700

Just because someone I dislike works at McDonalds doesn't mean I'm not going to eat there, or cause the manager to not let me eat there.

700....damnit! goodnight.

well this isnt really mcdonalds either

would a black guy go to a klan rally to speak his mind

contact him for what? He wasn't using them.

he never offered any cash to me that I know of.
? Yes?
He launched the shit TODAY dumbass. How the fuck was I supposed to know? You think I got some inside line on what the fuck Brad is going to do tomorrow?

best of luck to Brad & Amp working this out.

So he never offered you anything for the designs like he said he did in this thread?
And you didn't think it was a good idea to give him a call or whatever before starting a bitching thread that he already tried to resolve ages ago? You didn't even give him a chance to get it sorted out.
And apparently you have no clue of how much you want and what you designed since you are not answering his questions?

Whoa, de ja vu

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=115358


http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=115368

like I've said a hundred times in this thread, he WASN'T FUCKING USING THEM. Why the fuck should I care about something that someone ISN'T USING.

A "chance to sort it out"???? Are you fucking kidding me with this? He bought that shit over a year ago. If he had intentions of using it, his "intentions should have been more than one thread that I may or may not notice. Especially when he's FULLY AWARE that he bought stolen shit.

And as far as answering his questions and declaring what I want, for the umteenth fucking time, I ALREADY SAID OVER AND OVER I WILL POST THE SHIT TOMORROW YOU BLIND DEAF FUCK!

You're not the bad guy. Brad is not the bad guy. You may be an asshole, but you're not the bad guy. Pensfan is quite clearly the bad guy here.

When you told Brad that he had nothing to worry about and that Pensfan was the thief and you were going to settle the debt with him, what exactly did you mean?

The money was supposed to go like this:

Brad > Pensfan > Amp

So. Brad pays for the designs, at the time not knowing they were actually stolen. Pens decides not to pay you. He rips off you and Brad. Now, because you're an idiot, and you're incapable of getting the money out of Pensfan, you decide to go after Brad.

End result?

Brad > Amp
       > Pens

Brad ends up paying over twice as much for designs as he originally intended. You get what you're entitled to, and oh.. the real crook makes off with 6 grand and all he got was a verbal licking. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo. Call a collection agency you asshat, and actually go after the person who owes you money.

You've completely misplaced the blame.

Funny you should mention that. When Brad bought them, he was unaware they were stolen. However, didn't Amp already know all about how much of a shadey prick Pensfan was? Wasn't he involved in the whole Hungryman thing? Amp knew about that for a hell of a long time, yet he still did business with pensfan?

And now you're saying that Brad deserves the repurcussions. That's laughable.

I'm not sure why this would be considered any different from someone coming to the board with a picture set they found somewhere, and asking around who owns it. Then if they didn't get a response, just using it in their galleries.

If the original photographer found the pic set being used inappropriately, he would take a course of action to have it removed or for the infringing user to pay copyright royalties. But he can't do that until the set is used commercially obviously.

Seems like common sense that if someone inquiring about the ownership of a particular item never discovers the source, they simply don't use it. The same goes for a design. If you don't have the artist's permission to use it, you just don't use it.

All the commotion about how this particular situation was handled seems secondary to the fact that something was put into commercial use that shouldn't have been.

Anyway, good luck to both parties at coming to a final resolution that satisfies both of you.

Wrong (Count #1). Brad KNEW the shit was hot.
Wrong (Count #2) Brad is not in the clear here. He bought stolen gear. Period. Yes, Brad is the one that gets fucked here. Pensfan (The Crook) as you said, get outed even more. Nothing more than a meaningless verbal lashing. I certainly am not about to be fucked.... and most definately not twice on the same work. So yeah.... Brad paid a conman for some stolen shit...

sorry. Not my problem. It was MY shit that was fucking stolen jackass.

