German Censorship Agency Letter Received Re. Paysite tour

[Shark]

Has anyone else recieved on of these from BPjM ?

Basically it says that the spreading of pornographic content via the internet is a criminal offence under German jurisdiction.

Site tours are included unless an approved age verification system that can guarantee minors cannot access any content including advertising context are used.

Continuing violations will be punished by law under German jurisdiction and you have 14 days to defend against the charges (or remove the website or place an avs infront of the paysite tour). (the letter came registered)

I am not in Germany by the way and am hosted in the US.

[wes]

FCUK THE NAZIS!

[kmanrox]

they can try to censor my ass when im FUCKING THE HELL out of some Nazi prostitutes in GERMANY NEXT WEEK BEATCHES Hhaahaa

[polish_aristocrat]

and I still have no idea why they are doing it

[Lee]

Didnt Sleazydream post here about receiving one of these?

[sacX]

Have the smartened up yet and started sending english translations of those documents yet?

[Roald]

if you are not located/hosting in germany they can't do shit. But when you are you have to put up some age verification shit or something. Not sure though

[Shark]

Originally posted by Lee
Didnt Sleazydream post here about receiving one of these?

If only the search was working

[SGS]

Originally posted by Lee
Didnt Sleazydream post here about receiving one of these?

Yes a few months ago I think.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally posted by sacX
Have the smartened up yet and started sending english translations of those documents yet?

Do you know what do they want to acomplish with it?

[Shark]

Originally posted by sacX
Have the smartened up yet and started sending english translations of those documents yet?

I got a cover letter explaining the basics of who they are, what they do and what the process is.
Its also available online on their website. http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/Texte/General.htm

They also sent two documents German which seem to outline the offences.
It also says something about sites that are linking to your site are also offending by way of advertising indecent materials.

[Trax]

If I'd be you i'd throw it away.

If you ever plan on traveling to germany I would redirect all german traffic to an AVS page....

[Jensen]

got the same letter a couple of weeks ago...

[the Shemp]

dont visit Germany..

[freeadultcontent]

PS. Do not piss off ashat, he may extradite you claiming your wanted by the German police.

[johndoebob]

They're a bunch of ignorant fuckers who can't do shit and think the world must follow german laws.

[Shark]

Originally posted by Trax
If I'd be you i'd throw it away.

If you ever plan on traveling to germany I would redirect all german traffic to an AVS page....

Redirecting all German traffic to that particular site off to a bland restrcicted access doorway or a "sorry no Germans allowed page" sounds like the easiest solution to keep them happy.

[uchase/webpry]

Originally posted by Shark
I got a cover letter explaining the basics of who they are, what they do and what the process is.
Its also available online on their website. http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/Texte/General.htm

... yes, looks official, simply cut&paste the following text and you'll get it all sorted.


----------------------cut here-----------------
An meinem arsche haengt ein bollen,
so ihr in wollt,
koennt ihn euch hohlen.
----------------------cut here-----------------

[Shark]

Originally posted by the Shemp
dont visit Germany..

Yeah I think from now on another transit airport might be wiser
Ive been through Germany 3 times in the last year.

[uchase/webpry]

Originally posted by the Shemp
dont visit Germany..

I second that, many US people go behaeded recently. not a save place to visit at the moment, especially when you are american.

[Shoehorn!]

Cool. I am not in Germany, so I hope I get one. I'll frame it.

[johndoebob]

Originally posted by uchase/webpry
... yes, looks official, simply cut&paste the following text and you'll get it all sorted.


----------------------cut here-----------------
An meinem arsche haengt ein bollen,
so ihr in wollt,
koennt ihn euch hohlen.
----------------------cut here-----------------

[polish_aristocrat]

How about people from other EU countries that would get such letter?

[johndoebob]

Originally posted by Shark
Redirecting all German traffic to that particular site off to a bland restrcicted access doorway or a "sorry no Germans allowed page" sounds like the easiest solution to keep them happy.

Nah fuck that, so many well paying customers from germany.

[johndoebob]

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
How about people from other EU countries that would get such letter?

