newbiewebmistress

I didn't want to come out here begging for more help, but I can't take it any more. I finally got my gallery done after months and threw some of the best traffic at it. But, I am not converting. What am I doing wrong?
Currently I am converting 1:89 on freeticketcash. I know that I need help, because this is a free site. Can ANYONE offer any advice, besides the usual negative 'go flip burgers' response?
I have Wegcash at the top for now, in the best place on the gallery. I just changed the site to a cheerleader site. Hopefully this will do better. Can someone give me any advice on this? What exactly do you see that I am doing wrong?

Thanks,
NWM

Oops, I thought for sure I had included it.

http://www.phonetease.com/hotnudeteen.htm

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mule

I think you might need to post a link to the gallery.

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BVF

It must suck to have to depend on freeticketcash for your sole source of online income......

I couldn't even see myself coming in as a newbie in 2003 with no talent to create my own content and pushing a for-free program...

and you don't even have the url posted of the gallery you want critiqued.....pay attention to the details or you won't make jack shit....

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give us the link of your Gallery

UnseenWorld

Those "free for your personal information" sites become unattractive after a while. I imagine most surfers have tried one at least once and found them disappointing.

Those repeating background patterns ("wallpaper" or whatever you want to call them) are kind of old hat nowadays. I stopped using them in my designs about five years ago. You need something a little fancier in terms of graphics. At least a nice banner, but even better, some sort of artistic graphic (not text) type for your headline.

The girl is a babe, but she seems not to fit the text, which talks about cheerleaders, bleachers, and locker rooms.

Finally, your use of capitalization seems random. If you capitalize "Videos" at the top, why not capitalize "pics" and "live sex"? Also, it's spelled "their" not "thier."

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newbiewebmistress

Sowwy about that. I added it to the post above, but here is the link again:



http://www.phonetease.com/hotnudeteen.htm

Something is going on with my comp, b/c it keeps freezing up when I click the http, button.

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newbiewebmistress

Alright, Unseen. I see what you mean, with the free sites. The only reason I was promoting them was because someone told me to start with free sites until I got the hang of it. So, I'll change to a paysite instead. I'll switch it to another 'barely legal' sponsor, which is where my gallery is located on the TGP. I had just changed it to the cheerleader sponsor, because the other site wouldn't convert.
As far as the gallery itself goes, I don't know if I can edit the style of it, because I bought the template and I don't know if it's against thier rules or not. I will check and see. But, the grammar and all is fixable. So, thanks for your advice.

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misty3k

I'm pretty much a newbie myself, but I thought if you got a gallery posted on any of the TGPs, and then you change the gallery even a little bit, the gallery would get nuked and you might end up getting blacklisted. Am I mistaken about that?

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Alex From San Diego

The gallery itself isn't that bad but it is missing a little punch...sort of boring...

Here are three samples that you might want to take a look at.

Please note that we took the graphics that Amp did for our tour and just manipulated them into our galleries....

Template 1

Template 2

Template 3

I hope this helps you with an idea of what works for us...

There are many variables to consider when making galleries.

Good Luck

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newbiewebmistress

This gallery is listed on Choker's site, so in the rules it says we can change the text/link or sponsor we are promoting, but not the content or the general layout.

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pimplink

Take out the top graphics and incorporate it into the rest of the gallery. Also, tell a story and SELL YOUR SPONSOR--do the Who what why rule for journalism--who is the site selling, what is their difference/value, why should the surfer sign up.

If you need any other help, feel free to post here.


Wishing you the best and remember "you only fail if you quit"!

Pimplink

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take a look at ur gallery again, whats first thing u notice, pics or advertisement?

I basically just see all the pics, the advertisment text is OUT of the way, squashed to the side for example, the idea is to break there attention from a pic to the text so put text in the middle or in between some pics anything make advertisement interrupt them.