The designs are still Amps
http://shemp.com/wapner.jpg

Sorry I'm just a bit confused.
From what I understand you knew he bought the deisgns, and offered the the designers money for the designs. But you didn't care because at that point he wasn't using the designs at that point.
But then he puts the designs online and first thing you do is bitch that you didn't receive payment for some designs you knew he had bought and you knew he had offered money for them to the designers that didn't receive their payment?
I don't understand why you didn't contact him telling him that now that he use them you would like payment for them since they still belong to you.
You apparently know him very well and have done business with him before so make no sence to me the way this issue has been handled.

maybe you're just stupid?

What makes you so sure? Or is this just you speculating?

So you're not even going to go after the guy that <i>actually</i> ripped you off other than a few verbal "ownings" ? That's pretty fucking pathetic. Pensfan had nothing to lose. You giving him a verbal bashing isn't going to do shit to him. Brad's got a solid business. You're dragging his good name through the mud. All you had to do was email him. That fucking simple. You're like a goddamn 12 year old looking for as much attention as possible.

Oh, and what's with the inconsistencies. On one hand, you say that you didn't care because he wasn't using them at the time, and on the other, you say you didn't even read the thread. Please explain.

What a great comment :thumbsup
You really nailed me now :helpme
Mayby you could help me understand then?

You guys are way too complicated and emotional

1. Who did the work?
2. Was the work paid for?
3. Is there a record of payment
4. Is the work acceptable to the end user?

AMEN

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What makes you so sure? Or is this just you speculating?
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Are you on fucking crack? He fucking admitted it a YEAR AGO.


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So you're not even going to go after the guy that actually ripped you off other than a few verbal "ownings" ? That's pretty fucking pathetic. Pensfan had nothing to lose. You giving him a verbal bashing isn't going to do shit to him. Brad's got a solid business. You're dragging his good name through the mud. All you had to do was email him. That fucking simple. You're like a goddamn 12 year old looking for as much attention as possible.[
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jesus christ...




do you honestly think I didn't do everything I could to get my fucking money from Duane? Do you really think I'm THAT goddamned inept? HE'S A FUCKING CROOK! This is NOT the first thing he's JACKED me for. Nor the first time he's JACKED many other people.

Brad's got a solid business huh..... that's why he's paying bottom dollar for STOLEN gear.

Yeah... that's as fucking SOLID as it gets you fucking tool.




open your fucking eyes you waterhead.


The idiots are beginning to find their way under my skin here.... I fear an onset of Captain and Coke. And consider this fair warning.... if I hook up with the Captain again, the Devil only knows what's gonna happen.


I've had just about enough of the "Idiot Takeover" here.

You are correct.
And Brad is willing to pay.
And he never tried to elude it.
And he acted like a businessmen.

But what AMP has pulled here is very unprofessional.

I got your unprofessional in my pants.


I'm done.


this will be dealt with tomorrow.

not quite....
Because of the circumstances, Brad had to ensure he covered his ass before he used the designs. He has the most to lose by using stolen work, therefore he had to protect himself by coming to an agreement with Amp, before the sites were online.

You are right.
And I don't know anything about their private convos (and they did take place)

But this was a pretty bad stunt to pull on Brad.
Everything could have been easily fixed on ICQ / Phone.
This was clearly an attempt to sink his new program.

Can someone shorten this thread for me please, I don't feel like going through all these pages when nothing actually happend :winkwink:

Umm. No. He didn't know they were stolen when he bought them. Please show me where he said that.

I don't think you did. Did you pass the debt onto a collection agency?

Pens ripped you off before even that time? And you were stupid enough to do business with him again? In the words of the oh so wise Lensman:

<strike>Sin</strike> Amp, you chose to do business with a known theif, you deserve the repurcussions.


You're going to turn into a rambling drunk, as per usual?

:1orglaugh

again, i cant comment on the dynamic, because i dont know either of the guys that well. however, i learned a long time ago to estimate what can possibly go wrong, multiply it by 10 and then prepare for it. :)

Words to live by.

