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NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 05:23 PM

Yes, this is my first content sale... and I need to ask a question.

What documents do I need to send with the content besides the CD of images of course, the model release form and dl photocopy....

Do I also need to send a copy of the 2257? or anything else too?

Thanks

billywatson · 06-07-2004, 05:55 PM

You don't want to send a model release...I sure wouldn't. You OWN that content...unless you shot an exclusive scene for someone as a job...

As far as "2257 documents" all you need are digi files of their
1) government issued ID
2) their secondary ID

So, content and pics of ID's...that should be it!

Congrats on your sale!

NemesisEnforcer · 06-07-2004, 05:57 PM

You should send the license agreement that oulines usage and restrictions, if any.

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Yes, this is my first content sale... and I need to ask a question.

What documents do I need to send with the content besides the CD of images of course, the model release form and dl photocopy....

Do I also need to send a copy of the 2257? or anything else too?

Thanks

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 06:06 PM

Thanks... much appreciated

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by billywatson
You don't want to send a model release...I sure wouldn't. You OWN that content...unless you shot an exclusive scene for someone as a job...

As far as "2257 documents" all you need are digi files of their
1) government issued ID
2) their secondary ID

So, content and pics of ID's...that should be it!

Congrats on your sale!

What about paper copies of the ID's? Made photo copies of them and not pics.... ( yea... I am a newbie lol)

hostey_com · 06-07-2004, 08:01 PM

NBDesign, nice thread. I've been thinking about start selling content but first I need to know what type of equipment you're using... and can you reach me thru icq? Thank you.

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by hostey_com
NBDesign, nice thread. I've been thinking about start selling content but first I need to know what type of equipment you're using... and can you reach me thru icq? Thank you.

Still real new to content... but sure... I will help you the best I can.

ModelPerfect · 06-07-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Yes, this is my first content sale... and I need to ask a question.

What documents do I need to send with the content besides the CD of images of course, the model release form and dl photocopy....

Do I also need to send a copy of the 2257? or anything else too?

Thanks

You don't absolutely *have* to send anything, depending on who's going to be the custodian of records, but I wouldn't buy content without getting copes of the ids, model release(s), and an original, executed license to use the content. So that should tell you what you *should* supply.

ModelPerfect · 06-07-2004, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by billywatson
You don't want to send a model release...I sure wouldn't. You OWN that content...unless you shot an exclusive scene for someone as a job...

As far as "2257 documents" all you need are digi files of their
1) government issued ID
2) their secondary ID

So, content and pics of ID's...that should be it!

Congrats on your sale!

While I understand your position, I would send the model release or at least make it available upon request, because the publication license can only be as strong as the release itself. If the licensee violates the terms of the release and you didn't at least make it available to the licensee, then you could arguably be held liable for the licensee's actions...especially if he isn't in violation of the publication license.

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
You don't absolutely *have* to send anything, depending on who's going to be the custodian of records, but I wouldn't buy content without getting copes of the ids, model release(s), and an original, executed license to use the content. So that should tell you what you *should* supply.

Shit... getting different answers from different people...

But so far.. you are the only one to sey send a model release... All the other content people tell me NOT to because those are my copyrights.

Fuck... can't anything be easy?

ModelPerfect · 06-07-2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Shit... getting different answers from different people...

But so far.. you are the only one to sey send a model release... All the other content people tell me NOT to because those are my copyrights.

Fuck... can't anything be easy?

no...nothing's easy.

You don't lose your copyright by sending a *copy* of the release, nor do you transfer your copyright. That power can only be granted through your license, as it's the only document that will presumably be executed (signed). By sending a copy of the release, though, you can argue that the licensee was properly informed of the boundaries of his rights in case he violates the terms of the release. If your license is more restrictive in all areas than the release, then you're probably covered, anyway, and it's not necessary. Personally, I like to see a copy of a signed release, because it contains information pertinent to 2257: model's uninfluenced concent, any stagename/alias she uses, etc.

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
no...nothing's easy.
You don't lose your copyright by sending a *copy* of the release, nor do you transfer your copyright. That power can only be granted through your license, as it's the only document that will presumably be executed (signed). By sending a copy of the release, though, you can argue that the licensee was properly informed of the boundaries of his rights in case he violates the terms of the release. If your license is more restrictive in all areas than the release, then you're probably covered, anyway, and it's not necessary. Personally, I like to see a copy of a signed release, because it contains information pertinent to 2257: model's uninfluenced concent, any stagename/alias she uses, etc.

What is the difference between your exclusive and non exclusive... besides the price... I mean you have two sets on your front page for 99.00... Exclusive... To me... exclusive means I would be the only one to use those pics... that is me though.

ModelPerfect · 06-07-2004, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
What is the difference between your exclusive and non exclusive... besides the price... I mean you have two sets on your front page for 99.00... Exclusive... To me... exclusive means I would be the only one to use those pics... that is me though.

That's exactly what exclusive means. If I sold you an exclusive set, you would have the only rights to them, and I couldn't sell them to anyone else.

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
That's exactly what exclusive means. If I sold you an exclusive set, you would have the only rights to them, and I couldn't sell them to anyone else.

Thought so... thanks ;)

ModelPerfect · 06-07-2004, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Thought so... thanks ;)

Anytime. I'll be happy to help out any way I can. I don't have all the answers, but I'll give you what I know.

What kind of content are you producing? Hit me up, and maybe I can send some business your way.

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
Anytime. I'll be happy to help out any way I can. I don't have all the answers, but I'll give you what I know.