Anyhow

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ZoiNk

If you are paying for traffic to that site, put on the stop button. You need to learn more about selling, or make that gallery a lot dirtier if you are paying for traffic to it. Also, saying "no credit card required" to me makes me think of a $10/minute dialer. Something like "Only requires a valid email address for full access" would have a better success rate in my opinion. But others are right, it just doesn't have any Bang to it.

Surf www.thehun.net and look at the top 15 galleries. These are paid placements, and once you see the difference between those and yours, you will learn how to sell better.
ZoiNk

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defresto

I would say only one thing...
DORKS CAN'T READ!!!

If you want to tell them something use 22px font.
If you want them to click you need a picture...

Snake Doctor

Definitely take Alex's advice, he knows a thing or three about galleries.

I'd stay away from the for free sponsors for two reasons.

1 is that every TGP and their brother are using free email sponsors, so the surfers have either already signed up or passed on the program by the time they get to you.

2 is that newbies commonly think that all they have to do is plaster the word FREE all over a page and then they can just sit back and watch the money roll in.
There's WAY more to it than that. You need to learn how to lay out a page in a way that draws the surfer's eye to where you want them to look, you need to have content that matches what you're selling exactly, and you need to learn how to get inside the surfers head and find out what turns his crank so you can convince him he'll get what he needs if he buys what you're selling.

Don't use the free crutch, sell the niche and sell the site.

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newbiewebmistress

Awesome gallery Alex. No wonder I'm not converting. Well, the next time I buy one, I'll get one that's a little more 'up-to-date'. Since, there's no way I'll be able to make one like that. I just got the hang of making a free site and it's 'okay' in my opinion. But, those really open my eyes.

Pimplink, okay, I see what you are saying. The two big side pictures are too far up top and they do seem kind of out of place. Thanks.

Darren, got it. You said the first thing you see is the pics, does the ad at the top of the page make any difference at all? Do you think it even gets noticed?

Well,
Thanks everybody.

NWM

Thanks

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NBDesign

I have the same problem... I do not know what I am doing... I am having a hard time getting posted to good TGP's...

Getting good hits from easypic, but no where else.

Of course I have only been doing this for 2 days... but I should have better stats than this...

2003-06-07 4 3 0 0 0: 3 0.00
2003-06-06 20 10 0 0 0: 10 0.00
2003-06-05 9 2 0 0 0: 2 0.00
2003-06-04 0 0 0 0 0: 0 0.00
2003-06-03 3 0 0 0 0: 0 0.00
2003-06-02 0 0 0 0 0: 0 0.00
2003-06-01 0 0 0 0 0: 0 0.00
Totals 36 15 0 0 0: 15 0

I am sure my galleries are not exciting enough, but I want to save on bandwith till I can start makeing some $$$....

I have 2 galleries up at www.eroticskins.com working on my 3rd for todays submission.

I looked over the sample templates that you guys put up... Very nice, but they look like sign up pages and not galleries. Is that what sells?

I am a pretty good designer (mainstream) but this adult thing is another monster alltogether. I am not use to making graphically intense pages, I am use to creating clean fast loading sites.

Hopefully I will get the hang of this before I go broke and have to flip burgers LOL....

HELP!!!!!!!!

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Tipsy

It's been said - there's no punch to it. No reason to even read the text and if you do no reason to click on it.

One thing that was missed I think... on the right you say 'It's Totally Free! Credit Card Required.' . As has been said these days even mentioning a CC is not always a good thing but to say one IS required...

Somebody mentioned getting details right. Good place to start. A final point is why on earth would you buy traffic until you can convert from 'free' TGP traffic. You're just chucking $'s away.

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lil2rich4u2

"Currently I am converting 1:89 on freeticketcash."

your doing something wrong. FTC never goes above 1:8-1:10 with me.

Chill out with trying to make your galleries look fantastic .. thats just a waste of time and bandwidth.

