Strange info emerging about Berg killing - GoFuckYourself.com

SuckOnThis · 05-11-2004, 11:00 PM

Oddities surrounding the execution of Nick Berg: Berg was a prisoner of the U.S. military in Iraq. West Chester contractor missing in Iraq (May. 08, 2004, Associated Press) Nick Berg, 26, owned a business called Prometheus Methods Tower Service Inc. He first went to Iraq on Dec. 21. He stayed until Feb. 1, making contact with a company that indicated there would likely be work for him later. But he returned on March 14 and there was no work, so he began traveling. He usually called home once a day and e-mailed several times; Michael Berg is his business manager, and they needed to stay in touch... When FBI agents arrived at the Berg's West Chester home on March 31, they were relieved to know their son was alive, but in jail. The agents questioned them about various details that only they and their son would know about. Jerri Williams, spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, said the agency was "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq." On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military in Iraq. The next day, April 6, Nick Berg was released. Nick Berg said he would come home through Jordan, Turkey or Kuwait... The Bergs have hounded the State Department, the FBI and the International Committee of the Red Cross, seeking information. Michael Berg said the State Department sent an official to Nick Berg's hotel, where an employee told the official they had not heard of him.

Berg interrogated by FBI for two weeks (May 7, 2004 5:27 pm US/Eastern) Among those missing in Iraq is a West Chester, Pa. man who went there on his own in March to inspect damaged radio towers... 26-year-old Nick Berg didn't sign a privacy waiver when he went over there. And even though the State Department is using its one person in Iraq to help track him down, they can't tell anyone, including Berg's parents what's going on. Nick last checked in April 9th, saying he was trying to find a safe way home following two weeks of FBI interrogation, after an arrest in Mosul. He was released after his identity and intentions were confirmed.

Rob · 05-11-2004, 11:03 PM

What's so strange about that?

SuckOnThis · 05-11-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by HighOnAcid
What's so strange about that?

Oh, and it makes perfect sense that a JEWISH white man would be wandering around Iraq looking for business?

Missing for a month and just reported on the 7th of May? Two weeks of Gestapo questioning. Pretty strange.

Why did it just "happen" to be a guy who was held for 2 weeks by the Americans...
What? he gets out and the next day he's picked up by Al Quada(who by the way are not native to Iraq)--after this people will think that Al Quada are Iraqis (none are) --and that Iraq did 911 and that this shows that we did "right" by torturing those awful A-rabs.

Seems so unlikely for this sort of a thing to happen and just in time to give a big brownie point boost to Rumsfeld at a time when he was as good as gone.

chupacabra · 05-11-2004, 11:29 PM

another victim of *operation meat shield*..

Honeyslut · 05-11-2004, 11:37 PM

I wish it was warmer in Canada. I just can't stand to see what is so obvious.

It's a fucking shame. Poor guy.

Global Dialers · 05-11-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra
another victim of *operation meat shield*..

operation meat cleaver dont you mean ;)

unconnected · 05-12-2004, 12:16 AM

I was going to say that this video sure did come up rather coincidentally with the abuse allegations.. Sure is a great way to take the heat off of bush's back..
but even if it is true, there are far too many pro-war, gotta kill me some *insert clever and witty racial slur of your choosing here* as they can't be trusted and should all die, kind of people filling the USA to the brim for it to make any difference at all in the minds of the general public

VicMartin · 05-12-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Global Dialers
operation meat cleaver dont you mean ;)

How can you joke around about this?

KRL · 05-12-2004, 01:55 AM

I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

kmanrox · 05-12-2004, 02:00 AM

you queens are funny

cortezzz · 05-12-2004, 02:03 AM

the truth is outside.. not on cnn.

Internet God · 05-12-2004, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

I agree.

Joe Citizen · 05-12-2004, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

This is how it is all beginning to look.

Scary indeed.

Joe Citizen · 05-12-2004, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox
you queens are funny

says the tranny fucker.

ytcracker · 05-12-2004, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

that would be fucking insane

Odin88 · 05-12-2004, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
This is how it is all beginning to look.

Scary indeed.

Scary why? You fear you might of partied over his death too soon? Better put the party hats away Joe - until the next American civilian is killed that is.

WarChild · 05-12-2004, 02:22 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Oh, and it makes perfect sense that a JEWISH white man would be wandering around Iraq looking for business?

