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Vrume Mark
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Gary Kremen Are You Getting Nervous?
Seems your article in AVN online "TGP Traffic Buyers And Traders Beware" was a very one sided bashing of TGP advertising brokers and resellers.
Quotes "A significant number of TGP traffic brokers/sellers are scammers and cheaters" There are really only 2 large TGP brokers out there Cybercat and GTS. Was there someone else you were referring to? "Those with good traffic have long term customers: those with short-term customers get "choked". Hmmm I wonder who that was directed at? Possibly Choker? Are companies like Cybercat, GTS and Choker taking more and more money out of your pocket that you have to resort to bashing us in magazines. Common. DH |
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can I sit here and watch this unfold?
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04-15-2004, 12:19 PM
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he's always been a nervous dude..
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04-15-2004, 12:21 PM
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I just want a spot on first page here.
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Who gives a fuck what he says? Its not like hes Alan Greenspan.
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he'd better not be talking about me
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04-15-2004, 12:23 PM
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Who is Gary Kremen?
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04-15-2004, 12:23 PM
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Pretty low blows there.
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Gary, you should stick to what you know which is PPC. Because obviously you don't seem to be extremely in the know about TGP traffic. DH |
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04-15-2004, 12:24 PM
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This should be good... get him DH.
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04-15-2004, 12:25 PM
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I sale GAY GALLERY TRAFFIC!!
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04-15-2004, 12:26 PM
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higher than 80% of my clients are REPEAT clients... i wonder if sex.com can say the same....................
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04-15-2004, 12:27 PM
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im chokin on some serious dank.
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This is gonna get messy
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04-15-2004, 12:36 PM
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Was it really Gary Kremen, or was it any of the dozens of people who always speak for him ?
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04-15-2004, 12:38 PM
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Another interesting quote
"You should NEVER purchase traffic at a fixed price on a Website. You should either negotiate or, better yet, purchase traffic where the price is set by negotiation between independent buyers and sellers with the seller being a broker, receiving a fixed commission." So what you are saying is we should sell our gallery listings and banner listings cheaper to certain people than others? How is that fair to the poor guy who just bought a gallery listing from us at full price? Also have you ever heard of something called "supply and demand"? Obviously your traffic isn't in high demand hence the reason you HAVE to negotiate. We price our traffic at what we think is fair market value, people can choose to buy it or not. It's completely up to them, I don't have salespeople busting down their door or use high pressure sales techniques. DH |
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04-15-2004, 12:39 PM
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More BS from Gary
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04-15-2004, 12:40 PM
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Today's cleaning day and DH is bringing the maytag, lol
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I do have a problem with someone that is preaching about stuff he has no idea about. I won't start spouting off how I know this and that about PPC, because simply I DON'T!!! Just because the guy owns a big domain doesn't mean he is the be all and end all of the traffic industry. Just my  DH |
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04-15-2004, 12:46 PM
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04-15-2004, 01:39 PM
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Hey DH. I agree 100% with you. Everytime the TGP market has made some waves in this industry it gets bashed. In this case Gary probably feels you guys are hurting his business. The funny thing is you are in very different markets. This industry is so big there is enough traffic for us all to make money. Attacking the "competition" is very weak.
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04-15-2004, 01:46 PM
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from my perspective, very few give a shit what he thinks. don't bother giving him any credence. those who know... know.
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04-15-2004, 01:51 PM
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#1 http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/s...ghlight=sex.com
i never made my money back myself on sex.com #2 http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/s...ghlight=sex.com used to do great with sex.com but haven't for a while #3 http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/s...ghlight=sex.com Just try google, it seems ok. Never try sex.com, I don't want to waste money #4 http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/s...ghlight=sex.com dunno seems like the $300 is better spent elsewhere #5 http://www.pkboard.com/showthread.p...ghlight=sex.com I could be wrong here but IMO sex.com are watering down the quality of their traffic #6 http://www.pkboard.com/showthread.p...ghlight=sex.com I probably wont use sex.com now anyhow. When you bought listings there before you was getting pure type-in traffic which is gold, now they seem to be springing up partnerships all over the place which really dilutes the quality of their traffic IMO #7 http://bbs.porncity.net/showthread....ghlight=sex.com all i could ever do was break even with them #8 http://bbs.porncity.net/showthread....ghlight=sex.com Sex.com seemed to get nothing at all for me #9 http://bbs.porncity.net/showthread....ghlight=sex.com I was able to make our with a profit; however honestly I dont think it was worth all of the time and trouble #10 http://www.avslounge.com/webmaster_...t=ST&f=3&t=5530 Sex.com is cheap, but traffic isn't that high quality #31 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...threadid=226455 sex.com traffic conversions went down in the last months shitty numbers for me #32 http://www.avsprograms.com/forum/in...t=ST&f=1&t=1476 Sex.com is sending almost as much traffic btw but I've yet to get a sale from there #33 http://www.avsprograms.com/forum/in...t=ST&f=1&t=1418 have been using sex.com before, but the results weren't that great #34 http://www.avsprograms.com/forum/in...t=ST&f=1&t=1418 Sex com while great sales team, never made any sales for me. I figgured it was mostly lookie loos looking for free stuff #35 http://www.awwboard.com/showthread....=&threadid=9508 I plopped down $50 for some sex.com traffic to see how it will go. So far nothing. #36 http://board.adultinsider.com/showt...25&pagenumber=2 i dropped $200 on it, got a few thousand visitors, and ONE possible sale. I think even that came from a usenet post i did for the site after i was fed up with the shitty conversions. #37 http://adultwebmasterhangout.com/ub...mber=25681.html I did run some adds on Sex.com with zero responce #38 http://adultwebmasterhangout.com/ub...mber=25681.html well so far I've gotten some traffic from being on top of sex.com for a couple days but I need to watch my budget. In terms of actual click throughs and conversions, I got a sale that I probably won't quite break even on #39 http://adultwebmasterhangout.com/ub...mber=25681.html nice that your getting something from Sex.com did nothing for me #40 http://www.newbiewebmasters.com/sho...=6048&s=&t=8390 Oh, and before I forget, please don't even recommend Sex.com PPC SE, because the results were even worse (by a lot!). yada yada yada
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I haven't read the article, anyone have a link?