Heres a simple one i threw together, the thumbs are real fucked up but i made them quickly in batchthumbs, just take a look at the simple layout:

http://www.tiny-teen-tits.org/galleries/tiny/index.html

(if it doesnt load its still uploading)


Anyhow the point is, keep it clean simple ... make sure your banner/link is ALWAYS visible and you will get listed.





-EDIT- id also recomend adding a mouseover to the link, i forgot to do it on this one.

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Nice and clean....

Mine are like that... but I am not getting listed for some reason....

Should I get rid of the text and use a banner or two?

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Well i have best luck eliminating just about ALL text and leaving only one banner as i did in this one.

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When someone told you to start with "free sites," are you sure they meant to promote "free join sites" or to actually build what we know as "free sites."

In this game you have:

TGP's which you send your galleries like you sent above.

Then you have Link Lists which you send Free Sites which consists of 1 entry/warning page, 1 free members page which links to 2-3 galleries of 10-15 pics each.

Maybe that's what they meant instead of you trying to build a paysite or go straight to AVS.

Anyway here's my thoughts on your gallery.


1. Glam teen series using hardcore and cheerleader text. As someone already pointed out the text doesn't fit.

2. When designing your gallery you want to force the viewers eyes to scan your text.
At the top you sorta kinda do this by placing the 2 larger pics on each side of the text.

However further along in the gallery you have the text pushed out on each side of your pics. This enables the surfers to see all the pics without really paying any attention to the text at all.

3. The cropping is nice. But might I suggest at least 1 good pink shot. You're going to have a ton of people here disagree with me that showing too much pink is giving it away and they won't sign up to join.
We at diabolicalgalleries.com find our experience is completely different.

4. Depending upon where you're submitting this to even if you are submitting it the whole pic on html is nice and does help with ctrs and sales but most TGPs will NOT accept it.

5. Your thumbs are a bit over compressed in my opinion. I sharpen everything before it gets sent out. I suggest you do the same thing. Remember you're in advertising and selling a product and that product has to look good and inviting for people to want to purchase it.


Here are some submission tips if you are submitting to TGPs if you are new are trying out a new template.

#1 Build your template and gear it towards acceptance first, as well as hoping to make sales.
If the template doesn't get accepted then the sales point is moot.

15 pics, make sure they are clear and sharp, not too many outgoing links 1 per 5 set of pics at the most, stay away from "ENTER" or MORE" type text. Great content, I can't stress this enough.

#2 If you're not seeing any noticeable traffic going to your sponsors join page from your gallery then you know it could be one of 3 things. Text placement, Text, or content.

If you feel confident in your content then I suggest you look at your text placement. As I stated above make sure they are forced to cross the text with their eyes in order to move onto the next row of pics.

If you feel confident in your text placement, then take a look at your text again. If your text doesn't match the content then make sure it does. If you don't think it's hot enough tweak it.

#3 After taking care of the above let the template run some more. If you don't see any improvements tweak a bit more, and run it again. Move the pics around, try a different layout etc.

If you are generating some decent ctrs to your sponsor but no sales then the sponsors tour could be lacking and nothing short of lying will get you a sale then maybe it's time to move on.

These are just some tips that MIGHT help you. What I found out about this biz is you have to be dealing with it day in and day out to even begin to think you just MIGHT understand how it works.

It's a constant change from day to day and if you aren't in the gallery building game day to day it's hard to understand what might work and what might not.

Good luck. Just keep at it and you'll stumble across that 1 hot template that will give you a bit of insite into what may work in the future.

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Thanks Will try that on today's submission.

I think I also need to promote more than one program too... I am promoting Bye-Bye Bikini.... I like that stuff... I see that I got gang banged is their biggest seller, I may try that one... This way I can submit to more galleries than the ones that do not allow that kind of material... like the hardcors TGP's and such.

Last question, Adultplatinum has some pre-built galleries... Should I use them? They look real nice... but will a TGP allow that or should I just put them on my site and not submit them to the TGP's?