Yes it does seem a little odd, doesn't it. I guess that'd be a good reason for American intelligence to detain and question this man.

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Missing for a month and just reported on the 7th of May? Two weeks of Gestapo questioning. Pretty strange.

What makes you think it was "Gestapo" questioning. Nobody has suggested this man was mistreated in Iraq by US forces. He was held, but "Gestapo" is an attempt to induce paranoia. Let's stick to the facts.

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Why did it just "happen" to be a guy who was held for 2 weeks by the Americans....

Americans in Iraq are all targets. A civilian, travelling without benfit of millitary or private security seems like an ideal target.

I'm not saying I know for sure what happened here. HOWEVER .. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

samuel · 05-12-2004, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by unconnected
I was going to say that this video sure did come up rather coincidentally with the abuse allegations.. Sure is a great way to take the heat off of bush's back..
but even if it is true, there are far too many pro-war, gotta kill me some *insert clever and witty racial slur of your choosing here* as they can't be trusted and should all die, kind of people filling the USA to the brim for it to make any difference at all in the minds of the general public

I agree with you, this could be a coincidence with abuse allegations...

Samuel

TheMob · 05-12-2004, 02:25 AM

I wouldn't jump the gun on conspiracy theories... but it seems like this whole thing's just gonna get dirtier and dirtier.

WarChild · 05-12-2004, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by samuel
I agree with you, this could be a coincidence with abuse allegations...

Samuel

Well the people in the tape did SAY it was in return for the prisoner abuses.

JFK · 05-12-2004, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Wag the Dog..........

webmaster x · 05-12-2004, 03:38 AM

Not that strange but scary.

Buff · 05-12-2004, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

What the fuck????

Get your prescription renewed asap, lunatic.

flashfreak · 05-12-2004, 04:18 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

what he said !

EviLGuY · 05-12-2004, 05:31 AM

This just proves that people love conspiracys.

Its like that Mel Gibson Conspiracy Theory movie.

Do you keep your coffee in containers with a combination lock?

KRL · 05-12-2004, 06:20 AM

If you look at the history of the US Government, especially our powerful intelligence agencies, and military industrial sector, they have shown over and over that they think they can operate above the law.

Anything is possible with these guys. If you doubt that just do some research.

crockett · 05-12-2004, 06:38 AM

There is no doubt in my mind that people in the CIA could and would do something like that. However I'm not so quick to jump on the conspiracy band wagon. We do have many American private contractors over there. If he went on his own with out the benefit of protection he was a walking target and very stupid.

I know a guy that is a ex Army Ranger, he was involved in the whole Somalia deal and took a few bullets. He is now a security contractor in Iraq. He knows his shit and says things are a lot more fucked up over there than what you see on TV. He claims that it's not the minorty but the majorty that hates anyone, not only Americans but anyone from any westren crountry. The Middle East is not a pretty place for a white person to be traveling at this time.

jimmyf · 05-12-2004, 06:38 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

get serious, some of you people are just 2 fucking much

Ironhorse · 05-12-2004, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
If you look at the history of the US Government, especially our powerful intelligence agencies, and military industrial sector, they have shown over and over that they think they can operate above the law.

Anything is possible with these guys. If you doubt that just do some research.

If you read history in general, you will find that much stranger things have happened in this world. The problem is most people don't read any history older than maybe their parents, so they have nothing to compare things to. It's sad really, but ignorance is bliss

SuckOnThis · 05-12-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Nothing would surprise me with this administration. Look at what all this does for Bushco.

1. Now the prison abuses don't look so bad and it takes attention away from it.

2. The Iraq war has turned into a disaster and Bush knows it. It is completely out of control and more and more people (54% in the latest poll) think it was a mistake. With the beheading more people think we did the right thing.

3. 6 months before the election and Bushes popularity continues to fall, what better thing to get the people behind him again, an act by the 'enemy' so shocking people once again will feel we need 'a war president' in charge.

I'm not saying I have no doubt Bushco was behind this but the timing is very odd along with other things. I mean the man has already killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, so whats one more life to save his re-election.

Mike AI · 05-12-2004, 09:32 AM

Doesn't Bush already give you enough ammunition to rail against him and the US? Why resort to wild conspiracy theories?? It only makes you look like kooks.

Oh I forgot, you are a bunch of kooks!

Never mind.

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 09:38 AM

they reported earlier that they believe al-Zarqawi was the person performing the execution, didn't look like he had a wooden leg to me.

