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Old 09-21-2004, 03:01 PM   #1
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Fuck car sales men

Today me and my girl went lookin at cars
as she wants to get a new one

something 4 door sence we are having a kid... we went there knowing we where not going to walk out with one today as .. well it is just not possible at the moment we just wanted to know some numbers so we could budget one in ....

well we start look... we see the toyota matrix .. nice car really ... we decided to find out what it would cost us sence i dont have 17k to pay out right in cash for it ... so the dude goes in .. we do paper work ... comes out to like 400$ a month and 5k down ... we are like okay .. then this asshole of the month prick mother fucker comes out and is like " well with your budget ill sell you a focus " .. wtf NO ... he then says .. well only a focus that is a manual ..... the guy starts going off telling us what we can and cant have and how it would fit our budget and being a total prick .. the faggit ends up making my girl cry and she is 12 weeks from poppin this baby out and she starts getting crazy pains in her stomach cuz of the stress asshole of th emonth caused


well im done with my rant


FUCK CAR SALES MEN

they onyl care about the people who can walk in and pay 80 grand in cash


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That's really lame. I'm crying for you on the inside. Hope you can get the Toyota (or a Nissan).
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That's really lame. I'm crying for you on the inside. Hope you can get the Toyota (or a Nissan).
if we do it wont be from that car lot ... fuckers
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mabey goto vancouver, portland, etc to buy a new car.

So many dealers want your business, you might save some coin and hassles..
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haha how ironic, Toyota calls me today to see why I haven't returned to the dealership to close the deal, I toldhim I didn't like the sellers face and attitude,he was swearing at me, like I won't fucing lie to you, i'm sorry i'm swearing, but I'm talking to you like afriend, so I was like I treat my friends with respect, and they do the same, I wanted to buy a car from a salesman, not some old fart with a midlife crisis, and then I told him I might go to the laval dealership and order it there.

Morons.
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mabey goto vancouver, portland, etc to buy a new car.

So many dealers want your business, you might save some coin and hassles..
yeah we went over to astoria today to look ... was so stressfull tryin to calm her down ... we are lookin at autotrader.com right now in that area
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Thats fucked up, but the car market really is a cutthroat business and I'm sure you'll be able to find a place that will be able to give you a better price and treat you right.
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haha how ironic, Toyota calls me today to see why I haven't returned to the dealership to close the deal, I toldhim I didn't like the sellers face and attitude,he was swearing at me, like I won't fucing lie to you, i'm sorry i'm swearing, but I'm talking to you like afriend, so I was like I treat my friends with respect, and they do the same, I wanted to buy a car from a salesman, not some old fart with a midlife crisis, and then I told him I might go to the laval dealership and order it there.

Morons.
... and the fucker was smoking too ... a damn chain smoker
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haha how ironic, Toyota calls me today to see why I haven't returned to the dealership to close the deal, I toldhim I didn't like the sellers face and attitude,he was swearing at me, like I won't fucing lie to you, i'm sorry i'm swearing, but I'm talking to you like afriend, so I was like I treat my friends with respect, and they do the same, I wanted to buy a car from a salesman, not some old fart with a midlife crisis, and then I told him I might go to the laval dealership and order it there.

Morons.
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The only time you should enter a dealership is to test drive the car or sign the paper work.

Send an email to every dealer in your area that has the car you want (most have their inventory online). Tell them you want the drive out price, tags, taxes - EVERYTHING on a specific car or if they don't have an online inventory, tell them what you want and tell them you want the drive out price info to include the model, color and options. Pick the best price for the car you want.

Then go to your bank and take out a loan for that amount of money and get a sight draft to take to the dealer.

IF the dealer can offer you a better loan, then check it out but do this independently on the price you pay for the car.

Don't get addons like rust or weather proofing. If you're borrowing more than 80% of the value of the car, it's best to get Gap Insurance. If there's interest on the car, pay for this separately.

And don't trade a car in - sell it on your own

Car salesman are there to sell you a car at the highest possible price. They are not your friend and if you end up with a car you can't afford, they couldn't care less. But they are business people and if you're serious about buying a car, get the price before you walk in and if they try to change it, walk back out again
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The only time you should enter a dealership is to test drive the car or sign the paper work.