:thumbsup

Yes, but Brad said:

If this is true (ie Amp had previously told Brad that no payment was required), then Lens and Amp have fucked-up royally by taking this issue public before attempting a private resolution. But if Brad is lying, he's clearly the one who fucked-up.

So who's telling the truth? Amp or Brad?

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Brad is telling the truth.

"He said, he said" is impossible to prove, thats why i mentioned invoices, bill of sales etc earlier on. Again, i have to say that Brad should have ensured that all the i's were dotted.

No criticism intended, sometimes you have to know how to avoid trouble. BS avoidance is a big part of business, Brad is usually pretty damn good at it.

That is good advice, no question about it :thumbsup

Man, just tell me, if you were in AMP's shoes, whould you start all this board shit-throwing or try to solve this privately ?

I wonder why Sobe and AMA haven't posted? :Graucho

the roosters verdict after reading all this...


Brad is in the right. This type of thread seems like a broken record for this amp fellow who got into alot of bad deals because he dosent know how to run a business. Then to trash one of the only people with a clean rep in this biz a year later seems really uncalled for.

they're both correct.... if this were a legal thing where someone bought 'fenced' stolen goods, the buyer would get pinched, but once he gave up who his source was, if it can be proven it wasnt himself, then the guy who got pinched should get off the hook...

either way, IMHO i think brad should give a little sumthin sumthin to amp so he can keep his pristine reputation, and silence amps big cockholster from further attempts at damaging brads rep....

:2 cents:

(IV) Essential Parts of a Contract:
1. Agreement: Offer and Acceptance
2. Consideration
3. Legal Capacity
4. Legal Purpose

#1, #2 and #4 have not been met in this situation, therefore, a valid contract has not been made.

SinEmpire needs to come to terms with Amp (#1), compensate him (#2), and understand that the purpose of this is to legally own the rights to use the design (#4).

:2 cents:

I JUST READ THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD.

Why? WHY?

Holy crap ... ok I might have missed it before ..... but ....

This is all over a measely 6k ??? You mean I have wasted a few hours of my life on a thread of drama over a mere $6k ?

hahahaha !

Lens wipes his ass with at least a few $k.

Holy shit, i just read this entire thread!
Ive been doing this for a living since 1998, and Brad Mitchell is one of the, if not the most, honest and sincere persons I have ever done business with. He is a true proffesional does not deserve to be slandered.
Whether he is in the right or wrong, a public message boad is no place for private business matters.

god damn this thread got long real quickly

Lensman wants to win the XBox

Wise words as always Shemp.

You mentioned that Brad should have protected himself by coming to an agreement with Amp before the sites were online. I fully agree with you.

The issue is, i believe that Brad DID feel that he protected himself over a year ago when he asked Amp about paying him. Upon Amp saying no, and that Amp would take it up with Duane himself, my guess is that Brad did in fact feel like he protected his interests. He did what he felt was the right thing..asking to pay the designers that got screwed.

Now weather Brad even asked Amp to pay him a year ago or attempted to discuss it with him, well....only them two know the truth. And wether or not Brad paid anyone else (if there was anyone else to pay) who knows.

To be honest though, i can't see Brad avoiding something like this. Even once he realized he bought stolen art work a year ago, he came and posted everything here on GFY and asked the designers to come forward so he can work it out with them. I think some said he knew before he bought them, but again, only those people will ever know.

Tough one for all parties involved, but i think it could have been easily avoided by a phone call. Both parties seem reasonable enough.

What a crock of shit. With no dissrespect, your acting like a bunch of 12 year old girls.

This could have in taken care of privately, I dont think there was need to bring it live like this. VERY unprofesional...VERY.

I 've used this board twice for dead beat sponsors who didnt pay me. But that was after many many emails, phone calls and such. WTF!

:2 cents:

Bad form. NOTHING in this thread that couldn't have been solved by picking up the phone.