C-Bass · 05-12-2004, 09:42 AM

Sacraficing a singler person for the well being of the Presidential power in times of election doesnt seem far fetched to me.

Its very sad to just begin to imagine what the government keeps from its people in a supposedly "Democracy" where things are meant to be FOR the people and BY the people.

Goin to hell i say.....here we go....

Lane · 05-12-2004, 09:45 AM

You should always look at who is in benefit.

doober · 05-12-2004, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by Buff
What the fuck????

Get your prescription renewed asap, lunatic.

you are way crazier than him for thinking it isnt possible.
IMHO KRL is prolly the only one that sees what i have been seeing all along.
Hard to own up to it if your an american but nonetheless very real and very fucking likely

DOnt foget to Vote Bush guys

Sambo · 05-12-2004, 09:48 AM

I dont think it is a conspiracy.....

BUT..... if it comes out later that it was CIA, then I wont be surprised

In fact I dont think anything will surprise me again!!

TheFrog · 05-12-2004, 09:49 AM

suspected something like this

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 09:50 AM

By the way, we're talking about the same people who killed thousands of Americans in all different countries, it seems odd to some people that someone wondering through Iraq with no plan to get home was captured and taken hostage by Al-Quada?

It doesn't even seem odd to me he was taken into custody, if he did not have a current contract in Iraq and was wondering around in a warzone the U.S of course is going to want to know what he is doing there?

I hope they release more information about this.

directfiesta · 05-12-2004, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Sambo
I dont think it is a conspiracy.....

BUT..... if it comes out later that it was CIA, then I wont be surprised

In fact I dont think anything will surprise me again!!

CONSpiracy... NO WAY !!!

The good old US of A would never do that, It is the righteous country, the one that respects differences in cultures, languages, religions and skin color...

It is the one that delivers democracy when called upon to help... Ther one that is able to identify the countries of the " axis of evil", the " "wrongdoers and the evildoers ".... It is the one that has as mission to remove ALL the abusing dictators, with " moral reward" as sole benefit ...

It is the one that will bring peace to the middleast with it's " ROAD MAP TO PEACE"....

Never would such a great country, with it's great allies, do such a thing as a covert operation....

Put away your tinfoil hats, you leftist anti-patriotic Kerry voters!!!! and support the troops ....

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In the Philippines

In the late 1980s, the CIA assigned Vietnam veteran U.S. General John Singlaub to organize anti-communist vigilante groups all over the country for mass terror, particularly as part of the Philippine government's "total war policy" against people's movements. General Singlaub posed as an American "treasure hunter" and even secured all the necessary official permits for treasure hunting in the Philippines. Another operative active in the "total war" operations in the Philippines was Vietnam counterinsurgency specialist Col. James Rowe, Joint US Military Advisory Group (JUSMAG) adviser, whose cover was blown off when he was ambushed in 1989 by urban guerrillas of the New People's Army in Timog Avenue, Quezon City. Rowe was clandestinely involved in the organization of anti-communist death squads like Alsa Masa and vigilante groups patterned after "Operation Phoenix" in Vietnam which had the objective of eliminating legal and semi-legal mass activists and their political sympathizers that constituted the political infrastructure of the insurgency movement.

One even more fucked up:

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Before this, the CIA had made every effort to assure the defeat of Recto in the 1957 presidential election wherein the CIA manufactured and distributed defective condoms with a label that said, "Courtesy of Claro M. Recto--the People's Friend." Could it be that Recto was a victim of the CIA's covert operations, or what they call "executive action" against those perceived as dangerous enemies of the United States?

Everything is possible, even Berg could have been MOSSAD....

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Everything is possible, even Berg could have been MOSSAD....

Yes, he could also have been a twenty six year old, who wandered around in a war zone, and got taken hostage by people affiliated to Al-Quada.

They released a declaration that they would reward the murder of any <B>american citizen</B> and an american citizen got murdered, perhaps it has something to do with the earthquake generator the CIA has up on the moon?

directfiesta · 05-12-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
Yes, he could also have been a twenty six year old, who wandered around in a war zone, and got taken hostage by people affiliated to Al-Quada.

Yes, he could. But not very smart then, since according to the news, he hadn't really found any work for himself ( self-employed).
Ang got interrogated by the FBI while in captivity ... weird no?

If smart, you go for Halliburton ( pay + security) or the private gards companies...

Meanwhile, his family will have to live with this horrible death.

