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Owned :ak47:

Jesus. This is like buying a car, finding out that it's stolen, putting a sign in the window..

"this car was stolen and I bought it, if it is yours, let me know."

Then you park the car in your garage for a year.

Decide one day to take it for a drive and get caught with it.

Your rebuttle was.. "But.. But.. I tried to find out who the owner was."

DON'T FUCKING DRIVE THE CAR.

Brad. I woudn't come down so hard... but you always act like your shit "don't stink". Do the right thing, pull the sites.

me too! brad doesn't seem to be intentionally wanting to rob people of designs. why drag the issue out on a the public board before attempting to sort things out privately first anyways?

So if someone is selling stolen content, somehow the buyer has rights to it?

:helpme

:1orglaugh

So then how did the conversation between Brad and Amp go when he was looking to compensate designers way back when?

I don't see what else he could have done...esp if he said he'd spoke to AMP about it in the past...was it a beat around the bush convo? Or did you guys 'talk talk' about it? The only ones that can answer that is you two...


All I can guess is that Brad pissed in someone's wheaties and it's drama time tonight?

nonetheless, an interesting show

:glugglug

Well timed :thumbsup

Amp and I have always been friends. Again, I can't even comprehend how his memory has lapsed so bad and even if it did why it is that he didn't contact me privately first. He, like myself, thought it was a fuck job that I paid $6000 and said that the debt was Duane's and he didn't want anything from me.

Brad

:BangBang:

Did he think you weren't going to use it?

I would have.

So what's Amp and Lensman's take on this then ? Seems like stirring up old shit that was already settled because the program is now launched, I could be wrong though.

Where's Amp?

you think someone would offer $ for something they didnt plan on using?

i feel for you hopefully this mess gets cleaned up

I got new foglights I haven't installed in months :Graucho

Amp is writing one of those big long fuck you letters :1orglaugh

Deeprub

that's the question.

Could go both ways.. huh? Create confusion? Problems?

that's what happen when you deal with dirty shit. Either before or after you find out it's dirty.

Brad knew the risk. You can't tell me he didn't think this might come bite him back?

Anyone else not get paid?

Heyyyyyyyyy

I was just thinking, I know it's late and all....

but is it even possible this is another 'talk shit' post to bring some attention to Brad's new program?


hmmmmm

:glugglug

On page 2 of this thread, you posted a link establishing that Traci sold you unpaid designs: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...pagenu mber=3

So are you going to pay the designer(s), or use stolen content?

How simple do you want it?

Amp works for Lens on an exclusive basis

A new program launches that was designed in a large part by Amp

Suddenly, exclusivity doesn't mean quite as much as it did.

Removed.

"Exclusivity" does not extend to prior work.

go back to kindergarten. You have failed.

This is bullshit, Brad either stop using the sites our pay Amp his regular rate for each site of his you're using. If someone sells you a stolen car, you don't get to keep it. You've admitted that you knew they were stolen, it's very suprising to see you use them.

do you have any concept of how uncool it is to post up private ICQ convos?



I was going to let this drop, but you can count on full burn now.

As far as I knew Lensman, I sought out all designers and made amends with them - Amp included. If he's changed his mind from way back when and wants me to pay this Duane's debt that's OK, all he has to do is ask. Lynching me first before talking to me for something I so obviously tried to correct a long time ago just makes me wonder if there is some other agenda involved here.

Brad

SimEmpire, you habe totally hung yourself with that ICQ, you are totally on notice that you were dealing with theives.

Amp, I read the history and all I saw in there was friendly chat between you and I so I posted it. You don't want that here, ok, I deleted it. Right in the middle is a small part where you and I were talking about Duane.

Why aren't you just picking up the phone and calling me to discuss this matter?

Brad

Fuck. Remind me never to ICQ with Brad.

Regardless of the situation, that's like recording a telephone call and posting the call online.

F U C K E D

I think you are right now.

Nope - I didn't say that.
Apparently a year ago, Amp didn't feel that getting paid for doing these sites was important.
Now he does?
And going public is better than trying to settle this professionally in private first?

The whole thing stinks.
I give you props for standing up for your employee Lens, but Amp seriously could've handled this in a much better (and more professional) way.

.

yeah? how else is a guy supposed to protect his reputation when year old issues and accusations are dragged out into the public forum? there was obviously a miscommunication breakdown somewhere and now brad's reputation is on the line.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Here's the extent of my ethics, Lens:

I bought that stuff and got screwed. Nonetheless, when I bought it I paid cash and gave 12 months of trade in hosting too. Even after finding out that I got screwed, I held my end of the bargain with hosting as agreed upon. I also made efforts and found and subsequently spoke to the different designers, none of which considered Duane's debt to be transcended to me and all of the understood that I was going to use the sites eventually.

Like I've said above, if Amp now would like me to pay him for any of the work that Duane didn't pay him for OK - just let me know man. It was always that simple.

Brad

not year old.... he bought the shit a year ago. The accusations are dated today. Wake the fuck up or shut the fuck up.

Thus the title of this thread: SinEmpire, are you going to pay Amp for the sites you are using?

Dude.. the issue as I see it is not so much payment... as it is that Brad is building his "empire" by using known stollen designs.

You don't try and fix it. You don't try and make it right. You WASH your hands of it and WALK THE FUCK AWAY.

That's what seperates the business men from the cheaters.

If you don't get that, then I feel sorry for you.

Lens are you getting a collection fee?

Some people need to go back and read the Brad Shaw thread about how he dog people out on the board...Some of you trash him for it...anybody remember those threads :1orglaugh

But this guy seems to be trying to do anything he can...everything he says just seems to get him in deeper...I feel bad for him :1orglaugh

Poor guy was asleep in bed when all this started.

All this over $3000

Deeprub

Oh go fuck yourself. I've never, ever screwed anyone or taken a shortcut in business.

So, Amp, how much do I owe you and for what site(s) design work? I can't believe there ever would have been a doubt in your mind that I wouldn't have made any situation right if it wasn't.

Brad

No doubt that Amp wouldn't see a dime without this thread, if he sees any at all.

There are few people in this industry who can match Brad Mitchell in his level of integrity and professionalism.
I'm quite confident that when Amp responds to Brad's repeated offers to communicate; things will be resolved to the satisfation of both parties.
It's a crappy situation all around, and neither position is an enviable one. The only solution though is for both sides to agree to work it out, rather than the current lynching that's happening here tonight.

Not only are these designs STOLEN, but they CONVERT LIKE A MUSLIM ON DEATH ROW IN TEXAS!!!

And we pay $35 a join, on time, everytime.

PS - They're stolen.

Amp, simple question - what compensation will it take for you to consider this matter solved? Dollar or percentage figure.

Brad has again offered to pay for the designs. Give the man a figure so this can be settled professionally. No one is benefitting from this mudfight.

Christ, and who the fuck are you? Some newb that registered last month. Stay out of the adult's conversation.

Business man, phhht. fuck off gallery bitch.

How many times were you burned in a similar manner where you just walked away. Easy to say that when you havent dropped x amount of money on design.

What the fuck are you talking about? What on god's green earth would lead either yourself, Amp or ANYBODY else to believe that I wouldn't right a wrong? I'm not Duane/Pensfan, I'm not a cheat, I'm not a thief and I'm not a liar. I've never wronged anybody here on GFY and I've never screwed anyone else in the industry either.

What gives guys?

Brad

200 :thumbsup

You don't know the exact issue, so don't pretend like you do and base your response on what you think what's happening. If you can't directly answer my question, then don't respond to it at all.