Send an email to every dealer in your area that has the car you want (most have their inventory online). Tell them you want the drive out price, tags, taxes - EVERYTHING on a specific car or if they don't have an online inventory, tell them what you want and tell them you want the drive out price info to include the model, color and options. Pick the best price for the car you want.

Then go to your bank and take out a loan for that amount of money and get a sight draft to take to the dealer.

IF the dealer can offer you a better loan, then check it out but do this independently on the price you pay for the car.

Don't get addons like rust or weather proofing. If you're borrowing more than 80% of the value of the car, it's best to get Gap Insurance. If there's interest on the car, pay for this separately.

And don't trade a car in - sell it on your own

Car salesman are there to sell you a car at the highest possible price. They are not your friend and if you end up with a car you can't afford, they couldn't care less. But they are business people and if you're serious about buying a car, get the price before you walk in and if they try to change it, walk back out again
that is how we have our car now ... exactly what we did

Found it online ... got a small loan from the bank to pay for some of the car and paid the rest off our selfs .... and went and picked it up in Tigard Oregon the next day

didnt even ONCE have to listen to the dealer try to sell me the car
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The only time you should enter a dealership is to test drive the car or sign the paper work.

Send an email to every dealer in your area that has the car you want (most have their inventory online). Tell them you want the drive out price, tags, taxes - EVERYTHING on a specific car or if they don't have an online inventory, tell them what you want and tell them you want the drive out price info to include the model, color and options. Pick the best price for the car you want.

Then go to your bank and take out a loan for that amount of money and get a sight draft to take to the dealer.

IF the dealer can offer you a better loan, then check it out but do this independently on the price you pay for the car.

Don't get addons like rust or weather proofing. If you're borrowing more than 80% of the value of the car, it's best to get Gap Insurance. If there's interest on the car, pay for this separately.

And don't trade a car in - sell it on your own

Car salesman are there to sell you a car at the highest possible price. They are not your friend and if you end up with a car you can't afford, they couldn't care less. But they are business people and if you're serious about buying a car, get the price before you walk in and if they try to change it, walk back out again
Asking them to email you a price isn't going to get the best deal. It's going to get the best up front deal. You can still knock off thousands of $$$ by talking shit face to face.

Never step foot in a car dealership without some game. Period.
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they onyl care about the people who can walk in and pay 80 grand in cash


let me correct you they are all assholes one by one regardless of how much money, sometimes you find out after the purchase thou

sorry to hear thou
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Prices on their cars are set that way so they have plenty of room to bargain with, and still make a profit, if it comes to that. People that pay the price the dealers quote them are getting ripped off, plain and simple. Always, ALWAYS haggle, you will save thousands.

For example when I was looking at getting an RSX, the price they quoted me was something around 27,000. I ended up haggling them down to 23,000, with more options than the original car.

Oh, and I wouldn't advise getting a loan from a dealership - they will try their hardest to get you to finance, though, because they get a percentage of the interest rate. Sometimes a very LARGE percentage as well.
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Boy your stupid eh? If a salesman isn't treating you how you want... you fucking walk away and take your money with you, that is the only way to operate.

Also for the most part the probably don't care if you can pay cash, dealerships make money in some crazy ways.
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Boy your stupid eh? If a salesman isn't treating you how you want... you fucking walk away and take your money with you, that is the only way to operate.

Also for the most part the probably don't care if you can pay cash, dealerships make money in some crazy ways.
... We did walk away ???? but still doestn change the fact that he is an asshat
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Boy your stupid eh? If a salesman isn't treating you how you want... you fucking walk away and take your money with you, that is the only way to operate.

Also for the most part the probably don't care if you can pay cash, dealerships make money in some crazy ways.
Yup, alot of the dealerships have their own banks (Honda, for example) that will approve almost anyone for a loan, and dealers get percentage commissions by convincing you to finance through their banks. Total ripoff.
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... We did walk away ???? but still doestn change the fact that he is an asshat
Complain to the dealership. This guy sounds like a grade-A asshole, I would have gotten him fired. Make sure to mention that you're also writing letters to Toyota's Quality Assurance department

More than likely, a guy like this has had complaints before, and if this had happened to me, I'd take great pleasure in getting him fired. But maybe I'm just a little bit of an asshole like that, too.
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Or, as a more affordable alternative, a Volvo, Saab, or Subaru would do the job as well. All great, safe, reliable cars.
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Asking them to email you a price isn't going to get the best deal. It's going to get the best up front deal. You can still knock off thousands of $$$ by talking shit face to face.