FYI, special forces in Iraq( source should be credible to you...)

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U.S. Special Forces Take On Larger Role
Christian Science Monitor
March 11, 2004

WASHINGTON - Leading a group of Navy SEALs on raids in Baghdad's maze of maze of neighborhoods, Lt. Cmdr. Jamie Cartwright turned up tatooed members of Saddam Fedayeen, Palestinian terrorists, and makers of fake passports.

Over 300 combat missions in six months, he also discovered something about his own men.

Specialized in raids to kill or capture most-wanted leaders, the SEALs proved very adept at a softer but equally essential skill: gathering intelligence.

Young SEALs would "jump in the back [of helicopters] ... to photograph the targets" and sleuth out street-level sources, he says. After a raid, they scoured houses for hahahahahahahahas, cell- phones, and other tips that could lead to quick, follow-on action.

"The guys got really good at searching these homes," said LCDR Cartwright of SEAL Team 5, noting that his men had from two days to as little as 20 minutes to prepare a mission.

As the Pentagon's lead troops in the war on terrorism, elite U.S. Special Operations Forces (SOF) are taking on a far more robust and independent role in intelligence and undercover operations as their numbers, deployments, and funding grow at an unprecedented rate.

Indeed, some senior military officers are calling for a transformation of the 49,000-strong force around the imperative for a new, secretive, and ethnically diverse intelligence cadre capable of tracking down sophisticated terrorist networks such as Al Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden. "A robust cadre of humint [human intelligence] forces organic to SOF [Special Operations Forces] would give us perhaps the most important aspect of operations-intelligence fusion that one could get in the field, in direct support of counterterror," says Lt. Gen. Norton Schwartz, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Yet the shift is also stirring controversy over what some military analysts view as the potential pitfalls of blurring the traditional line between Special Operations and the CIA, especially in the realm of covert action.

Today, the Special Operations Command (SOCOM) is already exercising unprecedented authority under Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to lead the U.S. military's fight against terrorism. The war in Iraq has seen the largest Special Operations deployment since Vietnam, with more than 80 percent of its deployed forces now in the Central Command area (the Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa.)

Given the biggest budget increase in its history, SOCOM's funding is projected to increase over the 2003 level by 20 percent per year for the next five years, as it adds 4,000 people to its ranks and dozens of new helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft. The personnel increase will include Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces (also known as Green Berets) and Civil Affairs soldiers, and a new 85-man Marine Special Operations unit, Det 1, which is preparing to deploy to Iraq in April.

As part of this growth, the command, based in Tampa, Fla., is carving out a new niche by expanding its intelligence capabilities across the board. It is adding 700 people to its U.S. and overseas regional headquarters to analyze intelligence - gathered by its own forces as well as by CIA agents, spy satellites, and other means - and to plan Special Operations-led missions with an emphasis on agile responses to short-term intelligence.

The nexus of the effort is a new Center for Special Operations, a "warfighting hub" with sole responsibility for "planning, supporting, and executing Special Operations in the war on terrorism," says SOCOM's commander, Gen. Bryan "Doug" Brown. If ordered by the president or Defense secretary, SOCOM's beefed-up headquarters now allows it to reverse roles and direct operations anywhere in the world supported by U.S. regional commanders - instead of supplying forces to serve under them. New intelligence channels

Another way Special Operations leaders are boosting their intelligence capabilities is by leveraging ties with foreign counterparts. For the first time, coalition partners from "several" countries are stationed at SOCOM headquarters, General Brown says.

Intelligence-sharing agreements are also in the works between the Pentagon and close allies, says Thomas O'Connell, assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict. "We are pushing very hard ... starting with the UK, Australia, and others, to get them access to the Sipernet [classified Internet], break down these barriers, and we will start seeing the type of access and exchange that we need."

With U.S. and foreign Special Operations Forces together in combat, restrictions on information sharing such as the "NOFORN" [no foreigner] classification cease to make sense, defense officials say. "You have this goofy warning on intelligence that says 'NOFORN' that I think is sometimes overused," says Mr. O'Connell. "If someone is fighting and dying with you, at that particular time you don't consider them a foreigner. You consider them a very close ally."

