The_Joe

ok, here is the scheme:

i got account from DamCash.

at one moment, I received money from my friend. After a while, i sent them to my another friend.

Two days later all accounts of DamCash was closed. My also was closed. And also two accounts of my friends were closed. Can you imagine, what situation is it? It seems like at least 2 innocent people got their accounts closed just in case you decided to close all DamCash accounts. What did they do? They do not connected with DamCash anyway.

And btw what is my fault? If one of DamCash users did something wrong, why did you close me? Why did you close my friends, who are still closed and who lost money?

supermack

hey, Im not saying that there arent some fruadsters on this board and in this thread. But I am NOT.

I am a US webmaster.

I opened my account with $50.

On my very first activity, payment....from damcash, I recieved an email from epassporte, notifying me that my account was frozen becuase, your "extremly rude" customer service told me.....


damcash paid me with money they recieved from fraudulent means.

Then, Rand publicly posted, on GFY, that there wasnt anything wrong with damcash and that it was likely some misunderstanding.

I told myself, fuck it.. Its not worth the hassle.

Then I return today, and see the topic come up again.

No one wants to publicy come out and comment on what goes on with specific accounts. Fine. For someone having a "third grade intelligence, of which, you said that I had) I can understand not publicly commenting on specific accounts, especially if a fraud investigation or other criminal investigation is going on.

For one thing, you do seem to be on a roll, trying to insinuate, that people that are having a problem with the epassporte system, are stupid.

One of the questions, you seem to not be answering, is the question of....

what happens to the money, that was on the account, before damcash deposited funds? Yes, Im talking about the meesly $50. What, I got to have a shitload of cash to be treated fairly?

You say its returned, but my card is still frozen.

Your a third party billing system. If by freezing my account, puts me on ANY terminated merchants list, then you will be hearing from a lawyer.

The_Joe

My situation is stranger..
I didn't receive damcash money! I'm not in this chain!
I just received ONE payment from my friend who is not a fraudster. Then I transfered this money to my another friend. And my both friends was closed because of "doing business with fraud account" - which is mine.

What fraud is? Opening it with DamCash is a fraud? I didn't get any DamCash money there. What is the fraud for me?

Unblock my friends accounts at least. They are totally innocent, they losing money. They do not connected with DamCash anyway.

supermack

thats another point I was trying to make.

this is the approach ive been feeling from them, since day one of contacting customer service.

If they would have fixed it then, and been honest and helpful to me from the start. I wouldnt be so pissed off about it.

SmokeyTheBear

HUH ? wtf thread are you reading ? most of the legit ccomplaints i have heard in this thread have been users of gfy for close to a year, hardly unheard of.

And what does having a gfy rep have to do with answering simple questions about the service.. or explaining to the webmasters above who have had funds seized why/where the funds are seized.

The service is geared towards webmasters, yet they dont respond like webmasters, they respond like at&t operators or chain-letter writers.

Like heres a suitable response..

Dear guilty webmaster,

Your a thief fuck off we returned the stolen money your fucked.

love epassporte.

or

Dear innocent webmaster,

Sorry we fucked you over, we will fix things right now so as this porblem does not occur again.

love epassporte

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DamageX

Alright, I'm gonna side with Smokey on this one and demand an answer to his question.

I have a few grand in my account and I charge fellow webmasters for services I provide to them. The number of transactions I do are constantly increasing and I deal with people from all over the world. If I were to receive a fraudulent payment for say $500 and you'd freeze my account and return the $500 to its rightful owner, what would happen to the rest of my money? I want a straight-up answer to this one, otherwise I will seriously consider relocating my funds to a safer account.

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DamageX

don't worry
they will just close your acount with all money on it.

as they did with my friends.

DamageX

This is EXACTLY what worries me. This and the fact that they're side-stepping the question.

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Nautilus

Makes you wonder why is it so hard to anwser a simple question...

Really, where the rest of the money's going to? If there was a fraudulent transaction OK charge it back as all other cc issuers do.

But seizing all the money at all accounts right down to the end of the chain wtf. No one's safe if that's true.

