Where have you been, the world is turning.

Shut the fuck up you idiot. Do the world a favor.

yup i'm not believing the hacked hogwash either

pass the popcorn

He made a very good point..."we did not give permission of its use" opposed to "we did not provide".

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I also got the letter and it was addressed to two different company names on the same envelope. Both were mine but Matrix was the only one that had both. The old name hasnt been used in a long time.

as i look over all my sponsors and content provider accounts, matrix is one of the few that have my full real name as patti cake, which is the name that acacia sent the letter to me as.

i don't claim that matrix did it, but they are one of very few that could have using that name. i haven't found another yet, but there may be one or two more.

I will bumb this for you.

But if you did't sign that licens, you would not have to fight for your companies reputation.

Can you tell me, did you make any other deals with Acacia than pay 2% ?
What i want to hear you to say is: There is nothing in that paper from Acacia, there is forcing you to give you buyers info to Acacia and that you did't get a better deal, than every other webmaster.

I'll guess I'll say it again in case it was missed.

The people above have Matrix's client list... in the very least their email databases. :2 cents:

Has it been established if Acacia also got Matrix's list of URL's that the content was licensed on?

If you got a letter, did they list the URL's that Matrix had licensed for the content?

With it, Acacia would be able to connect websites and companies together who they might not be able to otherwise.

I don't see why Matrix or anyone else would sell or give away a list of the specific URL's where people licensed content on. Even if they sold email lists of webmasters, or addresses, did the list of license URL's get out too?

Let's keep this on the first page :)

i was thinking same too actually. i think she just a matrix ass kisser anyway blah. but he makes a VERY good point.

Here's my situation:

I've got the package from Acacia for the old even non-registered company name & for old address which I probably left at Matrix content. What's interesting: the site I've got the package for had only 2 videos at all. It was babe site & there were just 2 bonus videos, 1 from FocusContent & the second one from Matrix.

So I really think, Norman, that you database has been stolen somehow. I know that you're honest & respectable person & would never sell or share this base with anyone. I hope this will help.

Thank you.

*bump*

Not sure if this helps but I got the letter and I did signup for Matrix but it was recent in the last 5 months.

But alot of companies have the same information. So I can't pinpoint who sent it.

Business is dirt . he can say all he want but I won't buy anything from there until he PROVEN he's not given it . Last week a webmaster asked me where too buy content and I told him matrix . Today I had to tell him not too buy anything . How am I supposed to look like ? Anyways no doubt for me until you prove youre innocent

how can he prove it ? only starting to sue them ? :) how can he do that ? only if we'll help :) at least with the info

Well this is the first I've heard of the Matrix/Acacia debacle. Looks like you have a lot of people rooting for you Norman. Now, I don't know you from Adam, but I wanted to say good luck! Sounds like it's going to be a tough week ahead for you, and I just wanted to say that I just read the whole thread and I'm rooting for you to!

No, I did not mean my system got hacked.

Sorry, my post might have been a little confusing.

What I meant was, Norman never followed up about the emails like he said he would.

I assumed he would follow up with info that they were hacked, or an ex-employee leaked the db's or whatever. That quote was an example of what I expected he might have followed up with.

But since he didn't follow up, I just added the emails (that were registered and tagged with matrix) to the spam blacklist.

Quick reminder - though the focus of this thread is Matrix.. Matrix is not the only company who's settled with Acacia, or who's considering settling with them. Nor should just those who have settled be the focus. Those who have remained silent through this are saying a lot by not addressing these issues. :2 cents:

100 Webmasters who should subscribe to bugtraq before pointing fingers



I am pretty sure the only thing that matrix is guilty of in this case is the same thing that 99% of you reading this thread are -- not keeping your servers software and any canned scripts you run patched up free of vulnerabilities. :2 cents:

And if you think "oooh but my hosting company takes care of that stuff for me". In most cases (even if you pay for managed service) you're probably wrong & if you DON'T pay for managed services - you're definitely wrong.

