.. he let his emotions get in the way of fact because he though i was hammering on NATs which i wasnt.

Perhaps you better had buy a copy of hooked on phonics and use it yourself.

Regards,

Lee

QuaWee · 12-18-2004, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
I never said there was a built in shave feature either.

Please point to any section of this 3 page thread where i said that.

The guy was arguing the same point that i was.. he let his emotions get in the way of fact because he though i was hammering on NATs which i wasnt.

Perhaps you better had buy a copy of hooked on phonics and use it yourself.

Regards,

Lee

++He said there is no "built in" shave feature. ++

I was talking about PBucks saying that not you. Try to comprehend. So, so so sad. I congratulate you

ry0t · 12-18-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by pradaboy
I bet you could, it's all about trust not software options

No it's about software options actually.

European Lee · 12-18-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by QuaWee
++He said there is no "built in" shave feature. ++

I was talking about PBucks saying that not you. Try to comprehend. So, so so sad. I congratulate you

LOL

Did you even read what i said? I agreed that NATs had no shave feature built in however, it would seem a lot of the posters in this thread seem to be under the impression that IS what i said LOL

Regards,

Lee

TheGoldenChild · 12-18-2004, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XPays
and several program owners congratulating Nats for a) terminating anyone they catch shaving, b) finally correcting the false impression their clients created with all the false claims they used to compete unfairly.

Very refreshing that webmasters understand that programs using nats can shave and also that Nats appears 100% against it. A lot of new affiliate software packages are popping up and there is still nothing better than proprietary source code that one can update as needed on their own.

A very well thought out post Evan...

European Lee · 12-18-2004, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XPays
Very refreshing that webmasters understand that programs using nats can shave

The problem is, a lot of webmasters, until this thread was started didnt realise that was the case and that NATs although it is a great product, offers no more protection aganst shaving than a chocolate bar

Regards,

Lee

garry · 12-18-2004, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
So let us view just the facts here.

NATS says that shaving is not build into the program. Other affiliate software does have it built in.

NATS programmers have built the database in such a way that shaving is much more difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if it has checks in it to make sure the numbers are not changed, if they are, you lose your license?

NATS says that if you are caught shaving around NATS system then you will lose your license (possibly also exposed here?).

Lee is an attention whore.

Now I planned to stay out of this thread But when someone is making false accusations AGAIN, I just had to add my comments to at least that part of the thread that concerned us.
I guess your "other affiliate sofware does have it built in" was ment for us.
MPA3 does not in any shape or form have any built in shaving options built in to it !
You guys have to start finding a new way of getting free advertisement now!

james_clickmemedia · 12-18-2004, 04:26 PM

First there was click thru calvin, now there are nats and mpa.. In a couple of years there will be other third party solutions for those that cannot afford or have not got the time to program a custom solution.

Last year there was swoit this year there is dollars.com next year there will be ?? Anybody see a pattern.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garry
Now I planned to stay out of this thread But when someone is making false accusations AGAIN, I just had to add my comments to at least that part of the thread that concerned us.
I guess your "other affiliate sofware does have it built in" was ment for us.
MPA3 does not in any shape or form have any built in shaving options built in to it !
You guys have to start finding a new way of getting free advertisement now!

Garry you need to learn that I, nor V_Rocks mentioned your fucking program.

You are not the only other software out there. Why is it when someone says "software that shaves" you assume they're talking about you.

MPA3 has no shave feature either. You guys took a good step in doing that. I have never said it has one.

beemk · 12-18-2004, 04:28 PM

attention whore

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 04:30 PM

Also a general reply but mostly to Holio & Evan...

Some of our client's may be over pushing the fact that we do not have a shave feature. I understand your point there. We'll be discussing this Monday and deciding if we need to put some limits on anyone after reviewing their sites/claims.

No shave feature aside, NATS is the most configurable and stable affiliate software available. That is the main reason why it has taken off like it has. It is a solid, well supported product from a real company who take what they do seriously. Just ask any of our clients.

Steen2 · 12-18-2004, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
Thanks for the clarification

For the record though, without even having seen how NATS works i can tell you that no matter how advanced the script itself is, you dont have to touch ANYTHING on the scripting side of things to be able to shave signups.

Ill let you figure out the 'how then' though

Regards,

Lee

.htaccess

andrej_NDC · 12-18-2004, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
nor V_Rocks mentioned your fucking program.

please, John...this is not the good way to promote your program

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by andrej_NDC
please, John...this is not the good way to promote your program

Did you read my post? Garry is the one who came in here getting pissy and starting it up again. We did not mention his program. We do not attack him. This is something he has invented in his head.

andrej_NDC · 12-18-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Did you read my post? Garry is the one who came in here getting pissy and starting it up again. We did not mention his program. We do not attack him. This is something he has invented in his head.