Meanwhile, in coming years larger numbers of U.S. Special Operations Forces will be based overseas for longer rotations, to strengthen bonds with foreign counterparts and gain local access. All these initiatives will build upon the street-level intelligence-gathering skills that elite forces are already demonstrating in Iraq and Afghanistan, military officials say. In Iraq, for example, such troops are generating their own intelligence by going to prisons, interrogating detainees, linking events across zones controlled by different military units - without necessarily relying on CIA spy satellites or other intelligence information.

"They've developed their own intelligence networks. They've gone out, they've grabbed people, and they've effectively shut down a tremendous portion of the problem that exists today," says O'Connell. "Each action often results in additional intelligence ... what I personally call a bounce," he says. "If you hit him in a certain way, something develops from that hit."

Bolstering this independent ability of Special Operations Forces to gather human intelligence may be as vital to defeating terrorists as are combat skills. "This community needs to morph ... and become less kinetic, more nuanced, more collector," General Schwartz, a former SOCOM deputy commander, told a Special Operations gathering last month. He outlined an idea for a future "black," or covert, Special Operations intelligence cadre with cultural and language skills that could operate in disguise. "We need to look more like them than we do like us," he said, speaking of terrorist networks.

Such a force would not conflict with today's unprecedented cooperation between Special Operations Forces and CIA operatives, say military and defense officials.

"Regarding the interaction between CIA and SOF, I would say, one, there is enough work for everybody," O'Connell said in an interview. "Two, I don't think the relationship between the CIA and Special Operations Forces has ever been closer, and, three, both have their own distinct role. The CIA can certainly provide many considerable advantages to SOF, but their primary mission is still to recruit spies, and SOF is much larger than the CIA." Blurred roles

Still, some military officers and analysts raise concerns about a blurring of roles between the CIA and Special Operations. "The new and apparently ad hoc policy of integrating [SOF and CIA] operations together in combat" has "eroded distinctions between SOF and the CIA," hahahahahas Army Col. Kathryn Stone in a research paper published last July.

Specifically, the participation of Special Operations Forces in covert action carries several risks: Such forces, if captured, would lose their Geneva Convention protections that govern conduct in war. Such actions could also alienate foreign governments and prompt them to use soldiers to conduct covert activity against the U.S.. Then, too, traditional military activities are not subject to congressional oversight the way CIA covert action is, notes Jennifer Kibbe, a fellow at the Brookings Institution here who explored the problem this month in a Foreign Affairs article, "Rise of the Shadow Warriors."

In response, Defense officials acknowledge the possible loss of Geneva Convention protections, but assert that few of America's adversaries honor the statues. The need for Special Operations Forces to work undercover outweighs the risks, they say. "For those who were questioning our ability to do that [operate under cover], and there was some talk that they would take that away, it's not going to happen on my watch," O'Connell says.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...031104,00.html

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Yes, he could. But not very smart then, since according to the news, he hadn't really found any work for himself ( self-employed).
Ang got interrogated by the FBI while in captivity ... weird no?

If smart, you go for Halliburton ( pay + security) or the private gards companies...

Meanwhile, his family will have to live with this horrible death.

FYI, special forces in Iraq( source should be credible to you...)

I do not find it odd that he was interviewed by the F.B.I at all, John Walker Lindh was interviewed by the F.B.I at camp Rhino, Kandahar - likewise an american citizen with no known business in a war zone.

He made some bad choices for sure, but I personally don't think the C.I.A is sawing people's heads off to take the heat of the Iraqi prison photo's?

Goose · 05-12-2004, 10:36 AM

oh c'mon you can't be for real...

sixone · 05-12-2004, 10:56 AM

there are a few things that are interesting about this, the timing of the video, the fact that the U.S. already found his body within a week of this scandal breaking out (wouldn't leave much time to film this video and get it onto the web), and the fact that he was a U.S. prisoner.

I haven't watched the video yet though, the Daniel Pearl video left me fucked up for days.

Furious_Male · 05-12-2004, 11:07 AM

I have a very open mind and think anything is possible. However I think some of you watch way to much "24"

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 12:01 PM

so let me see, some people honestly believe the U.S state department, F.B.I, U.S military and the C.I.A conspired to have this man murdered, had him murdered, placed a video of his murder that would not be displayed on any U.S news show on an islamic extremiest website, to take the heat off the prison abuse pictures?

Most of the people I have spoken too have no idea of how this man met his end, most think it was a clean beheading, not a guy getting his head sawed off with a knife the size of a bayonet.

Sounds like a X-Files episode.

Oh Sheila · 05-12-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

OMG

As horrific as that is, I thought the very same thing a few hours after I watched the video yesterday.