Never step foot in a car dealership without some game. Period.
I ask them to give me their best deal period. I emailed approximately 40 different dealerships in 3 different states on my last 2 purchases (bought them both at the same time). The best price was about $100 less per car and was in Tennessee and a dealership 30 miles away was the next best. I took the next best for convenience

Could I have haggled and saved a few extra? I doubt but even if I could, it wasn't worth the time for me. I had watched what these cars were selling for by talking to people who actually bought them at edmunds.com so I know I got a good deal that was fair to me and the salesperson got a decent comission. We were both happy
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Complain to the dealership. This guy sounds like a grade-A asshole, I would have gotten him fired. Make sure to mention that you're also writing letters to Toyota's Quality Assurance department

More than likely, a guy like this has had complaints before, and if this had happened to me, I'd take great pleasure in getting him fired. But maybe I'm just a little bit of an asshole like that, too.
That works as well as complaining to a sponsor about a spammer, especially if the salesmen is good.
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dude if a car salesman made my girl cry i'd fucking whoop the god damn shit outta him. or at least come very close to it.
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That works as well as complaining to a sponsor about a spammer, especially if the salesmen is good.
naw we pulled around back and was waiting for her mom to get back from test driving cars and i went in and talked to one of the other guys that was with us and the guy is new and is walking on thin ice .. some of the things he said .. simply amazes me .... i doubt he will be there much longer


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I ask them to give me their best deal period. I emailed approximately 40 different dealerships in 3 different states on my last 2 purchases (bought them both at the same time). The best price was about $100 less per car and was in Tennessee and a dealership 30 miles away was the next best. I took the next best for convenience

Could I have haggled and saved a few extra? I doubt but even if I could, it wasn't worth the time for me. I had watched what these cars were selling for by talking to people who actually bought them at edmunds.com so I know I got a good deal that was fair to me and the salesperson got a decent comission. We were both happy
Its not worth an hour of your time to save thousands?
On my last car, for example, the dealership was asking 23,000 and we got them down to 17,900.

There's plenty of little tricks to use. For example, let them believe you are going to finance through their bank (which will earn them extra commission, so they will lower the price of the car), then after they quote you the lowest price you can get, tell them you will be paying in cash.

Also, its good to always have someone there with you thats constantly trying to talk you out of the deal, in front of the dealer. For example, bring a friend thats gonna talk about how great his new Subaru is, and how you should get one of them instead. Or how he liked the BMW you test drove at the last dealership. Always keep the dealer on his toes. Even if they know exactly what you're doing, they are greedy and many would rather drop the price and get a low commission than none at all.

Who cares if you're both happy, and he gets a good commission? The guy isn't your friend, and his purpose is to screw you over as much as possible. Im only happy when I get his commission as low as possible.
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dude if a car salesman made my girl cry i'd fucking whoop the god damn shit outta him. or at least come very close to it.
was damn close but we have a kid on the way and it aint worth it ...
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naw we pulled around back and was waiting for her mom to get back from test driving cars and i went in and talked to one of the other guys that was with us and the guy is new and is walking on thin ice .. some of the things he said .. simply amazes me .... i doubt he will be there much longer


you fell, hook line and sinker. Kept you content that his boss was watching him, you dont complain to anyone further up the chain and the salesmen has sold 4 more cars since you left the dealer.
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That works as well as complaining to a sponsor about a spammer, especially if the salesmen is good.
Apples and oranges. Lots of business to dealerships comes from word of mouth, and if they start getting complaints, they know people are going to be telling their friends the same things as well.
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mabey goto vancouver, portland, etc to buy a new car.