Yes, I did, but in the last weeks, both NATS and also MPA attacked the other company. I think it would be the best if each company would talk about their positives and features, not about negatives of "the other" program.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by andrej_NDC
Yes, I did, but in the last weeks, both NATS and also MPA attacked the other company. I think it would be the best if each company would talk about their positives and features, not about negatives of "the other" program.

Which is what I have done in this thread. Search the thread, I did not mention MPA or Mansion at all once. Yet you still feel the need to jump on me.

However marketing is about showing why your product is better. That involves showing the downfalls of competitors. When asked why we are better we will always state things of that nature. It's simple business and totally acceptable.

We do not make personal attacks against anyone and we do not make false claims. We never have. I think Oystien is a great guy for instance. That doesn't mean that if I find a problem with a product of his I won't point it out to people looking at both my product and his.

garry · 12-18-2004, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Garry you need to learn that I, nor V_Rocks mentioned your fucking program.

You are not the only other software out there. Why is it when someone says "software that shaves" you assume they're talking about you.

MPA3 has no shave feature either. You guys took a good step in doing that. I have never said it has one.

Hmmmmm I whonder why I assume this after all your guys posts about this topic in the past.

andrej_NDC · 12-18-2004, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Which is what I have done in this thread. Search the thread, I did not mention MPA or Mansion at all once. Yet you still feel the need to jump on me.

However marketing is about showing why your product is better. That involves showing the downfalls of competitors. When asked why we are better we will always state things of that nature. It's simple business and totally acceptable.

We do not make personal attacks against anyone and we do not make false claims. We never have. I think Oystien is a great guy for instance. That doesn't mean that if I find a problem with a product of his I won't point it out to people looking at both my product and his.

I didn't jump on you, to be honest, NATS is #1 in my book, when I decide to go for cascading. I just didn't like the "your fucking program" sentence about MPA.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garry
Hmmmmm I whonder why I assume this after all your guys posts about this topic in the past.

LOL, I post about much much more than that.

Again, when people directly ask me the differences between products I am going to tell them. I havne't made things up about you, I never would.

I don't go posting it out of the blue, I do when my product and your product are brought up. I don't attack you. I have not even mentioned you or your product in this thread, OTHERS have. Yet you feel the need to come after me about it.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
I didn't jump on you, to be honest, NATS is #1 in my book, when I decide to go for cascading. I just didn't like the "your fucking program" sentence about MPA.

Gotcha, that was me just being a bit emotional about him constantly accusing me of "attacking" him when I have done nothing of the sort. If linux says Windows crashes all the time when asked about Windows, they're not attacking them.

andrej_NDC · 12-18-2004, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Gotcha, that was me just being a bit emotional about him constantly accusing me of "attacking" him when I have done nothing of the sort. If linux says Windows crashes all the time when asked about Windows, they're not attacking them.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by andrej_NDC

I still like your program btw

When you're ready to make the move let me know, we'll work with you to make it very easy to make the move both technically and financially.

D-Money · 12-18-2004, 05:04 PM

I love everyone.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money
I love everyone.

I owe you a drink

andrej_NDC · 12-18-2004, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I still like your program btw When you're ready to make the move let me know, we'll work with you to make it very easy to make the move both technically and financially.

thx

the most important part is epochEU

XPays · 12-18-2004, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Also a general reply but mostly to Holio & Evan...

Some of our client's may be over pushing the fact that we do not have a shave feature. I understand your point there. We'll be discussing this Monday and deciding if we need to put some limits on anyone after reviewing their sites/claims.

No shave feature aside, NATS is the most configurable and stable affiliate software available. That is the main reason why it has taken off like it has. It is a solid, well supported product from a real company who take what they do seriously. Just ask any of our clients.

Thanks for considering our comments and the best part is the general interest in the power of affiliate marketing. The affiliate marketing and advertising sector continues to grow and that is good news for all of us

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XPays
Thanks for considering our comments and the best part is the general interest in the power of affiliate marketing. The affiliate marketing and advertising sector continues to grow and that is good news for all of us

No problem, shoot me an icq when you have a few, 5596373

OY · 12-18-2004, 07:19 PM

"False Advertising

Any advertising which is misleading in any material respect is considered to be false advertising. An advertisement is considered misleading if it fails to disclose facts which are important in light of what is stated in the advertisement, or facts which are relevant in the light of the customary use of the product.

