Trump's trade policy is backfiring on Harley-Davidson. - Page 6 - GoFuckYourself.com

Robbie · 06-28-2018, 07:07 AM

So did we get this Harley Davidson thing sorted out? Lol

dyna mo · 06-28-2018, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

So did we get this Harley Davidson thing sorted out? Lol

yes. Harley had its own much bigger problems long before trump.

2MuchMark · 06-28-2018, 07:34 AM

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The bad news.... you're an arrogant fucking asshole

Whatever you say, tough guy!

You know what I think? I think Maybe Dyna wasn't threatened by Thommy after all but instead just feels threatened by him. Don't forget - he still didn't show us the link where Thommy threatened him. At this point I think it just doesn't exist, and he's lying about it, and he's hoping everyone will forget.

And your endless freak-out tells me that maybe you're threatened by me. You shouldn't be though! I'm actually a nice guy. Try not to panic.

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How are the kids on the border Mark???? You were so "outraged" just a few days ago. Any news? None? Not interested anymore?? Got it.

Oh my god you're so tough! (And your whataboutism skills are Fox-news-great too!). Flex those 'roided muscles grrrrrrr!!!!! Now calm down before you blow your colon out tough guy. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/separat...ay-2018-06-26/

dyna mo · 06-28-2018, 07:35 AM

jtfc, now the ca thinks he's a shrink.

2MuchMark · 06-28-2018, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

So did we get this Harley Davidson thing sorted out? Lol

Hahaha that subject seems like it was ages ago already...

Here's a question: If Trump were to reverse everything as far as the trade war goes, or maybe put it off for a year so that new deals could be made, would Harley Davidson and the others halt their plans to build more components offshore?

If Trump were to do something like

(a) slowly raise tarrifs on imports
(b) Give tax incentives to companies to build more in the US
(c) Ensure that those incentives were used to hire more workers

Would this solve the problem and have more products built in the US? And wouldn't this work if all countries started doing the same things where possible too?

huey · 06-28-2018, 08:01 AM

Harley Davidson was making parts in Japan in the 70s.My inner primary leaks oil right through the casting. They pride themselves as made in America but that hasn't been the case for the last 50 years. Usually my bikes end up being 1/3 Harley parts because their shit compared to after market parts which are built in the US.

Robbie · 06-28-2018, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hahaha that subject seems like it was ages ago already...

Here's a question: If Trump were to reverse everything as far as the trade war goes, or maybe put it off for a year so that new deals could be made, would Harley Davidson and the others halt their plans to build more components offshore?

If Trump were to do something like

(a) slowly raise tarrifs on imports
(b) Give tax incentives to companies to build more in the US
(c) Ensure that those incentives were used to hire more workers

Would this solve the problem and have more products built in the US? And wouldn't this work if all countries started doing the same things where possible too?

I would say "no".

Every country...including your own...already have huge tariffs on the U.S.

I watched Pres. Trump speaking in North Dakota last night (to thousands of cheering citizens).
And what he said made perfect sense to me (as it did during the campaign).
He said: We are $500 BILLION dollars in deficit with our trade partners around the world. We aren't STARTING a trade war. The trade war happened years ago and we LOST thanks to our so-called leaders selling out the American worker. So we get killed in trade and in many cases actually pay billions of dollars to have our military DEFEND many of these countrys!
And this was my favorite thing he said: "Global freeloading and taking advantage of the United States is OVER"

Mark, if Canada wants "free trade"...then your govt. shouldn't have been putting tariffs on our products all along.
Pres. Trump actually offered Canada and the EU for all country's to drop all tariffs against each other.
The EU (which was actually formed to "compete" with the U.S. in world trade) said "hell no" and so did your leader Trudeau.

They don't WANT to stop taxing our products. They love having all that extra juice into THEIR economy's. They LIKE it when our leaders screwed our own country and enriched Canada and the EU.