The_Joe

that's true. Two innocent people was closed for nothing with all their money just because they did business with my account opened for me by DamCash who are fraudsters, and got closed all accounts for this (by the words of epass).

so you see, the chain is:
Epass closed DamCash, than me (just for beeing their affiliate), and two more people with whom i had business.

SpeakEasy

You are a complete troll Try learning how to read before you open your mouth and spew out nonsense

Michael O

Chris understand my concern I´ve been a strong supporter of Epassporte since you guys started out cause its a perfect way for me to recieve my payments from my sponsors.
I suggested it to ARS and keeped bugging them about it untill they added it as a payout option. from May last year and untill Rand started appearing on the boards I ran around on every board where there were asked a question about epassporte and answered it the best way I could cause no one else did.
Yes I picked up some referrals to sponsor programs and made a little money from it myself. I was among those that begged sponsors to add epassporte payouts a year ago and I am very happy to see that most sponsors pay via epassporte now.

I understand you have to have a strict fraud control but I have to say I am offended by the way KimmyKim is talking to some people in this thread when they ask for an answer to a question that hasn´t been answered despite it have been asked several times. I really would like an answer to this question that have been asked over and over again but haven´t recieved a reply yet.

If I receive money from [email protected] and you then close his account what will happen to my account?
Will you return the transaction and notify me? or will you suspend my account aswell?

This is a question that really concerns me cause I depend on Epassporte when I pay my hosting and I recieve all but one sponsor payments to my epassporte accounts.

For more than a year I´ve had a little page that listed sponsors that pays out via epassporte making me a little extra referring anywhere from 0-35 new webmasters to the programs that are listed. I had Damcash on there for a short time and luckily I didn´t recieve payments from them. I have 80+ sponsors listed that pays out via epassporte cause I wanted it to be a complete list of every one that offers epassporte payouts. I would hate to shut it down since it makes a little extra but I really can´t afford the risk of my accounts being shut down because one of them are fraudulent.
I can see from KimmyKims answers in this thread that if you recieve a payment from a fraudulent sponsor its just to bad and that I should have picked someone else. So what should I do? Shut down the page? I know I send a lot of adult webmaster business your way in the past 15 months but this really has me concerned.

I can´t run the risk of having my account closed down because someone that send me money or I send money to is a fraud. I understand that the money needs to be returned but not if you suspended my account.

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SmokeyTheBear

from the response kimmykim gave it seems you should have known better than to sign up with an unknown sponsor like damacash. Or come from a country like RUSSIA.

The fact that they keep side-stepping such a simple question is very strange to say the least. The fact they are side-stepping what happens to seized funds doesn't suprise me and is also very strange indeed.

Especially as noted above thatone cannot approve or dissaprove epassporte payments from peer-to-peer. So there is no way of STOPPING a fraud user from sending you money , even if you declined a transaction on your end this doesn't stop them from sending you money ( and thus associating your account with a fraud account and thus having your money seized )

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SpeakEasy

Great post, but I don't expect an answer from the useless epassporte spammers. When they launched and needed members, or when they spam the boards for new members they are all over the boards spewing their crap, but when their accountability is in question (regarding important issues here) all you will get is side stepping and useless replies if any from them. epassporte is proving to be a very unprofessional, as well as untrustworthy company to do business with.

KCat

I think I'm the only one who actually read this thread!

Account A commits fraud using stolen credit card numbers. He passes money onto his "friend" - Account B. Account B passes the money on to another "friend" - Account C. All accounts are closed until the situation is resolved & the money is returned to the rightful owner, the original cc.

It's not rocket science. Whether Account C is in on the scam or not, they're all scammers.

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The_Joe

KCat, if you samples is about me, than i want to tell, that my account was closed not of stolen CC reason..

it was closed because of DamCash. It was said all over the thread, that epass closed all DamCash affiliators. What stolen cc?

It is another situation... they closed me because I'm affiliate of DamCash and closed all accounts which had business with me..

I do not see any "fraud" reason here.

Please, if you don't know the situation, do not post something like this, offending people and calling them fraudsters.

DamageX

Are you REALLY as stupid as you try hard to make yourself look?

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Nautilus

Fucking unbelievable.

They should have offered you a job in their customers service. You qualify.

spacemonk

Very interesting read, I must say.