The Federal Trademark Law gives consumers similar protections against false labeling, although it was mainly intended to protect businesses against unfair competition. By its terms, the law permits any person who believes he is or is likely to be damaged to bring a lawsuit against any false designation of the origin, false description or fake representation of goods or services in interstate commerce.

Deceptive Business Practices"

Bla bla bla... And then there is some more bla bla bla and bla...

Some word of advice; keep the game fair and you will play for a long time.

gideongallery · 12-18-2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
Okay let me re-phrase the comment..

I can shave you even if we use NATS without modifying the software.

Regards,

Lee

of course you can just put untracked bleeder links on the tour and you can shave all you want

see

tawnyroberts

which uses nats

currently one of the links to her video store doesn't include an affiliate id

just make some of your links to the join without an affiliate passthru and you are shaving hits whenever a person clicks on that link

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
"False Advertising

Any advertising which is misleading in any material respect is considered to be false advertising. An advertisement is considered misleading if it fails to disclose facts which are important in light of what is stated in the advertisement, or facts which are relevant in the light of the customary use of the product.

The Federal Trademark Law gives consumers similar protections against false labeling, although it was mainly intended to protect businesses against unfair competition. By its terms, the law permits any person who believes he is or is likely to be damaged to bring a lawsuit against any false designation of the origin, false description or fake representation of goods or services in interstate commerce.

Deceptive Business Practices"

Bla bla bla... And then there is some more bla bla bla and bla...

Some word of advice; keep the game fair and you will play for a long time.

The last thing in the world we need from you or your company is advice.

While you have the dictionary out.. look up fraud, theft, and accessory.

You just won't quit will you.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gideongallery
of course you can just put untracked bleeder links on the tour and you can shave all you want

see

tawnyroberts

which uses nats

currently one of the links to her video store doesn't include an affiliate id

just make some of your links to the join without an affiliate passthru and you are shaving hits whenever a person clicks on that link

Not paying out on video sales is not _shaving_.

Shaving is the stealing of signups unknown to the affiliate.

No where does Atlas claim they pay out on video sales as far as I know and it is in plain view to anyone and everyone that they don't.

If they put a link on their site to Sports Illustrated subcriptions or who knows what it doesn't mean they need to pay you on it, that depends on how they run their program. If you don't like how they run their program you don't have to use it.

It's when it's done blindly and decivingly that it is shaving.

Libertine · 12-18-2004, 09:01 PM

Lee may be annoying, but he does have a point with this thread. Many webmasters are idiots when it comes to technology, and they don't understand that shaving can also be done outside of the tracking script. They need to know the truth

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
Lee may be annoying, but he does have a point with this thread. Many webmasters are idiots when it comes to technology, and they don't understand that shaving can also be done outside of the tracking script. They need to know the truth

Again, of course. I've never made a claim otherwise. The only claims we've made is that NATS has no shave feature, that we have made it as hard as we know how to avoid and will continue to improve up on what we've already done, and should we ever find someone screwing with the numbers there will be consequences to face.

I never imagined in my life we'd be met with so much definace for trying to bring a little bit of integrity to the business.

Lee is annoying, he choose to single us out, most likely for the attention. He's on my shitlist and he'll stay there. There is a way to bring up a point and a way not to. He did it the childish way. I never shy away from a discussion about things. I'll debate the shaving thing and how to best prevent/avoid it all day long. Usually only good will come out of it. But when he starts a thread making false claims (i.e. he uses NATS) and looking to single us out, I have a problem with it.

As far as the modifying of things, you can do exactly the same thing with a CCBill only program (as serveral people have stated in this thread). People for years have said "you're safe with us since we use ccbill for our affiliate program". No one ever jumped on them for it.

NATS is a very powerful, very flexible software that is growing and taking hold at an unbelievable rate. It is doing so for the most part because it is the best option out there for an affiliate program looking for a turnkey package and it has a real company behind it that offers real service and support. You can ALWAYS reach us by phone during business hours. That may sound silly but it's a rarity in the adult business.

NATS taking hold so quickly has some people in the business scared. With that comes hate and drama threads like we have here.

BlueQuartz · 12-18-2004, 09:10 PM

Lee MAY be annoying??

now THAT is funny!!

He is annoying as all fuck and does nothing but attract drama and then fuck off

u fucking suck lee - cock n all lol

bigdog · 12-18-2004, 09:23 PM

i think people are just scared of nats, what other company has taken over a sector of the adult internet market as quickly as nats has.