That's smart for Canadian leaders and EU leaders.
But just stupid for our country.

And that's over now.

All Trump is saying is that the U.S. will now start protecting our own workers and jobs.

The media and your leader call that kind of thing "protectionism" and "nationalism".

And yet...THIS IS WHAT TRUDEAU HIMSELF SAID:
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said today his government will work to protect Canadian steel and aluminum workers as the tariff tiff between Canada and the U.S. ramps up.
"I've assured them that we're going to be working with them to make sure that Canadian jobs are protected and that Canadian workers and communities continue to do OK despite these unnecessary and punitive actions from the United States," Trudeau told CBC Radio's Information Morning host Portia Clark during a stop in Halifax.

So the double standard and hypocrisy continues.

Canada (and the EU) have had huge tariffs in place on U.S. goods for decades. And as Trudeau said...they are going to PROTECT their jobs and workers.

Yet when we do the same thing...Trump is attacked for it.

And THAT is what the American people are sick of. We are tired of being fucked over all the time.

FAIR trade is what's going to happen under President Trump.

For instance...our steel and aluminum industry's have been decimated. Canada has dumped steel on us for years.

United States Steel company was running on life support. Hasn't opened a new plant in 32 years. Closed almost all of them.
Now? They are OPENING 6 NEW plants and hiring people for good wages.

It's "America First" here in the U.S. now. Just like it has ALWAYS been "Europe First" in the EU and "Canada First" in Canada.
It's only fair.

2MuchMark · 06-28-2018, 08:10 AM

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Harley Davidson was making parts in Japan in the 70s..

I'm not sure how long it's been (I would guess since the 50's?) that the US, Canada and other countries have all outsourced parts from other countries.

From the point of view of the US and Canada, most everything we now buy is made overseas. It would be great to be able to buy things that were made locally again, but I think that imposing sudden tarrifs on things made elsewhere will cause more harm than good.

To me it makes more sense to talk to all countries involved and explore ways to do things slowly and avoid negative impacts where possible.

Just imagine how cool it would be to buy a Harley Davidson bike, and wear an HD jacket, knowing that 100% of it was made in the USA?

Then again, the fact that some of its parts are made overseas too does not and should not really hurt the brand either. If you go to their website at https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/index.html screaming "built in the usa". So maybe it doesn't matter where it's built? Is a Harley Davidson motorcycle any less iconic, cool or sexy because parts come from offshore? For me at least, no.

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It's "America First" here in the U.S. now. Just like it has ALWAYS been "Europe First" in the EU and "Canada First" in Canada.
It's only fair.

Agreed. I think local sourcing should be the goal for as much as possible. I just worry though that Trump's tarrifs are too much, too soon. It seems like a wildly complex issue that is best handled carefully so it doesn't cause job loss anywhere.

dyna mo · 06-28-2018, 08:16 AM

robbie, tariffs don't juice the local economy. tariffs go directly into government coffers.

PR_Glen · 06-28-2018, 08:25 AM

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Yeah, millennial's are not into things we call fun, they can get everything they need from starbuck's and their iPhone9. I would ride every day of my life if I could.

Last T shirt I got at a Harley Dealer was $45 in Orlando, cool shirt though!

I ride every day until the ice gets here anyway. I think they need to go back to basics to start selling again. Too much fancy unnecessary stuff on the newer models. I can understand for the touring models but most riders don't need all that extra crap on their bikes and it would help keep costs more reasonable. Right now the only bare bones bikes I see these days are on the sportster models, and even those are decked out more than they should be. Older models, like a couple you have there, is where they need to go back to.

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Yep. HD has been having problems for years now. The younger generation has little interest in HD. But this might just be the final nail in the coffin.

That's not what I said at all. Motorcycle sales in general have been dipping and HD is getting the brunt of it because their bikes are generally a lot more. BUT I also said that bikes are only a fraction of what they make as a company compared to their branding. Their branding will keep them going strong for a long time. This company has survived a lot more than something like this.