It made the abuse by U.S. and British soldiers look trivial, and sparked hate in the hearts of many American voters that may opt for revenge rather than the punishment of the American reservists found to be abusing prisoners.

sexcam · 05-12-2004, 12:16 PM

BAGHDAD (AP) ? An American civilian who was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaeda-linked Web site was never in U.S. custody despite claims from his family, a coalition spokesman said Wednesday.

Fletch XXX · 05-12-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by sexcam
BAGHDAD (AP) ? An American civilian who was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaeda-linked Web site was never in U.S. custody despite claims from his family, a coalition spokesman said Wednesday.

its worded very well.

I think they are trying to say not in "US Coalition Forces Custody" - they believe the FBI had him in custody, at least thats what it seems when they start mixing it up.

I noticed it was the FBI who had him and not the Army.

bdld · 05-12-2004, 12:22 PM

the only ones to blame here are the murderers, and no one else.

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SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Strange info emerging about Berg killing Oddities surrounding the execution of Nick Berg: Berg was a prisoner of the U.S. military in Iraq. West Chester contractor missing in Iraq (May. 08, 2004, Associated Press) Nick Berg, 26, owned a business called Prometheus Methods Tower Service Inc. He first went to Iraq on Dec. 21. He stayed until Feb. 1, making contact with a company that indicated there would likely be work for him later. But he returned on March 14 and there was no work, so he began traveling. He usually called home once a day and e-mailed several times; Michael Berg is his business manager, and they needed to stay in touch... When FBI agents arrived at the Berg's West Chester home on March 31, they were relieved to know their son was alive, but in jail. The agents questioned them about various details that only they and their son would know about. Jerri Williams, spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, said the agency was "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq." On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military in Iraq. The next day, April 6, Nick Berg was released. Nick Berg said he would come home through Jordan, Turkey or Kuwait... The Bergs have hounded the State Department, the FBI and the International Committee of the Red Cross, seeking information. Michael Berg said the State Department sent an official to Nick Berg's hotel, where an employee told the official they had not heard of him. Berg interrogated by FBI for two weeks (May 7, 2004 5:27 pm US/Eastern) Among those missing in Iraq is a West Chester, Pa. man who went there on his own in March to inspect damaged radio towers... 26-year-old Nick Berg didn't sign a privacy waiver when he went over there. And even though the State Department is using its one person in Iraq to help track him down, they can't tell anyone, including Berg's parents what's going on. Nick last checked in April 9th, saying he was trying to find a safe way home following two weeks of FBI interrogation, after an arrest in Mosul. He was released after his identity and intentions were confirmed.

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Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	What's so strange about that? __________________

05-11-2004, 11:37 PM	#5
Honeyslut Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ass Valley, Ca Posts: 6,436	I wish it was warmer in Canada. I just can't stand to see what is so obvious. It's a fucking shame. Poor guy. __________________ http://nakedlunchnews.comWhat's up ? Naked Lunch News !

05-12-2004, 12:16 AM	#7
unconnected Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,025	I was going to say that this video sure did come up rather coincidentally with the abuse allegations.. Sure is a great way to take the heat off of bush's back.. but even if it is true, there are far too many pro-war, gotta kill me some insert clever and witty racial slur of your choosing here as they can't be trusted and should all die, kind of people filling the USA to the brim for it to make any difference at all in the minds of the general public __________________ "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989

05-12-2004, 01:55 AM	#9
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I fear the very worst here. I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities. Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

05-11-2004, 11:29 PM	#4
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	another victim of operation meat shield..

05-12-2004, 02:00 AM	#10
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	you queens are funny __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

05-12-2004, 02:03 AM	#11
cortezzz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: white house Posts: 955	the truth is outside.. not on cnn. __________________ ....................../´¯/) ....................,/¯../ .................../..../ ............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ ........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\ ........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') .........\.................'...../ ..........''...\.......... _.·´ ............\..............( ..............\.............\... [email protected] skype: cortezzz2006

05-12-2004, 02:25 AM	#19
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	I wouldn't jump the gun on conspiracy theories... but it seems like this whole thing's just gonna get dirtier and dirtier.

05-12-2004, 03:38 AM	#22
webmaster x Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,400	Not that strange but scary. __________________ Click 9500 FHG Text Descriptions--Only $89!