TMM_John · 12-18-2004, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by bigdog
i think people are just scared of nats, what other company has taken over a sector of the adult internet market as quickly as nats has.

Thanks. We really are good guys tho. (Probably the #1 reason we've grown so quickly).

We offer a quality product, great service, reasonable pricing, and we deliver what we promise. Sounds so basic, but it's always so rare.

Shoehorn! · 12-18-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Everyone has a different defination of "shaving".

Some people consider going into the database and zero'ing out everyone's sales "shaving". Is this possible with NATS? Yes. But not so easily and we make it as difficult as possible. You can always fuck with the database or rewrite your DNS every 20 minutes or something. Of course that's possible. That's not shaving using NATS. That's shaving around NATS.

I've answered this question a million times. We have never said it is IMPOSSIBLE to shave for a program running NATS. We have said that there is NO SHAVE FEATURE in NATS unlike some softwares out there who decided to make it as easy as possible. We have also taken a very strong stance against it in that any program we find trying to fuck with the #s behind the affiliates back will loose their liscense and be taken to court.

You can always fuck with things. It's the internet. It's the point of us making it as hard as possible instead of as easy as possible as some others have chosen in the past. And also our stance against it should we ever find someone trying to manipluate the software.

Again, I don't recall ever working with you, so if you're associated with one of our clients, who is it?

I don't know who you are and I don't know why you decided it was a great idea to bust my balls on a Saturday morning, but it's been noted.

gideongallery · 12-18-2004, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Not paying out on video sales is not _shaving_.

Shaving is the stealing of signups unknown to the affiliate.

No where does Atlas claim they pay out on video sales as far as I know and it is in plain view to anyone and everyone that they don't.

If they put a link on their site to Sports Illustrated subcriptions or who knows what it doesn't mean they need to pay you on it, that depends on how they run their program. If you don't like how they run their program you don't have to use it.

It's when it's done blindly and decivingly that it is shaving.

did you read my post at all

I specifically said "just make some of your links to the join without an affiliate passthru and you are shaving hits whenever a person clicks on that link "

The fact that tawnyroberts has a leaching link proves it can be done.

jacobt · 12-18-2004, 10:25 PM

This thread gave me a laugh. PBucksJohn you handle yourself really well, much better than I could in the face of such blatant bullshit, kudos

SureFire · 12-18-2004, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Again, of course. I've never made a claim otherwise. The only claims we've made is that NATS has no shave feature, that we have made it as hard as we know how to avoid and will continue to improve up on what we've already done, and should we ever find someone screwing with the numbers there will be consequences to face.

I never imagined in my life we'd be met with so much definace for trying to bring a little bit of integrity to the business.

Lee is annoying, he choose to single us out, most likely for the attention. He's on my shitlist and he'll stay there. There is a way to bring up a point and a way not to. He did it the childish way. I never shy away from a discussion about things. I'll debate the shaving thing and how to best prevent/avoid it all day long. Usually only good will come out of it. But when he starts a thread making false claims (i.e. he uses NATS) and looking to single us out, I have a problem with it.

As far as the modifying of things, you can do exactly the same thing with a CCBill only program (as serveral people have stated in this thread). People for years have said "you're safe with us since we use ccbill for our affiliate program". No one ever jumped on them for it.

NATS is a very powerful, very flexible software that is growing and taking hold at an unbelievable rate. It is doing so for the most part because it is the best option out there for an affiliate program looking for a turnkey package and it has a real company behind it that offers real service and support. You can ALWAYS reach us by phone during business hours. That may sound silly but it's a rarity in the adult business.

NATS taking hold so quickly has some people in the business scared. With that comes hate and drama threads like we have here.

Been following this thread and I will say besides you loosing it once, you seem to be very professional. It is tough being an affiliate knowing that sponsors may shave. Most of the time, the affiliate never knows if it was the scripting or actual abuse from their sponsor and just move on.

Seems like your program is trying to be honest and I admire this.

kmanrox · 12-18-2004, 11:01 PM

hehe i've always preached this too, but does anyone listen no?

it would take about 2 minutes of work to implement shaving...

ppl just don't get it.

colpanic · 12-18-2004, 11:54 PM

As an outsider to this bit (we don't run sites at all, or an affiliate program currently)..

I *was* under the distinct impression that NATS was the one program that shaving was somehow impossible on.

