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Old 04-05-2004, 09:05 AM   #101
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i got redlined and the reason I got redlined was because someone sent me an ipod and incorrectly valued it at $100 or something when the item had a $500 price tag on it. It was seized by customs, i had nothing to do with that but it puts a red flag on you to get searched if you ever get something like that happening to you.

So the customs officer saw LEGAL adult material and decided to seize the machine pending what he called "classification"

I'm left thinking that's total bullshit- all files he looked at were legal and within canadian obsenity laws. but because they were adult he seized them. Personally I think that shows ignorance and a personal prejustice against adult on behalf of that customs agent and I will be persuing a complaint against that officer. They said they'd phone me this morning - i still havn't heard from them.
Dude, that does suck. I would call them up if you still haven't heard from them. Maybe, the agent was a member of your sites and he wanted the free pr0n!!
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:06 AM   #102
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Canada Border Services Agency is the most powerful law enforcement agency in Canada when it comes to search and/or seizure..

Heck, if they suspect you are transporting contraband across the border, they can kick the door in on your property, that might be 1000 miles away from the border, and do a search w/o warrant.. try to get the RCMP, or any other police force in Canada to do that.. no way, it'd be thrown out of court immediately.

I hope for your sake Sleazy there wasn't anything on the notebook that might just be deemed "obscene material" .. if so, its a goner..

As for why did they search your laptop.. who knows.. could have been a smart ass response to a question, you seemed nervous, etc..

Did you have the identifcation card? As mentioned above that proves it was not a brand new laptop, etc. etc. That may have helped in avoiding the search..

Either which way, good luck with it.. hahahahaha to your MP and the appropriate Ministers..
i was redlined cause I was in the compuer due to the an ipod being seized - they told me that.

i carry the laptop's receipt with me
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:09 AM   #103
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Sorry to hear that Sleazy. Australian customs went thru our stuff when we returned from Florida last year and completely checked out our laptop and luggage. I hope you get it back ok.
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:17 AM   #104
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:24 AM   #105
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Damn thats fucked up Sleazy. Did they offer a reason?
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:38 AM   #106
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moral of the story - NEVER TELL THE TRUTH
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:38 AM   #107
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Sorry to hear about your laptop..

They are looking for kp..and there has been several big busts here in ontario for kp going back and forth across the border.

My neighbor works for them and says when they get a laptop thats all they are looking for.

You'll be fine..its just a pain going thru getting it back etc..
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:41 AM   #108
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What was the reasoning behind confiscating it? Hope you don't have any bondage related materials on there. I had some content seized a few years back and ever since every parcel sent to me gets intercepted and opened.
My mail does have no ideal why. mail from out of the country
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now this sucks - comming home and canada customs seized my laptop computer so that one of their computer specialists can go through all the files.

I'm beyound shit scarded, not cause of any my content - no worries there - but because of spam. I hadn't emptied my email trash folder in a whille and I have no idea what's in there or if I'm liable for any of it - as customs people can be idiots when it comes to this kind of thing. Probally 10K plus spams in there.
I hate Their Fucking Gestapo Tactics. They Make you feel like a Criminal everytime you come home
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:48 AM   #110
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:48 AM   #111
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no kidding- the worst is i don't do anything illegial
you better be nice!!! bet they are reading your posts RAT now.

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Old 04-05-2004, 10:04 AM   #112
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I was stuck in customs for 3 hours getting called "sick" for having some of the trampoline footage on my camera. They apparently looked up the 2257 or whatever info to prove the model's ages and I managed to get out of there with my camera and the tape. I thought I was fucked. There were several guards around me and checking out the tape, they were hinting that it was illegal content which is ABSOLUTE FUCKING BULLSHIT.


Anyways, you are NOT innocent until proven guilty at customs. You as an adult webmaster are THE ENEMY. They WANT to nail your balls to the wall any way they can.


I will never, ever bring anything business related through customs again. Never will I bring cards, I will give my own cards out but I will not take any. There was a couple "fetish" cards along with a card that had the word "taboo" on it and they were hinting that I was involved in some sort of illegal activity.
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Old 04-05-2004, 10:05 AM   #113
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I hate Their Fucking Gestapo Tactics. They Make you feel like a Criminal everytime you come home


They are worse than any cop I've ever dealt with. Customs agents are all cocksmokers.
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Old 04-05-2004, 10:21 AM   #114
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I have known two dancers that have been searched going through Canada. They took their laptops, opened all their luggage and spread it out all over. Took cd's and whatever else tech related and a few hours later they got it all back, but were left to clean up the mess themselves.