This way, I can have more content for my home page. It is empty and boring.

What do you think?

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Okay,
I'm a little behind the posts. But, I am getting some kick-ass advice, so thanks to everybody. I didn't even think about the free site being worn out all over the TGP's.
Another reason for me to get to a paysite and quick.

Hey defresto, you said it's better to use a picture, so you mean like a banner or button? Everybody keeps saying more people click on text links than banners. Maybe this is not true?

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How do they convert with dialup users? lol

just saying, i always had much better luck converting "simple" galleries rather than big heavy ones i paid voodoo to make me, lol

just my 2cents

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Yes always use more than one program.

Infact make a like 4 galleries per day, one per niche .. and ONLY submit them to niche tgp's .... that will allow you to quadrupel your traffic, and at the same time keep it highly targetted.

Nah i wouldnt focus on submitting their premade stuff. It would be great to add to a page as you said, but TGP owners are getting sick of the same stuff.

Remember, the only reason why a tgp would list you rather than list chokers galleries is because he is sick of the same layout/style. He wants new stuff.

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Banners are overused...however each person's experience is different.

Try a bit of both.

Template 1 version A:
Maybe 1 banner at the top with some small size 1 juicy text right underneath it.

Then nothing but text the rest of the way.

Template 1 version B:

Nothing but text.

Find out which one sends you more ctrs to the join page then go with it. This is the part of tweaking you will have to do in order to get a good working template.

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NBDesign

Wow.... Thank you.... Advice taken and will give it a try Thanks again.

Sorry for invading the thread.... I know I should have started my own...

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Just a note but "nice and clean" is what the TGP's want. That's the opposite of what you want as a webmaster trying to make a sale.

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nice point. Goes back to that saying: "cant think like a webmaster to sell porn"

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Nope, I learn from the answers to your questions too.


I am in the process of putting all the ideas and advice to use on another identical gallery, since I can't change the layout/content on the one I submitted to Choker.

All the responses really helped. Fellow Newbies, if you have a question, ASK and ye shall be answered. ;)

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uh who said that?

lil2rich4u2

heres a tip ...

get yourself a copy of BatchThumbs. Make your thumbs, then click "DO HTML" ..... thats it! Add a banner and gallery is done.

Result will look like the one i posted which was done the same way. Took no more than maybe 3 minutes.

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Hmmmm, now I am confused..... If I do not want nice and clean to make the sale, but the TGP's want nice and clean to get listed... sounds like a catch 22.

Keep them clean to get listed... but make no sales...

Make them flashy to make the sale.. but not get listed....

This is turning out to be more difficult than expected. Guess I will try a little of everything and see what works best for me.

Thanks again for all the advice

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Newbiewebmistress, weren't you experimenting with Google Ad Words before ?

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I have been using ThumbsPlus 5... then taking the page and spice it up a bit with a style sheet.

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There in lies the rub, although non-clean does not always mean flashy. Get the balance right and TGP makes money but it's a bitch to get right. Amazing how many go for 'clean' and forget about making sales then wonder why the make little or nothing.

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Just got a rejection email from Thumbzilla. Could be one of 8 reasons they listed....

I created a special page for the Hun... didn't get rejected, but not sure if I will get listed.

Guess I will try a special page for them too.

Does the Russian Submitter really work? Is it worth the $$$.... Honestly?

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Bullshit. I'm calling you a LIAR.
post a screenshot of those stats if you aren't lying.

newbiewebmistress

Yes, Polish, and that didn't go to good either. I guess I should start looking, before I leap, huh?

Hey, where do I find this batchthumbs? Tried batchthumbs.com, nothing there.

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tisk tisk oh doubtful one

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you mean World Sex ?

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1.00 per sign up, 135 sign ups and only 108.00 in the bank... What happened to the rest of the $$$$?

Is this something I should expect?

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