So DamCash might have been doing something illegal and ePassporte has every right to freeze their account if they have a reason to suspect fraud.

The part that worries all of us here is what looks like a systematic avoidance of answering a simple question that smokey da bear and a few other people here asked.

I like epassporte and use it almost on a daily basis.
I also think that epoch/paycom is a stand up business, however this kind of stuff makes people worry.

I symphatise with all the epassporte peeps that posted here, and can only imagine what pain in the ass dealing with fraudulent individuals/companies on a daily basis must be.

I can also imagine how it must feel to be called out by the same people on public boards and having to explain why this and that had to be done.

However, a lot of people that posted in this thread are honest and legit customers of yours and I think they should be given straight answers despite the frustration some other people caused you here. You are professionals and there is no place for personal feelings here ;)

Smokey rephrased and even further simplified a very simple question over 4 times, yet the question remains unanswered...

So let me join smokey, freeadultcontent and others on this one:



If i have $1000 in my account that are 100% clean,
and If someone sends $50 of stolen money to that account then
those $50 will be reversed and i will get my legit $1000 back?

Yes

or

No

Thank you

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DamageX

And if yes, then HOW FAST? If it's any of the 180 days bullshit PayPal is pulling, then it's unacceptable.

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SureFire

Intersting...

I must have 1st grade reading level, from what I gather from this thread if you use Epassporte have every sponsor set up a new account for you or you might be penalize for a dealing with a sponsor that you are unaware of any fraudulent activities. And, your account is frozen/cancelled until *risk management* returns the money to the rightful owner and all your money in the account is frozen too.

Doesn?t make sense to me that a *bank/visa company* has so much control over ones money. JMO.

SmokeyTheBear

You have had a recent lobotmy right ???


YOU ARE ACCOUNT C YOU DUMB FUCK.

It doesn't matter if your in on the scam or not , DO YOU GET IT according to your warped theory of banking everyone is a scammer. !!

I just think as far as webmasters go we are asking for a no-bullshit response in real terms not endless drivel about how epassporte have 200000 account and 200 of them are scammers and they are all on here bitching you out, instead of answering a simple question that has been repeated and re-repeated about 50 times so far without a response ( this is by current webmasters not involved with damacash or anything else ).

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DarkLord

perhaps sponsors should make better choices in payment systems. thanks for your opinion Kimmykim, but we know which sponsors to choose.
just my

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SmokeyTheBear

Exactly.

epassporte response was above and they stated that you should know better than to recieve money from untrusted people. furthermore if you want a list of users that kimmykim "thinks" might not defraud you eventually you can email her .. but even with this list you might still have your account frozen. * gee now i trust you *

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The_Joe

not only your account will be closed with all money, but all your partners also.

so, they all will think you are fraudster.

when you will call them by phone - they will be very rude with and never explain the true.

this is my situation

all my fault is (by the words of epassporte) - opening account with damcash.

all they can say "haha" and offend people without any proves...

DamageX

I almost missed this one, until someone else quoted you. Please KimmyKim, tell me you're not as brainless as the above makes you look. How dare YOU tell ME whom I should work for and receive payment from? Who are you, the fucking government?!?! If my bank told me that I should be careful whom I receive payment for my work from, I'd go apeshit!

So please, brush up on your people's skills, apologize for the above remark and let's get back to answering some questions here.

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SmokeyTheBear

did you catch the one word post she made entitled "russians" lol talk about customer service..

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xxxdesign-net

Just to be clear here... if I have an epassport account... and receiving money from different sponsors.. one of them has been labeled as fraudulent and sent me a payment... What will you do? Cancel their payment..? Or kill my account (making me lose all my money)?

Phil

Oh, so this is what it?s all about. Well sister, as Russian living abroad I give you huge fuck you

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Phil

and that is why you shut down all accounts down the line.
so let me get it straight.
Someone robs a kid down the street and passes and buys a hot dog from me. I take that money and use it to by food. Later cops nab the thief and he tells them what he did with money?. Cops arrest all three of us including KFC employee that sold me some chiken?

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SmokeyTheBear

kentucky fried chicken is pretty shady man , they might even be involved with russians too.

i asked that question she pointed me to the rico act ( an act she must not have read )

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KCat

Sorry, but KimmyKim's reputation in this industry is impeccable. If she says the accounts were shut down for fraud, I trust her.