Good luck dude!
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sorry to hear this sleazy. i am also redflagged with customs. coming back from a trip to NYC a couple of years ago I was missing a receipt for a watch i'd purchased for my girlfriend. they went apeshit, i had to pay a heavy tax, and was told that i would now be very likely to be pulled out of the line for the next 5 years.

fast forward to last year - my brother and i were crossing back into Canada, of course i'm pulled over. this time they wanted to look at my laptop. ended up spending over 3 hours going over all my adult stuff, with 2 agents. as soon as they caught wind i was involved in adult, we heard the female agent talking to someone over the phone, saying that they were holding and searching me 'for possible child porn files'. needless to say, after that we were getting seriously worried. went through absolutely everything on my drive. the guy was actually pretty cool, and i think he's the reason i was finally able to leave, *with* my computer. he kept saying, things like, 'yep looks very standard' - i'm sure this guy was an avid porn surfer!

i have not crossed the border since with any sort of computer hardware. and as long as i'm in adult, i never will again. with this latest incident, i'm sure i'm on the mega red-flagged list.

definitely sucks huge.
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Old 04-05-2004, 11:23 AM   #117
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fuck the whole worls is seriously fucked

the lasy told me my naked boobie shirt should be covered on the plane so as not to offend families....

that I could be kicked off the plane for shirts like that..

this was a senior stewardess..

I hate people
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Sleazy, that bites. The scary thing are the cache and stuff on a machine that you don't even know about.
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:19 PM   #122
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sorry to hear this sleazy. i am also redflagged with customs. coming back from a trip to NYC a couple of years ago I was missing a receipt for a watch i'd purchased for my girlfriend. they went apeshit, i had to pay a heavy tax, and was told that i would now be very likely to be pulled out of the line for the next 5 years.

fast forward to last year - my brother and i were crossing back into Canada, of course i'm pulled over. this time they wanted to look at my laptop. ended up spending over 3 hours going over all my adult stuff, with 2 agents. as soon as they caught wind i was involved in adult, we heard the female agent talking to someone over the phone, saying that they were holding and searching me 'for possible child porn files'. needless to say, after that we were getting seriously worried. went through absolutely everything on my drive. the guy was actually pretty cool, and i think he's the reason i was finally able to leave, *with* my computer. he kept saying, things like, 'yep looks very standard' - i'm sure this guy was an avid porn surfer!

i have not crossed the border since with any sort of computer hardware. and as long as i'm in adult, i never will again. with this latest incident, i'm sure i'm on the mega red-flagged list.

definitely sucks huge.

i found out in phoenix i'm the Largest traffic sender to the ASACP and I got the wind of the C P stuff from them too.

I don't understand why adult material means psooblble CP? that's the same logic as anyone carrying tobacco also having weed or anyone with asprin having acid.

I have to have a laptop with me when I travel, but from now on I'll be formating it before I come back to canada whipping everything clean.

this is insane - the agent told me they would call by 9 or 10 am - it's now almost 2pm. they're obviously going though EVERY file.
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:24 PM   #123
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i've been redlined MANY times before - always told the truth and been searched many times having them look over my adult stuff. nothing illgegial about it - never had a problem before.


moral of the story - NEVER TELL THE TRUTH
ya no point needing to say more then youneed to.. Say you work mainstream internet... who cares... will u ever see the customs person again.,.

Your nuts if you say, Ya i just came back froma porn convention...
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I have to have a laptop with me when I travel, but from now on I'll be formating it before I come back to canada whipping everything clean.


They'll just ask then what you have to hide.
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That totally sucks! Honestly I love Canada but sometimes you really have to wonder.......Canadian Customs seem to give Canadians such a hard time when returning from ANYWHERE, it toatally blows
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:40 PM   #126
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This is very upsetting for any of us crossing the border.

My story is somewhat "unique" in that, I'm a transman, with "F" on my canadian passport.

Queer people, let alone gender-ambiguous people are almost always stopped at the border. Certainly, that's been the case with me. I've been flying around the states a few times since my 2 month visit here in California. The odd thing is, going through security in airports is a *fucking* breeze for me. But the minute I'm speaking to a customs agent, I'm looked at a bit strangely, get asked a lot of questions... ie: "what do you do for a living", "how much money do you have while travelling", "Do you own your own home" etc etc. that's GOING to the US. (they assume if I go there for an extended period of time, I aim to stay there. Thank god I own my own house so they feel like I have a reason to come back!)