PR_Glen · 06-28-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I would say "no".

Every country...including your own...already have huge tariffs on the U.S.

I watched Pres. Trump speaking in North Dakota last night (to thousands of cheering citizens).
And what he said made perfect sense to me (as it did during the campaign).
He said: We are $500 BILLION dollars in deficit with our trade partners around the world. We aren't STARTING a trade war. The trade war happened years ago and we LOST thanks to our so-called leaders selling out the American worker. So we get killed in trade and in many cases actually pay billions of dollars to have our military DEFEND many of these countrys!
And this was my favorite thing he said: "Global freeloading and taking advantage of the United States is OVER"

Mark, if Canada wants "free trade"...then your govt. shouldn't have been putting tariffs on our products all along.
Pres. Trump actually offered Canada and the EU for all country's to drop all tariffs against each other.
The EU (which was actually formed to "compete" with the U.S. in world trade) said "hell no" and so did your leader Trudeau.

They don't WANT to stop taxing our products. They love having all that extra juice into THEIR economy's. They LIKE it when our leaders screwed our own country and enriched Canada and the EU.

That's smart for Canadian leaders and EU leaders.
But just stupid for our country.

And that's over now.

All Trump is saying is that the U.S. will now start protecting our own workers and jobs.

The media and your leader call that kind of thing "protectionism" and "nationalism".

And yet...THIS IS WHAT TRUDEAU HIMSELF SAID:
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said today his government will work to protect Canadian steel and aluminum workers as the tariff tiff between Canada and the U.S. ramps up.
"I've assured them that we're going to be working with them to make sure that Canadian jobs are protected and that Canadian workers and communities continue to do OK despite these unnecessary and punitive actions from the United States," Trudeau told CBC Radio's Information Morning host Portia Clark during a stop in Halifax.

So the double standard and hypocrisy continues.

Canada (and the EU) have had huge tariffs in place on U.S. goods for decades. And as Trudeau said...they are going to PROTECT their jobs and workers.

Yet when we do the same thing...Trump is attacked for it.

And THAT is what the American people are sick of. We are tired of being fucked over all the time.

FAIR trade is what's going to happen under President Trump.

For instance...our steel and aluminum industry's have been decimated. Canada has dumped steel on us for years.

United States Steel company was running on life support. Hasn't opened a new plant in 32 years. Closed almost all of them.
Now? They are OPENING 6 NEW plants and hiring people for good wages.

It's "America First" here in the U.S. now. Just like it has ALWAYS been "Europe First" in the EU and "Canada First" in Canada.
It's only fair.

Ok you need to stop comparing taxes and advantage taking between our nations. If you knew the full details then you would clearly see that it is your nation that has been taken advantage of canada and its resources for decades now. Since Trudeau's father left office actually..

Oil, lumber, steel alone. Your nation has been exploiting us with these specifically. There are no comparables to these. We have went along with this, not out of stupidity, but as to maintain trade relations with your nation over time. But we will only tip so far until we must stand up to it and this is what is happening now, no more no less.

Robbie · 06-28-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Ok you need to stop comparing taxes and advantage taking between our nations. If you knew the full details then you would clearly see that it is your nation that has been taken advantage of canada and its resources for decades now. Since Trudeau's father left office actually..

Oil, lumber, steel alone. Your nation has been exploiting us with these specifically. There are no comparables to these. We have went along with this, not out of stupidity, but as to maintain trade relations with your nation over time. But we will only tip so far until we must stand up to it and this is what is happening now, no more no less.

Then you should be happy about what Pres. Trump is doing if your theory is correct.

These tariffs will make sure we don't take advantage of your country anymore.

2MuchMark · 06-28-2018, 09:05 AM

One thing I would LOVE to see is for Canada to stop exporting lumber, and stop cutting so much of it down.