As long as it's legal in your country it doesn't matter, as long as you don't life in germany you won't get problems.

[WarChild]

Maybe Germany should think back to what happened last time they tried to force their ideals on the world. They're apparently aware of the failure of national Socialism, they even mention it on their own site:

2. In the area of the glorification of Nazi ideology and racial hatred


Propagation of Nazi ideology so as to be liable to have an undesirable influence on the moral development of young people is present,

- if the ideas of National Socialism, its racial teachings, its authoritarian dictator principle, its national indoctrination programme, its readiness to accept war and its conduct of warfare is canvassed;

- if the killing of millions of people, in particular the systematic extermination of Jewish people in the so-called Third Reich is denied;

- if the Nazi regime is intended to be enhanced in status and rehabilitated through falsified or incomplete information, in particular, if Adolf Hitler and his fellow Party members are portrayed as models (or tragic heroes).

[the Shemp]

and if you do go to Germany, dont mention WW2

[johndoebob]

WarChild it doesn't have anything to do with facism just with fanatic youth protectors that you'll find everywhere in the world.

And because those people don't know shit about the internet they try to enforce it worldwide and won't even write letters in english.Just a waste of taxpayers money...

[uchase/webpry]

Originally posted by WarChild
Maybe Germany should think back to what happened last time they tried to force their ideals on the world. They're apparently aware of the failure of national Socialism, they even mention it on their own site:

2. In the area of the glorification of Nazi ideology and racial hatred


Propagation of Nazi ideology so as to be liable to have an undesirable influence on the moral development of young people is present,

- if the ideas of National Socialism, its racial teachings, its authoritarian dictator principle, its national indoctrination programme, its readiness to accept war and its conduct of warfare is canvassed;

- if the killing of millions of people, in particular the systematic extermination of Jewish people in the so-called Third Reich is denied;

- if the Nazi regime is intended to be enhanced in status and rehabilitated through falsified or incomplete information, in particular, if Adolf Hitler and his fellow Party members are portrayed as models (or tragic heroes).

... why not just post the truth: germans eat american babies.

[johndoebob]

Originally posted by the Shemp
and if you do go to Germany, dont mention WW2

The infinite guiltiness, you can mention it anywhere and everybody will say oh I'm sorry even if he wasn't born then.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by johndoebob
WarChild it doesn't have anything to do with facism just with fanatic youth protectors that you'll find everywhere in the world.

And because those people don't know shit about the internet they try to enforce it worldwide and won't even write letters in english.Just a waste of taxpayers money...

Yeah I know .. I was just poking fun at them some more.

[uchase/webpry]

Originally posted by the Shemp
and if you do go to Germany, dont mention WW2

and:

- hairy armpits
- sauerkraut
- wembley66
- dieter bohlen

[the Shemp]

this crap never happened when Klink was in charge...

[uchase/webpry]

BRATZEN TARTUZEN BRATAPFEL KARWATZEN

[MaDalton]

you guys really crack me up - i bet you believe that all girls wear Dirndl and the guys leather trousers, right? And a hat with a Gamsbart.

[Joe Citizen]

[xclusive]

Don't worry about it and just frame it.

[Odin]

For those posting Nazi references it might be interesting to know that anything to do with Nazism (whether talk, books, historic artifacts, etc) is pretty much illegal in Germany too. Seemsmore appropriate to say Stalin left his mark when he took the East.

[HairToStay]

I'll be the dissenter here and say don't just dismiss it. Talk to an attorney. The fact you're transmitting your website to their country probably gives them some legal right.

I have this on all my warning pages .....

"I am an adult over the age of 21 and the viewing, reading, and/or downloading of images from this site do not violate the community standards of my locality, city, town, county, state, province, country or other community to which I belong "

So, someone in Germany reads that and it DOES violate the community standards of their country ....... legally, can Germany go after someone from another country?

I know Germany has extremely strict laws about what you can send via the mail. You can't send any material that is sexual, even r-rated, unless you send it to a registered business.