Coming back, I don't typically have a problem, but I'm now seriously thinking of amending what I say I do for a living. If they ask, I'll say self-employed. If they ask for more info, I'm going to say "technical consultant"... If I'm not carrying a laptop or carrying anything potentially incriminating, I'm going to ask for a lawyer.

It's one thing to be stopped at the border going into another country. I've been sent back before. But coming *in*, as a Canadian citizen? pppffft... I am going to assume I have some rights here.

No more electronics for me. My friends here in Cali have highspeed. All material will be kept on servers.

Has anyone tried creating "cover" sites... like mainstream websites to point to, when being interrogated?

I'm pissed off and scared. I come home in a few weeks, and Toronto is where I'm landing before flying to Halifax.

Tip for anyone on the east coast: AVOID TORONTO. My girlfriend says Halifax customs agents are the most laidback in the country.

Good luck Sleazy. This really really bites.
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:49 PM   #127
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fucking insanity, Sleazy... please keep us posted on what comes of all this, you've got me more than a little concerned about my upcoming trip to Tokyo next month, i travel a lot and have *never* had a customs official *anywhere* want to search my laptop for actual content, this is just ridiculous..



btw, what kind of laptop are we talking about here... model, value..?
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Sleazy That's horrible. Any news yet?

Hey Quiet your story isn't any better. You guys actually have me a little scared traveling home especially since they have a reason to go after me. That's nuts.
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now this sucks - comming home and canada customs seized my laptop computer so that one of their computer specialists can go through all the files.

I'm beyound shit scarded, not cause of any my content - no worries there - but because of spam. I hadn't emptied my email trash folder in a whille and I have no idea what's in there or if I'm liable for any of it - as customs people can be idiots when it comes to this kind of thing. Probally 10K plus spams in there.
I'm surprised the USA didn't ... They made wild-cat wait for a whole day when she was supposed to take her flight 2 days later . She missed the whole thing because of thoses assholes
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One plus for being black at Canadian Border crossings...If they don't think you're shipping drugs, they don't think you're good for anything else and let you slide on through...

Flying in from Mexico City to Toronto alone as a black man and receiving nothing but a stern look and ONE question and then stamping my passport is somewhat of a Miracle.

Same thing with driving into Windsor from Detroit...I get a stern look, ONE question, I tell them that I have liquor in the trunk, they DON'T bother searching the trunk to see if i'm telling the truth, and then wave me through.
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Old 04-05-2004, 04:44 PM   #131
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dont worry about the spam
everyone with an email acct gets spam
the custom guys to
and they know exactly what they are looking for
everything will be just fine.

when i was 20 i borrowed my mothers car and drove down to hamburg with some friends
young and stupid we parked the car the whole weekend
at the porno and drug district
when we came home the customs ripped out all seats and
went trough EVERY fucking door
they had got tips from german police of course
of course we didnt have anything but when they started
to go trough the car i suddenly got to thinking
what if someone planted drugs and is driving behind us
and would have picked it of the car when we came home..
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That's bad, Sleazy.

Maybe you should start cleaning up your home computers right now in case they raid your house next?

Remember what the U.S. government did to Randy Weaver!
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A couple things...Don't be calling your MP or raising a stink about this. If it comes to it back down and go buy another laptop.

I have to say to some extent it's your own fault for having adult files on your machine. They will absolutely look at everything to classify it. I actually keep a virgin machine for travel, and I carry the purchase receipt with me.

The downside to this is that if you think you were redflagged before, just wait you ain't seen nothin. I wouldn't cross the border in my own car if I were you.

And if anyone thinks that passwords or encrypted disk volumes will help forget it. They can get anything open.
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Canada Border Services Agency is the most powerful law enforcement agency in Canada when it comes to search and/or seizure..

Heck, if they suspect you are transporting contraband across the border, they can kick the door in on your property, that might be 1000 miles away from the border, and do a search w/o warrant.. try to get the RCMP, or any other police force in Canada to do that.. no way, it'd be thrown out of court immediately.

I hope for your sake Sleazy there wasn't anything on the notebook that might just be deemed "obscene material" .. if so, its a goner..