In BC especially, the lumber companies chop thousands of acres down, but leave just enough so that the devastation can't be seen from the roads. My brother sends me pictures of this sometimes and it's depressing as hell.

dyna mo · 06-28-2018, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

One thing I would LOVE to see is for Canada to stop exporting lumber, and stop cutting so much of it down.

In BC especially, the lumber companies chop thousands of acres down, but leave just enough so that the devastation can't be seen from the roads. My brother sends me pictures of this sometimes and it's depressing as hell.

mark, it's a myth that logging leads to deforestation. even in ca.

Tasty1 · 06-28-2018, 09:15 AM

Robbie · 06-28-2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

One thing I would LOVE to see is for Canada to stop exporting lumber, and stop cutting so much of it down.

In BC especially, the lumber companies chop thousands of acres down, but leave just enough so that the devastation can't be seen from the roads. My brother sends me pictures of this sometimes and it's depressing as hell.

I agree.

We have our own lumber industry which has been hurt badly by Canada dumping lumber on the U.S.:
"The U.S. International Trade Commission said on Thursday it made a final finding that exports of softwood lumber from Canada injure U.S. producers, virtually ensuring that hefty duties on imports of the building material will remain in place for five years.

The decision will impose anti-dumping and anti-subsidy duties affecting about $5.66 billion worth of lumber and comes amid increasingly acrimonious talks on renegotiating NAFTA, the trilateral trade pact between the United States, Canada and Mexico."

Link: https://globalnews.ca/news/3903527/c...xports-duties/

2MuchMark · 06-28-2018, 09:46 AM

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Nice!!! I think my Dad rode one of those but I'm not sure...

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree.

We have our own lumber industry which has been hurt badly by Canada dumping lumber on the U.S.:
"The U.S. International Trade Commission said on Thursday it made a final finding that exports of softwood lumber from Canada injure U.S. producers, virtually ensuring that hefty duties on imports of the building material will remain in place for five years.

The decision will impose anti-dumping and anti-subsidy duties affecting about $5.66 billion worth of lumber and comes amid increasingly acrimonious talks on renegotiating NAFTA, the trilateral trade pact between the United States, Canada and Mexico."

Link: https://globalnews.ca/news/3903527/c...xports-duties/

Nice!!! I didn't know this. This is great news. The US should be using US wood, and Canada should be using Canada wood. The only thing I would like more is to see some kind of tax placed on wood that is then re-invested into saving forests and or finding alternatives to wood. Save the critters!

Robbie · 06-28-2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Nice!!! I think my Dad rode one of those but I'm not sure...

Nice!!! I didn't know this. This is great news. The US should be using US wood, and Canada should be using Canada wood. The only thing I would like more is to see some kind of tax placed on wood that is then re-invested into saving forests and or finding alternatives to wood. Save the critters!

The only problem with having a tax that is specified for something is...the govt. just spends it on other shit.

But the sentiment is a good one.

8pt-buck · 06-28-2018, 09:56 AM

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Nice!!! I think my Dad rode one of those but I'm not sure...

You're not even sure about your manhood.
Typical CANADIAN response. Chime on in without knowing jack crap.
Just running your mouth.

Ya wonder why you're loosing elections. Lost the Supreme Courts key vote.
Lost in NY as TRUMP campaigned. Oh yeah, DEMOCRAT easy victory.

Now Im waiting for Ginsburg to retire and we own you Dems for LIFE.
We own ya's right now.

baddog · 06-28-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by huey

Harley Davidson was making parts in Japan in the 70s.My inner primary leaks oil right through the casting. They pride themselves as made in America but that hasn't been the case for the last 50 years. Usually my bikes end up being 1/3 Harley parts because their shit compared to after market parts which are built in the US.

What year is your leaking H-D?

2MuchMark · 06-28-2018, 12:50 PM

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The only problem with having a tax that is specified for something is...the govt. just spends it on other shit.