05-12-2004, 05:31 AM	#25
EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	This just proves that people love conspiracys. Its like that Mel Gibson Conspiracy Theory movie. Do you keep your coffee in containers with a combination lock?

05-12-2004, 06:20 AM	#26
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	If you look at the history of the US Government, especially our powerful intelligence agencies, and military industrial sector, they have shown over and over that they think they can operate above the law. Anything is possible with these guys. If you doubt that just do some research. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

05-12-2004, 06:38 AM	#27
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	There is no doubt in my mind that people in the CIA could and would do something like that. However I'm not so quick to jump on the conspiracy band wagon. We do have many American private contractors over there. If he went on his own with out the benefit of protection he was a walking target and very stupid. I know a guy that is a ex Army Ranger, he was involved in the whole Somalia deal and took a few bullets. He is now a security contractor in Iraq. He knows his shit and says things are a lot more fucked up over there than what you see on TV. He claims that it's not the minorty but the majorty that hates anyone, not only Americans but anyone from any westren crountry. The Middle East is not a pretty place for a white person to be traveling at this time. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator. Last edited by crockett; 05-12-2004 at 06:41 AM..

05-12-2004, 09:32 AM	#31
Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	Doesn't Bush already give you enough ammunition to rail against him and the US? Why resort to wild conspiracy theories?? It only makes you look like kooks. Oh I forgot, you are a bunch of kooks! Never mind. __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

05-12-2004, 09:38 AM	#32
xenophobic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 874	they reported earlier that they believe al-Zarqawi was the person performing the execution, didn't look like he had a wooden leg to me.

05-12-2004, 09:42 AM	#33
C-Bass Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: th3 1nt3Rwebz Posts: 3,153	Sacraficing a singler person for the well being of the Presidential power in times of election doesnt seem far fetched to me. Its very sad to just begin to imagine what the government keeps from its people in a supposedly "Democracy" where things are meant to be FOR the people and BY the people. Goin to hell i say.....here we go.... __________________ "Unhappy with the riches 'cause you're piss poor morally." Trade traffic? - Highdef Blog

05-12-2004, 09:45 AM	#34
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	You should always look at who is in benefit. __________________

05-12-2004, 09:48 AM	#36
Sambo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,187	I dont think it is a conspiracy..... BUT..... if it comes out later that it was CIA, then I wont be surprised In fact I dont think anything will surprise me again!!

05-12-2004, 09:49 AM	#37
TheFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,095	suspected something like this

05-12-2004, 09:50 AM	#38
xenophobic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 874	By the way, we're talking about the same people who killed thousands of Americans in all different countries, it seems odd to some people that someone wondering through Iraq with no plan to get home was captured and taken hostage by Al-Quada? It doesn't even seem odd to me he was taken into custody, if he did not have a current contract in Iraq and was wondering around in a warzone the U.S of course is going to want to know what he is doing there? I hope they release more information about this.

05-12-2004, 10:36 AM	#43
Goose Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: --------Europe------- Posts: 5,725	oh c'mon you can't be for real... __________________ ICQ: 52410619

05-12-2004, 10:56 AM	#44
sixone Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503	there are a few things that are interesting about this, the timing of the video, the fact that the U.S. already found his body within a week of this scandal breaking out (wouldn't leave much time to film this video and get it onto the web), and the fact that he was a U.S. prisoner. I haven't watched the video yet though, the Daniel Pearl video left me fucked up for days.

05-12-2004, 11:07 AM	#45
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	I have a very open mind and think anything is possible. However I think some of you watch way to much "24" __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

05-12-2004, 12:01 PM	#46
xenophobic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 874	so let me see, some people honestly believe the U.S state department, F.B.I, U.S military and the C.I.A conspired to have this man murdered, had him murdered, placed a video of his murder that would not be displayed on any U.S news show on an islamic extremiest website, to take the heat off the prison abuse pictures? Most of the people I have spoken too have no idea of how this man met his end, most think it was a clean beheading, not a guy getting his head sawed off with a knife the size of a bayonet. Sounds like a X-Files episode. Last edited by xenophobic; 05-12-2004 at 12:02 PM..

05-12-2004, 12:16 PM	#48
sexcam Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 38	BAGHDAD (AP) ? An American civilian who was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaeda-linked Web site was never in U.S. custody despite claims from his family, a coalition spokesman said Wednesday. __________________ Freeadultzone __________________

05-12-2004, 12:22 PM	#50
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	the only ones to blame here are the murderers, and no one else.