Not that it was exactly false advertising or anything like that, but talking to anyone who was a nats user you would think that it was written by the NSA.

Don't get me wrong NATS guys, I still think it's hella good marketing

(but boy, everybody sure is angry tonight!!)

pornguy · 12-19-2004, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuaShe
did you shave your balls today?

why do you want to know? are you into ball licking or something?

WWC · 12-19-2004, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pradaboy
I bet you could, it's all about trust not software options

Exactly....come visit the AdultLounge.com offices one day and see who your doing business with!

PHPdude · 12-19-2004, 12:37 AM

i like the way there is ppl talking about two different things, shaving software and shaving themself.

dig420 · 12-19-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Lee may be annoying, but he does have a point with this thread. Many webmasters are idiots when it comes to technology, and they don't understand that shaving can also be done outside of the tracking script. They need to know the truth

People could also buy a car, step out of it and bash their heads in on the fender. Is it Chrysler's responsibility to warn people of that hazard?

Anyone who doesn't understand that a company can avoid paying you on exit sales or links that don't track needs to be run out of the business. How is Nats supposed to control that? They offer a referral proggie with no built-in shave function. If they catch someone cheating they take away the software and sue them. What do you want them to do? Insist on control over every piece of HTML on their customer's sites? Hire a hitman to kill cheaters? What the fuck...

Funny how much shit they're getting for building a product about issues they have absolutely no control over.

As far as I can see, the whole beef here is that someone COULD, potentially, if they're unethical enough, fuck someone out of their traffic. SOMEHOW Nats hasn't figured out how to stop a webmaster from taking down their index page and putting up a banner farm. Duh. I would never have known something like that could ever happen if it hadn't been pointed to me in this thread.

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12-18-2004, 05:04 PM	#127
D-Money Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Player Del Ray Posts: 9,716	I love everyone. __________________ Still Ballin'

12-18-2004, 07:19 PM	#132
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	"False Advertising Any advertising which is misleading in any material respect is considered to be false advertising. An advertisement is considered misleading if it fails to disclose facts which are important in light of what is stated in the advertisement, or facts which are relevant in the light of the customary use of the product. The Federal Trademark Law gives consumers similar protections against false labeling, although it was mainly intended to protect businesses against unfair competition. By its terms, the law permits any person who believes he is or is likely to be damaged to bring a lawsuit against any false designation of the origin, false description or fake representation of goods or services in interstate commerce. Deceptive Business Practices" Bla bla bla... And then there is some more bla bla bla and bla... Some word of advice; keep the game fair and you will play for a long time. __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

12-18-2004, 03:33 PM	#101
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	So let us view just the facts here. NATS says that shaving is not build into the program. Other affiliate software does have it built in. NATS programmers have built the database in such a way that shaving is much more difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if it has checks in it to make sure the numbers are not changed, if they are, you lose your license? NATS says that if you are caught shaving around NATS system then you will lose your license (possibly also exposed here?). Lee is an attention whore.

12-18-2004, 09:01 PM	#136
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Lee may be annoying, but he does have a point with this thread. Many webmasters are idiots when it comes to technology, and they don't understand that shaving can also be done outside of the tracking script. They need to know the truth __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

12-18-2004, 09:10 PM	#138
BlueQuartz Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	Lee MAY be annoying?? now THAT is funny!! He is annoying as all fuck and does nothing but attract drama and then fuck off u fucking suck lee - cock n all lol

12-18-2004, 09:23 PM	#139
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i think people are just scared of nats, what other company has taken over a sector of the adult internet market as quickly as nats has.

12-18-2004, 10:25 PM	#143
jacobt Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 174	This thread gave me a laugh. PBucksJohn you handle yourself really well, much better than I could in the face of such blatant bullshit, kudos __________________ icq: 164577216 \| skype: jacobt2003

12-18-2004, 11:01 PM	#145
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	hehe i've always preached this too, but does anyone listen no? it would take about 2 minutes of work to implement shaving... ppl just don't get it. __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

12-18-2004, 11:54 PM	#146
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	As an outsider to this bit (we don't run sites at all, or an affiliate program currently).. I was under the distinct impression that NATS was the one program that shaving was somehow impossible on. Not that it was exactly false advertising or anything like that, but talking to anyone who was a nats user you would think that it was written by the NSA. Don't get me wrong NATS guys, I still think it's hella good marketing (but boy, everybody sure is angry tonight!!) __________________ I like ducks.

12-19-2004, 12:37 AM	#149
PHPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,164	i like the way there is ppl talking about two different things, shaving software and shaving themself. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.