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They might, but fortunately we can hold them accountable.

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You're not even sure about your manhood.

Let's see. I have a dick, I'm standing up for your freedom, and I'm defending myself. What else would you like me to do?

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]Typical CANADIAN response. Chime on in without knowing jack crap.
Just running your mouth.

I seem to remember a picture of my dad from WWII, riding a bike that looked like that. How is this running my mouth?

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]Ya wonder why you're loosing elections.

Except I'm not. I voted for Trudeau, and he's the Prime Minister of Canada. I didn't lose anything.

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]Lost the Supreme Courts key vote.
Lost in NY as TRUMP campaigned. Oh yeah, DEMOCRAT easy victory.

No one said a Dem win is easy, at least not lately. It's absolutely not.

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]Now Im waiting for Ginsburg to retire and we own you Dems for LIFE.
We own ya's right now.

That's fine for me if that's what you want. However, before you vote, maybe ask your wife or girlfriend or sister what she thinks about abortion rights. They may lose that soon if you're not careful.

Bladewire · 06-28-2018, 12:57 PM

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BUT I also said that bikes are only a fraction of what they make as a company compared to their branding. Their branding will keep them going strong for a long time. This company has survived a lot more than something like this.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Trump is actively attacking their branding and threating to tax the hell out of them. Their stock has dropped $4 a share since Trump started attacking them on TV, via Twitter and at rallies.

crockett · 06-28-2018, 01:44 PM

6 pages of red hats making excuses for Trump's failure to stop companies from moving jobs overseas..

huey · 06-28-2018, 05:12 PM

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What year is your leaking H-D?

My first shovel chopper was from 72 and my second and current is from 70. The inner primary castings where made in Japan. They are porous and weep oil.

Had a 2007 fxd obviously no leaks.

Like I mentioned in first post by the time I'm done getting the bike looking the way I want majority of parts are all SS, PM machine, and Delcron. All parts made in the USA.

Bladewire · 06-29-2018, 06:51 AM

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6 pages of red hats making excuses for Trump's failure to stop companies from moving jobs overseas..

↑↑↑ Truth

Toys R Us is closing all 700 of it's stores in America this week, 64,000 jobs lost.

beerptrol · 06-29-2018, 07:29 AM

Chump wants to withdrawl from the WTO.
Everything he is doing is right out of the Putin playbook. Chump is a russian asset

TheSquealer · 06-29-2018, 07:30 AM

It's like he climbed right inside Bladewires and **********s heads.

2MuchMark · 06-29-2018, 09:24 AM

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It's like he climbed right inside Bladewires and **********s heads.

TheSquealer · 06-29-2018, 09:33 AM

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nonsense video about a single guy

Nice reply from the smug asshole who repeatedly replies to others with snarky retorts like "whataboutism"

The difference is that he is talking about a major movement - #walkaway where lifelong democrats are abandoning the hate, the lies, the nonstop vitriolic attacks, the calling of anyone "racist" simply because they don't like what you're saying, continually creating new victim classes etc etc etc and more importantly, CONSTANTLY ROOTING FOR FAILURE AT ANY COST,... because they just want the country to move forward and want to believe in the future.

Also, in case you haven't noticed (obviously you haven't), Trumps popularity continues to grow along with the economy.

dyna mo · 06-29-2018, 09:36 AM

hah, i call it veer right when i think of it for myself. hadn't really heard of walkaway.

but I'm loving the rising democratic socialist movement. it has potential.

TheSquealer · 06-29-2018, 09:46 AM

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hah, i call it veer right when i think of it for myself. hadn't really heard of walkaway.

but I'm loving the rising democratic socialist movement. it has potential.

it's becoming a big thing. Mostly with blacks leading the charge. They've been used as nothing but a pawn by the left for ages. In the meantime, this is the first time their lives are actually improving in a very long time.. with who at the economic helm? The "racist" who can do no right... ever. Funny stuff.

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