Any true admins care to back me up on that one?

The net is a mess. Probably 80-90% of home users out there are hacked (via trojans or loaded down with spyware).

And a good portion of the webservers out there are vulnerable because webmasters seem to think their hosts will keep them up to date and safe from the bad guys.


Who knows what really happend here, but I would say that the chances are good that Matrix was hacked somehow.

Its easy to say weve been hacked, or someone stole our list, or an employee did it. It nicely defers the blame doesnt it. If that list is out there (I dont know if it is or isnt) then there is no defering the blame, its been sold or given up and that is a shitty thing to do! Making excuses wont change that

I've posted not only who it might be, but who it is two times in this thread so far.

Well I've posted the things being spammed to the matrix emails and the account ID and program name that was used anyway.

I hate to be repetitive... should I post it again? Nah.. if anyones curious just search.

I just posted this in another thread and am posting it here too just to help things along while we wait for Norman to get back.

Instead of speculating - go into action. Here are some things you can do to get answers. If you ever have to goto court you'll have a record of what certain entities have said to you.

A) Send an email to your billing companies and Sponsors with these questions:

1) In the terms of our contract are you allowed to give my personal information to a third party?
2) Have you given my personal information to a third party in any way, ever?
3) If you have given my personal information to a third party why? Who did you give it to?
4) If you have given my personal information to a third party I request contact information for the third party.

* Make sure they answer these questions point by point. If you ever goto court you'll have written documentation of what these entities told you regarding your personal information with them.

B) Research what happened with Holio. There case was DISMISSED.. which means that it's possible Acacia dropped it. Why would Acacia do that? Does Holio have a case pending against Acacia in a California court? What are the claims being made in that case? Is Acacia being sued by Holio for breaking a deal? I don't believe Holio has signed a license with Acacia so what deal has been broken, if any?

C) After you start getting results from the different processors and sponsors... post the results on here.

Remember.. this doesn't all come down to one person or company. There are a few involved and we need answers and doing what I detail above will help us all start getting some answers.

Inapropriate!!:(

He had a point..

Look, I don't particularly like matrix or NLB after him dropping the ball on our correspondence.

But the fact is, hacks happen. They can happen at the server level, they can happen at the client level (trojans, keylogs etc)


You for instance Johnny, might consider upgrading (or getting your admin to upgrade) your server :2 cents:

The % of peoples home computers and web servers vulnerable to hacks is pretty scary actually.

I just think its a little hippocritical to critisize people who've been hacked if your aren't in tune with your own security practices.



edit: took the specific vuln I saw on your box out as to not make it apparent to everyone reading. And of course that wasn't a threat or anything.. just trying to make a point here.

You didn't know? LadyMischief and sexeducation have this viseral spite for one another. It's a love hate kind of thing. :1orglaugh

LM is cheating on Grogan?

For shame!

:1orglaugh

:helpme

Im not saying it isnt possible...... What Im saying if you read my thread is, its all very easy blaming someone or something else.

You think Acacia are hacking into servers, or buying stolen lists? Wouldnt it be easier just to buy a list?

Plus in the acacia licence you give them permision to go through your accounts, so its very easy for them to see who sells what and whos affilated to who.

GoBigtime sometimes things are plain and simple, but I agree sometimes (not often) they are not

Folks, look at what you're saying. Acacia bought stolen lists?
You must be crazy.

Acacia is made up of lawyers.
They KNOW the consequences of purchasing stolen property.
They KNOW that if they did this, it WOULD come out in court and implicate their company in much worse criminal charges - most likely felonies, given the value of such a list.
They also did NOT hack into anyone's server and steal a list - these guys aren't even sure whether their patents cover Flash or live video, but you expect them to be advanced enough to hack into (or hire someone to hack into) a secure server? Stop with the wishful thinking and use some COMMON SENSE - although I know that's in short supply on GFY...