As for why did they search your laptop.. who knows.. could have been a smart ass response to a question, you seemed nervous, etc..

Did you have the identifcation card? As mentioned above that proves it was not a brand new laptop, etc. etc. That may have helped in avoiding the search..

Either which way, good luck with it.. hahahahaha to your MP and the appropriate Ministers..


Not true, the Canadian Fishery Officers are the most powerful law enforcement branch when it comes to search and seizure. Strange, but true.

Some info about them, if you are interested.
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What about traveling with a virgin machine and a cd with all the info. You can easily have the cd in a cd player or even with the person you are traveling with.
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Does this make any sense? Is this not... ehm.


Where warrant not necessary

(3) Notwithstanding subsection (1), a fishery officer may exercise the power of search referred to in that subsection without a warrant issued under subsection (2) if the conditions for obtaining the warrant exist but by reason of exigent circumstances it would not be practical to obtain the warrant.
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WTF? How can they just do that??? millions of people carry laptops everyday on flights! why would they pic you out???
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Old 04-05-2004, 06:15 PM   #138
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so do i, which is why i rarely leave the country anymore. instead i've been concentrating on exploring more of Canada. and yet another reason why i can't wait to get out of adult.

have you heard anything more about your computer? maybe you should wipe all your other drives, if it's taken this long to get back to you...
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Wow, that's got to be scary! I hope it all works out for you Scott!
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Old 04-05-2004, 07:52 PM   #140
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Unbelievably Fucked up. I can only imagine how pissed I would be. If they don't find anything, why do they keep you red flagged ?
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Old 04-05-2004, 08:23 PM   #142
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Any reason given why they took it?

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now this sucks - comming home and canada customs seized my laptop computer so that one of their computer specialists can go through all the files.

I'm beyound shit scarded, not cause of any my content - no worries there - but because of spam. I hadn't emptied my email trash folder in a whille and I have no idea what's in there or if I'm liable for any of it - as customs people can be idiots when it comes to this kind of thing. Probally 10K plus spams in there.
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Old 04-05-2004, 08:24 PM   #143
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Where are all the USA Bashers now?

Sounds like Canada is fucked up!

I hope you get your laptop back and everything turns out for you Sleazy
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Sounds like Canada is fucked up!

I hope you get your laptop back and everything turns out for you Sleazy
I can't say *any* country has "nice" customs officers. I've tolerated em... at lot... a few times till they were told to fuck off.

The worst were in Europe followed by the US (this was before 9/11 - I'd hate to think what it is like now - I deliberately fly "anywhere" to avoid the US)

Sleazy... I wish you luck with your laptop and hope you don't have any crap shit over this!
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Old 04-05-2004, 09:34 PM   #146
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so do i, which is why i rarely leave the country anymore. instead i've been concentrating on exploring more of Canada. and yet another reason why i can't wait to get out of adult.

have you heard anything more about your computer? maybe you should wipe all your other drives, if it's taken this long to get back to you...
good advise.
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Most folks don't realize that customs of most countries, including the U.S., can and does on occasion search/confiscate people's belongings for pictures and other materials that are potentially obscene.

With that said, one should only keep the minimal amount of data and passwords (don't save usernames/passwords on the laptop - enter them manually every time.), etc needed to conduct business. Keep the rest stored remote and be prepared to lose the laptop and related gear - shit happens!

One should have extra funds readily available (and/or know how to find an internet cafe - caution: many are very unsecure!) for obtaining a new laptop fast and have a procedure for getting back up and running - pretty easy actually if one keeps their critical stuff stored remotely.

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I know there was talk of you using OSX at one point. If you were I am curious
to know if you had File Vault turned on. And if you did if it was protecting your whole hard drive or just your porn.
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Most folks don't realize that customs of most countries, including the U.S., can and does on occasion search/confiscate people's belongings for pictures and other materials that are potentially obscene.

With that said, one should only keep the minimal amount of data and passwords (don't save usernames/passwords on the laptop - enter them manually every time.), etc needed to conduct business. Keep the rest stored remote and be prepared to lose the laptop and related gear - shit happens!

One should have extra funds readily available (and/or know how to find an internet cafe - caution: many are very unsecure!) for obtaining a new laptop fast and have a procedure for getting back up and running - pretty easy actually if one keeps their critical stuff stored remotely.

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i was able to re-constitute pretty quicky - but that's really good advise Ron - thank you.
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so have you heard something yet sleazy ?
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