What kind of content are you producing? Hit me up, and maybe I can send some business your way.

That is it so far... waiting to get paid on a couple of sites to continue on. i like shooting... burnt on design... still program a lot... and still enjoy it... but not as busy as I use to be....

But I will be shooting a lot of amateur... (like this... these are mine My content post ) mostly soft stuff... not into the hard... Girl Girl and dildos would be as hard as i go.... Maybe some solo trannie... see a lot of solo stuff with that niche...

that is for now... i guess...

Thanks again for your advice and help

Paul Markham · 06-07-2004, 10:18 PM

You do not have to send anything. But you should send it all.

Copies of two IDs, model release and the license should all be sent to your client.

Because the IDs show the model was of a legal age, the model release shows the date it was shot indicating the model was over 18 on the date of the shoot. The model release shows the shoot was professional, the model was paid and the rights they signed away. The license so they know what they can do with the content.

Having the right documentation when buying is essential. Because if it's ever needed having it there on your premises is what will save you.

Forget about what the law says or you think it says. If you ever get a knock on your door from the AG or his delegees you will thank yourself you had the documents. Because establishing that you did not need to will cost you thousands of dollars in lawyers fees. Yes you have rights and a lawyer will charge you $400 an hour to make sure of you have them.

NBDesign · 06-07-2004, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by charly
You do not have to send anything. But you should send it all.

Copies of two IDs, model release and the license should all be sent to your client.

Because the IDs show the model was of a legal age, the model release shows the date it was shot indicating the model was over 18 on the date of the shoot. The model release shows the shoot was professional, the model was paid and the rights they signed away. The license so they know what they can do with the content.

Having the right documentation when buying is essential. Because if it's ever needed having it there on your premises is what will save you.

Forget about what the law says or you think it says. If you ever get a knock on your door from the AG or his delegees you will thank yourself you had the documents. Because establishing that you did not need to will cost you thousands of dollars in lawyers fees. Yes you have rights and a lawyer will charge you $400 an hour to make sure of you have them.

But as the content producer... that all falls on me.. right? I still have to have my 2257 listed on line and would be responsible for any and all legalities. When I buy content on-line... All I have ever gotten was their agreement/license... (and the content of course) but I never go a copy of the 2257, ID's or anything else. So as long as I have the documents... I am covered... right? Or am I living in fantasy land?

ModelPerfect · 06-07-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
That is it so far... waiting to get paid on a couple of sites to continue on. i like shooting... burnt on design... still program a lot... and still enjoy it... but not as busy as I use to be....

But I will be shooting a lot of amateur... (like this... these are mine My content post ) mostly soft stuff... not into the hard... Girl Girl and dildos would be as hard as i go.... Maybe some solo trannie... see a lot of solo stuff with that niche...

that is for now... i guess...

Thanks again for your advice and help

You're off to a good start.

ModelPerfect · 06-07-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
But as the content producer... that all falls on me.. right? I still have to have my 2257 listed on line and would be responsible for any and all legalities. When I buy content on-line... All I have ever gotten was their agreement/license... (and the content of course) but I never go a copy of the 2257, ID's or anything else. So as long as I have the documents... I am covered... right? Or am I living in fantasy land?

The vague, but probably the most truthful, answer is that you're never 100% covered. People sue for anything these days, and even if you follow federal law 100% to the letter, you still have to worry about varying local standards, etc.

Paul Markham · 06-08-2004, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
The vague, but probably the most truthful, answer is that you're never 100% covered. People sue for anything these days, and even if you follow federal law 100% to the letter, you still have to worry about varying local standards, etc.

here's the right answer.

If you want to minimize your risk you have all the documents on file, if you want to risk it you do not.

If you get visited by the authorities you will need a lawyer to argue what your rights are, That or show them the documents, your choice.

I would never rely on a person I have never met to have the documents, just becasue he says he has them and they are in order does not make it true.

Trust is earned not given freely.

ModelPerfect · 06-08-2004, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by charly
here's the right answer.

If you want to minimize your risk you have all the documents on file, if you want to risk it you do not.

If you get visited by the authorities you will need a lawyer to argue what your rights are, That or show them the documents, your choice.

I would never rely on a person I have never met to have the documents, just becasue he says he has them and they are in order does not make it true.

Trust is earned not given freely.

Totally right. There a lot you *should* do, even if you aren't *required* to...to minimize your risks. But to expand on what I mentioned before: you should check your local laws too. Even soft nudity can be deemed obscene by local standards.

Martin32 · 06-08-2004, 01:07 AM

let me know if you need a professional online content store as well. That means a well-functioning shopping cart capable of automatic discounts, various payment methods, instand content download capabilities, etc.

We developed and constantly improved such an application ourselves in 12 months. It has a webbased admin panel, intuitive userinterface, etc. We could easily change the design, logo, make the registration mandatory or non-mandatory for you. In other words, the application is very easily adaptable and flexible.

We would have you up and running in 24-48 hours

Martin

NBDesign · 06-08-2004, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by Martin32
let me know if you need a professional online content store as well. That means a well-functioning shopping cart capable of automatic discounts, various payment methods, instand content download capabilities, etc.

We developed and constantly improved such an application ourselves in 12 months. It has a webbased admin panel, intuitive userinterface, etc. We could easily change the design, logo, make the registration mandatory or non-mandatory for you. In other words, the application is very easily adaptable and flexible.

We would have you up and running in 24-48 hours

Martin

Hmmm... interesting... sure, let me see a demo and let me know a price... Started one myself... but hell.... why re-invent the wheel... unless there is a real high price tag on the program.

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