So many dealers want your business, you might save some coin and hassles..
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Apples and oranges. Lots of business to dealerships comes from word of mouth, and if they start getting complaints, they know people are going to be telling their friends the same things as well.
and there is 45 more consumers walkin in the door. Car salesmen are notoriously ruthless, everyone seems shocked. Know wtf your looking for and let the salesmen pitch go in 1 ear and out the other. Its the people who are clueless that get reamed
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car salesman are worse than timeshare salesman..Can't stand them myself and let them know it when I walk on the lot...fucking third party talking mother fuckers.
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Its not worth an hour of your time to save thousands?
I already knew what these cars were being sold for by what other people were paying I actually DID save thousands by buying it where I did and not buying from most of the other places.

I MIGHT have been able to get them down another $100-200 per car but no, that's not worth my time

I've been buying cars this way for years (via phone or fax before the internet) and so far even after the sale I've realized I've always gotten a good deal

My favorite was my Pathfinder I bought on 12/31 at 3 PM. When I emailed that guy, he gave me a price I KNEW wasn't going to be the same once I got there. But he needed one more car to bump him up to the next level in sales and win all kinds of crap. I sold that car 3 years later for about 18% less than what I paid for it.

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i think are car salesmen are assclowns. Sounds like he's lucky he didn't get his ass kicked
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Old 09-21-2004, 04:45 PM   #39
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Investigate on-line and only go to dealership to test drive. Thats how I bought my last two cars. Told them on-line exactly what I wanted and how much I would pay.
It is much easier to do this with amercian cars, with the bmw they told me what it would cost and the waiting list.
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Old 09-22-2004, 02:52 AM   #40
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thanks for sharing your story man! that's disgusting!
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Old 09-22-2004, 02:59 AM   #41
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:13 AM   #42
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Today me and my girl went lookin at cars
as she wants to get a new one

something 4 door sence we are having a kid... we went there knowing we where not going to walk out with one today as .. well it is just not possible at the moment we just wanted to know some numbers so we could budget one in ....

well we start look... we see the toyota matrix .. nice car really ... we decided to find out what it would cost us sence i dont have 17k to pay out right in cash for it ... so the dude goes in .. we do paper work ... comes out to like 400$ a month and 5k down ... we are like okay .. then this asshole of the month prick mother fucker comes out and is like " well with your budget ill sell you a focus " .. wtf NO ... he then says .. well only a focus that is a manual ..... the guy starts going off telling us what we can and cant have and how it would fit our budget and being a total prick .. the faggit ends up making my girl cry and she is 12 weeks from poppin this baby out and she starts getting crazy pains in her stomach cuz of the stress asshole of th emonth caused


well im done with my rant


FUCK CAR SALES MEN

they onyl care about the people who can walk in and pay 80 grand in cash


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1. ALWAYS pay cash for a car, NEVER get yourself a car payment.

2. He's covering his ass, because he doesn't believe your budget can cover what you want and the last thing he wants to deal with is a loan default, reposession, collections, etc.

3. Grab the prick by the neck (figuratively) and offer him a really insulting price. Say $10K for a $15K car, he'll listen if you have cash in your hand and are waving it in front of his face (literally). Don't say anything, just wave the cash around, because the next person that talks loses and people get really emotional when they see cash. You won't get it for $10K, but you'll probably get it for 11 or $12K.
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Fuck the middle man, head straight to the manager... If he treats you like shiet, head to the next one.
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Sorry to hear that man hope your girl and baby are alright, I would go into that dealership go to the boss and tell him you almost lost the baby because of this and you are going to let the news know... I bet you get a hell of deal...
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:49 AM   #45
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Weird that they didnt want your business. It's impossible to walk into a dealership here and not be approached within 30 seconds.
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ask rick latona about car salesmen ;)
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:54 AM   #47
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Fuck the middle man, head straight to the manager... If he treats you like shiet, head to the next one.
You don't know shit, they are all scumbags!!! Be got to being a manager for a reason and it's not just by pretending to be nice to the customers.

The only way your going to get a good deal on a car is through a broker. If it's a hot car that's on a waiting list, your going to pay MSRP 95% of the time. Maybe he will knock off a few hundred but that's it.

PS If your looking for a better deal, go for a lady salesman and tell your little story about you starting your little family and this is why you need the car.
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