[MaDalton]

Originally posted by HairToStay
I'll be the dissenter here and say don't just dismiss it. Talk to an attorney. The fact you're transmitting your website to their country probably gives them some legal right.

I have this on all my warning pages .....

"I am an adult over the age of 21 and the viewing, reading, and/or downloading of images from this site do not violate the community standards of my locality, city, town, county, state, province, country or other community to which I belong "

So, someone in Germany reads that and it DOES violate the community standards of their country ....... legally, can Germany go after someone from another country?

I know Germany has extremely strict laws about what you can send via the mail. You can't send any material that is sexual, even r-rated, unless you send it to a registered business.

i don't think that anyone from Germany will go after someone from another country. If you are not a german, not hosting in Germany and not using .de domains nothing will happen. No one can tell you not to make websites in german language.

and such disclaimer you are using are not worth the webspace - they're bullshit. are you a german and living in Germany? than you have to follow the law and use an AVS (which is btw the biggest nonsense ever). If you are not living in Germany fuck the german laws.

[Tipsy]

You have to love the absurdity of it. It means there's an anal little man/woman in German government somewhere that genuinely believes actions like this will 'clean up the Internet' and make it a porn free zone for anyone without a credit card or who can prove they are 18.

Whatever drugs they are on to alter reality that much I want some!

[Stramm]

I got that letter as well a few weeks back.

- they don't say they go after you
- they have to send out these letters if someone complains about your website. That's their law
- If you don't follow their instructions they'll set you on some sort of blacklist --> then it isn't allowed for other germans to advertise or link to your site. That's all...

so you can just ignore the stuff and wait for the second letter to arrive (that they've put your domain on that blacklist). Needs ~6-8 weeks

I'm not sure what happens if you visit Germany. Usually they don't arrest you if it's just straight porn. If it's cp or beast then you get assraped

[slapass]

Originally posted by Trax
If I'd be you i'd throw it away.

If you ever plan on traveling to germany I would redirect all german traffic to an AVS page....

Simple and nice idea

[Shark]

Originally posted by Stramm
I got that letter as well a few weeks back.

- they don't say they go after you
- they have to send out these letters if someone complains about your website. That's their law
- If you don't follow their instructions they'll set you on some sort of blacklist --> then it isn't allowed for other germans to advertise or link to your site. That's all...

so you can just ignore the stuff and wait for the second letter to arrive

Yep, After reading over it a few times its clear that the site will be put in the index as the tour is not protected by an AVS and they will then send that second letter advising of this.
I dont think it can go further than that either but I'm sure the second letter will have more info and it does state that you can alter the website after recieving the 2nd letter to remove the "incriminating content" and then ask for the site to be removed from the index, so I dont see any trapdoors at this stage

[wyldblyss]

Originally posted by Stramm
I got that letter as well a few weeks back.

- they don't say they go after you
- they have to send out these letters if someone complains about your website. That's their law
- If you don't follow their instructions they'll set you on some sort of blacklist --> then it isn't allowed for other germans to advertise or link to your site. That's all...

so you can just ignore the stuff and wait for the second letter to arrive (that they've put your domain on that blacklist). Needs ~6-8 weeks

I'm not sure what happens if you visit Germany. Usually they don't arrest you if it's just straight porn. If it's cp or beast then you get assraped

Thanks for the info. I have not received one but when I do at least I will know what it is about

[Shark]

There is an interesting document relating to the findings of the first six months of this new regulation at http://europa.eu.int/comm/avpolicy/r...kshop_ring.pdf for anyone that is interested.

Their ideas of age verification are differing from those used in the US.

[Khun]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen

I would tell em to fuck off.

[http]

so typical german

[MagicJohn]

Just think about that about 70% of the German Webmasters have already left the country or have established a company abroard to do the services

And within my German lifetime, Yes I have recieved this stuff also, but I was forced to pay ?5.000 by the court

[Tom_PMs]

The fact you're transmitting your website to their country probably gives them some legal right.

Nobody's webserver "transmits" anything.. They merely Serve what is being Requested.

So tell em if they want to stamp out porn in Germany, to go door to door and tell their citizens to simply stop Requesting it.