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#41 http://bbs.porncity.net/showthread....&threadid=61267
I have an account there but I´m not gonna use it any more #42 http://www.cozycampus.com/theforum/...=&threadid=3935 I just counted almost 2500 clicks from sex.com to my site and I made only one sale. I only bid for relative search terms but still got no result. #43 http://www.cozycampus.com/theforum/...=&threadid=3935 sex.com's traffic is not the best #44 http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.p...&threadid=13814 I have tried buying traffic, pay per click, sex.com and a whole host of other crap that does not work!!!! #45 http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.p...&threadid=13814 Hi used sex.com to a tune of $500 so far and nothing! #46 http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.p...&threadid=13814 i got 1 or 2 sign ups from sex.com and i rekon all other traffic and stuff i bought was total crap hitbot stuff #47 http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.p...&threadid=13814 had a total of 9200 clicks from sex.com and 2 members #48 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com It didn't work for us. Even though they have very very few gay sites listed we didn't get signups from sex.com #49 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com dont waste ya money #50 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com Set your money on fire instead, then at least you'll be warm. #51 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com I invested over $200US with sex.com and only 1 sale... google's adwords send me about 40 signups at least for that much money. #52 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com Sex.com sent alot of clicks but not much else #53 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com Sex.com I don't get a good turn around from them. You get lots of hits but the conversions are bad. Not worth it #54 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com However, even the sex.com spots I bought did not convert... $50 of traffic from them netted us no sales #55 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com Sex.com, even using related keywords like "gothic girls" converted absolutely potty for me #56 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com not worth it #57 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com Biggest waste of $200 ever... #58 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com We have done a little work with sex.com and my experience is this: Unless you have very targeted, low cost keywords, you can/will spend money like its water #59 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com We have bought from the webmaster page to the surfer page and just didnt feel it was worth it. #60 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...ghlight=sex.com On the downside it is not as easy to manage a large campaign with them as with overture or findwhat. Yada again. Hi Gary
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(SARCASM) Damnit Choker, I hate it when someone makes a post without doing any research! (/SARCASM)
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GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
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WTF, I used to be able to copy and paste these
Here's the link http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagen umber=1
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I have always wanted to chat with him and ask if he regrets the PPC thing he made.
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"A significant number of TGP traffic brokers/sellers are scammers and cheaters" - Is a fact.
Admit it how many tGP guys run around saying they got tone of traffic to trade? I make money with Sex.com traffic its not that hard ya just goto know what your doing. I also believe that webmasters are more likely to hear about buying traffic from sex.com before other sources of traffic and thus more likely to make a mistake with what they are doing. Choker ya should get along with Gary, he breaks them guys in for you and naturally they fall onto your shoulders. So effectively gary takes the bullet for ya and gets a bad rep dealing with newbs first. Its a real shame...
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rumor has it, they set a permenant hahahahahaha on a surfer, so that subsequent clicks from ANY of the OTHER sex.com customer's dont get credit for em...
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Ok these all work. I am putting them in a text file so I can copy and paste for any future use I may need. ROFLMAO
#141 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m it didn't do crap for me either.. I stopped using sex.com a long time ago #142 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m deposit $50 sex.com, make 3 sales to gigacash. Woo, nice profit.... except all 3 sales come back as "fraudulent transactions", gigacash account terminated without pay. All sex.com traffic. $50 down the drain. #143 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m i spent 2Gs on sex.com for my adult chat site but i wasn't too thrilled with the results. #144 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m On tgp i have convert 1:300, on sex.com 0:1200 #145 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m 600 dollars = 0 signups #146 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m not enough profit to keep it going #147 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m on $250 worth of sex.com traffic i got 0 signups. #148 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m Sex.com sucks big time Don't waste your hard earned $$$$'s! #149 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m Don't work for us #150 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m Tried many times with different sites and they never worked for us #151 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m with Sex.com I spent $50 and didn't get a signup #152 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m I tried sex.com the other day with a small $100 depost. No sales, and crappy productivity #153 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m sex.com traffic conversions went down in the last months shitty numbers for me #154 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=sex.co m sex.com traffic sucks
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If anyone wanna try making money with Sex.com with a buy I will TELL you how and you must listen. Once ya understand you will make money.
I've never lost money on a buy from sex.com. I am not a rep for sex.com just a small client however I am willing to take one guy and explaine to em exactly what to do. Yeah its cocky but I know for a fact it works with ROI's as high as .26 per click. 
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