As far as whether you're in on the scam or not, I DO GET IT. If I buy a laptop out of the classifieds (C) that somebody else bought from a friend (B) who originally stole it (A), it's still hot. Account C still loses if the cops come knockin', right?


Has anybody had their account closed & funds not returned that weren't associated with Dam Cash or transferred from/to a "friend"?

None of these accounts seem to have payments from any other sponsors.

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DamageX

Yeah, I caught it. I thought it would be below me to even comment on it. After all, she can't be that stupid as to not realize that she really stepped in it, can she?

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DamageX

When you look up "stupid" in the dictionary, does it have a picture of you next to the explanation?

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cool1g

DamageX - after slowly reading this thread it appears that you would get all your $ back except the fraudlent funds, if that were to happen to you. the real question is how long the process would take - i imagine it wouldn't be quick...

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Bezruk

Do you read complete thread?

I write what my account opened by GammaCash and i work with GammaCash and get money from GammaCash.

SmokeyTheBear

do you have 3/4 of the people on ignore in this thread or do you have a problem reading.

SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE already stated they had funds seized without any knowledge of any of this nonsense.

No i dont have anything to do with any of the people in this thread nor do i have any problem with epassporte other than the inability to answer simple questions..

In your laptop example above you forgot a few things..
A) Epassporte are not cops
B) they are not just seizing the laptop but all the other money the poor guy who bought the laptop has
C) there are ways to dicern if a laptop is stolen to minimize your risk when buying such an item. epassporte has not offered ANY reasonable way to minimize risk other than to email kimmykim of people she trusts but still no guarantee she wont take your money..

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SmokeyTheBear

actually it appears several people in this thread are in this boat and dont have access to the money in the account that wasn't involved in damcash payments. So nobody has actually got money back from epassporte yet. On the contrary everyone so far has not recieved money nor an explanation.

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DamageX

Where did you find that info? I need it written in clear, I don't wanna have to read between the lines so that I could find what APPEARS to be the answer. This is MY money we're talking about, and I'm sure yours and a lot of others' as well.

I mean, OK, KimmyKim may not be a people's person, I can respect that. But surely she must be capable of giving a simple answer to what is a very simple question?

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supermack

Me.

and how in the fuck can i receive payments from any other sponsors, if my account is frozen?

Im not russian. I just happened to signup for epassporte, and damcash was the first payment i received.

I had planned on using it alot. I know triplexcash pays out in epassporte, and I was going to add them and others....

Thank god i didnt have all those people start to send me money to.

Phil

Holly shit,
You do know that there is a difference between ?Physical objects? and ?monetary?. If the world worked the way you see it president Bush would have been arrested 10 thousand times? God?.. for once I believe in justifying late term abortions?

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uchase/webpry

I have an epassport account with $25 in it and never ever had any problems with them. on the other hand, I have never ever logged into my account nor had any payments coming in.

Nautilus

Account C looses his laptop ONLY. He does not get dispossessed of ALL his properties.

The question that has been repeatedly asked here is what will happen to your LEGIT money that remained in your account after the fraudulent transaction was refunded. Will they be returned to you, and if yes how fast.

Is it really that hard to understand?

And yes, funds from other sponsors were involved with the damcash accounts, read the thread after all.

digifan

My thoughts exactly...

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KCat

Hey! Somebody replied without insulting me. Thanks!

I absolutely agree. Any legit money from other sponsors etc. should be returned to you after allowing a reasonable period of time to investigate the fraud.

Everyone seems to be jumping to the conclusion that this isn't the case.

KK said she was gone for the night. I know it's easy for me to say chill out & wait for an official response when it's not my money on the line, but...chill out! Or email her directly:

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quiet

i don't think you'll be getting any more reponses from anyone over at ePassporte in this thread.

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Congrats your an idiot.

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DamageX

As long as they are avoiding to answer, this ISN'T the case. I am a customer of theirs, the question has been asked by several customers of theirs before I asked it and before KimmyKim decided having fun was more important than addressing the issue at hand. Stop siding with them for a second and try looking at it from our point of view.

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DamageX

Good point. Let's start another then.

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