Acacia did NOT buy a stolen list, or hack into anyone's server and steal it themselves. They were GIVEN a list.

:glugglug

Finally someones STARTING to get the picture!

Do you think they have a consultant? VERY industry specific information is being given to get us right where it counts.. only a successful insider would know how to get our personal info. Who is it? What peope/person in our industry would benefit from working with an intellectual property company like Acacia? Is there anyone in our industry who has started an intelectual property company themselves? These are important questions that need to be brought public so people can see the big picture.

[QUOTE]Folks, look at what you're saying. Acacia bought stolen lists?
You must be crazy.

Acacia is made up of lawyers.
They KNOW the consequences of purchasing stolen property.
They KNOW that if they did this, it WOULD come out in court and implicate their company in much worse criminal charges - most likely felonies, given the value of such a list.
They also did NOT hack into anyone's server and steal a list - these guys aren't even sure whether their patents cover Flash or live video, but you expect them to be advanced enough to hack into (or hire someone to hack into) a secure server? Stop with the wishful thinking and use some COMMON SENSE - although I know that's in short supply on GFY...

Acacia did NOT buy a stolen list, or hack into anyone's server and steal it themselves. They were GIVEN a list.QUOTE]

I have to agree with this 100% Im not saying it isnt possible technically, but there is no point, when there are 100's of webmasters willing to sell their lists.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Johny Traffic

Quote:

Folks, look at what you're saying. Acacia bought stolen lists? You must be crazy. Acacia is made up of lawyers. They KNOW the consequences of purchasing stolen property. They KNOW that if they did this, it WOULD come out in court and implicate their company in much worse criminal charges - most likely felonies, given the value of such a list. They also did NOT hack into anyone's server and steal a list - these guys aren't even sure whether their patents cover Flash or live video, but you expect them to be advanced enough to hack into (or hire someone to hack into) a secure server? Stop with the wishful thinking and use some COMMON SENSE - although I know that's in short supply on GFY... Acacia did NOT buy a stolen list, or hack into anyone's server and steal it themselves. They were GIVEN a list.QUOTE] I have to agree with this 100% Im not saying it isnt possible technically, but there is no point, when there are 100's of webmasters willing to sell their lists.

:thumbsup

Norman, If you knew damn sure it wasn't you- your message would have sounded a bit more confident. Now you're saying your systems may have been compromised.

This smells fishy. Put the pipe down and talk to us straight. DID MATRIX DISH UP THE INFO? Whether it was you , Robbye or someone at your company. All fingers are pointing to you and your statements don't seem strong.

If you were ripped off by someone, even though it was your boxes you will not be blamed. YOUR FUCKING SECURITY SUCKS BUT PEOPLE WON'T TARNISH YOU PERSONALLY.

Fess up. What's up?

No actually, but I tend not to listen to anything from idiots who run supposed "adult" sites with pictures of children on them and advertises them on forums where children frequent (in reference to Sexed).

I was not trying to imply that the Matrix database hadn't been comprimised. However Why would Norman lie about not knowing how it got out there? What does he stand to gain? Would he not think the truth would come out sooner or later? I see no reason why he would lie about this, because it would only serve to further damage his and Matrix's reputation if he WAS just trying to cover his ass with a sob story.. don't you think? It's easy to try to lay blame on the most convenient target in bad situations like this, but let's not get the lynch mob armed before some facts are known, shall we?

As for being a Matrix ass-kisser, actually, Matrix is my COMPETITION if you want to be technical. I have absolutely no reason to kiss their ass, and if one were to think about it, would I not be better off if they went down? However, I don't play that way in business, especially when I know a person is solid.

I can say this ... many of you know I do work for a bunch of hosting companies including a lot of private clients and the level of updates to servers is sickening.

This week alone I have logged into servers that are still running freebsd 4.1 and 4.5 and a few redhat boxes still running 5.2 and 6.0.

I won't even discuss ssh, apache, and php.