Trump's trade policy is backfiring on Harley-Davidson.
 

Harley-Davidson will move some production out of US after retaliatory tariffs

TrumpTrain!

what does that have to do with trudeau not being able to close a trade deal with canada's most important trade partner?

LMAO< more false news from CNN, Harley announced closure of the plant in Kansas back in January

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ll/1078008001/

Mark you are such a moron, can you even read, they didn't say weather any jobs would be lost, but CNN said they will move some of their production, the two statements are conflicting at best, you need to get your news from a different news source.

Harley Davidson is a world brand now, it already has plants in Austrailia, Brazil and India. This is a company expanding it's market to an already strong base customer base in the UK. Morons like you are just looking to blame Trump for something, proving what a fucking idiot you are!

Shall I return my Harley ? :helpme

All of these companies (and our overseas allies) know that soon as Trump is booted from the White House, the next guy will put everything back to normal. They just have to tough it out for a couple more years.

Countries will develop other relations with new emerging trading partners , and will no longer have product available unless a price war starts : cost more.

not yet.

perhaps trade it in on a H-D bicycle though. :1orglaugh

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/06/18/...-1917-replica/

Harley Davidson is going to have to raise it's prices by 30% because of Trump's trade war. Harley Davidson is already having problems.... But whatever, you keep defending this.

The economy is going great - thanks Obama - so we need trade wars with all of our allies why?

I'm going to keep mine

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...00&oe=5BADA823

H-D has already announced they are not raising prices.

The last few presidents gave away everything, Trump is looking for a better deal, why are you against that? China has made so much money from us, it's insane. I've been there, they are building all over the place because of the money they get from us in the trade imbalance.
The economy going great? The entire 8 years Obama blamed the economy on Bush, now you want to give him credit for the economy under Trump, that's laughable, guess you forget about the shovel ready jobs, the lowest overall GDP rate under any sitting president in history and a workforce participation rate that was always in a down angle? Or maybe you forgot about https://nypost.com/2014/10/12/obamas...t-to-the-rich/

BTW, Harley said they were not raising their rates, maybe you should try actually reading the article before commenting?

Normal, were our products get higher tarriffs?
Seriously, you need to read more about how the economy works and why having a low GDP has hurt our country over the last 8 years

if we're going to renegotiate trade with others, the best time to do it is when the US economy is cranking along. not when it's not. that wouldn't even make sense. We can absorb any temp issues with a strong economy and use it as a bargaining tool.

it's actually the best time. regardless of who is potus.

Ok, well I'm going for a ride , I need to get some new air lines for my air shocks, they leak

Meanwhile your own government is lying to you about NAFTA

Accidental Honesty – Chief Canadian NAFTA Negotiator Slips-up on Camera and Admits There’s No Actual Negotiations Taking Place…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-taking-place/

just like i've shown that euros don't care about eur, i've also shown ca op doesn't care about ca, like most all ca


they only care about pointing fingers at America.

But I thought MAGA was gonna bring all those manufacturing jobs back.. Trumps words were he was gonna force companies to bring the jobs back to the US instead of sending them overseas..

Now you support sending jobs overseas because it's Harley so you make excuses.



The reality was after Trump gave Carrier a nice fat tax cut and all types of shit, Carrier still sent the jobs overseas with no 30% tariff on their goods coming back.. Now HD another of the places Trump taunted is sending jobs overseas..

MAGA on impeachment day..

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

China does 23% of its trade with the USA, while that's a nice cut, its hardly the reason for Chinas prosperity when they have the other 77%

it's weird how you need to have a problem with the USA wanting a better trade deal with China.

but but but trump eh?

even funnier is that the situation forces this sort of confusing behavior from Democrats.

Left: "We want Trump to fail at everything, no matter what and at any cost"
Also Left: "Oh no, he's failing... someone needs to stop this immediately!"

And what is the Democrats message?

No one knows

What is the Democrats solution?

No one knows

What do Democrats want?

No one knows.

They just want you to know that "Trump = bad" as if that is going to solve every issue in some meaningful way. If this doesn't change, they're going to get completely crushed in the mid terms and beyond.

And I just love how Canadians and Australians wake up everyday by screaming "Trump!" as if they understand anything about this nation, the problems, the solutions or will ever have to live with the consequences of policy in the US. And if you're going to rely on the stupid argument about waking up and screaming about Republicans all day long because "the US affects you too"... well, too fucking bad. If it directly affects you, have an opinion. But the truth is that you irrelevant pussies bitch and bitch and bitch like little girls no matter what. If you don't like being so irrelevant on the world stage... then maybe you should stop as a nation and take a look at that problem and worry about that for once.

It's especially amusing when a fucking Australian has something to say about immigration. How many detention camps for illegals did you guys have set up not too many years ago? How difficult is it for ANYONE... even an American to immigrate to Australia legally? Fucking retard.

You think higher inflation and the Fed raising interest rates 4 times this year so far, when the previous administration only raised rates once in 8 years, is good? You think paying more for goods & services because of Trump's self imposef tarrif war is good economically?

Don't answer, I know you'll justify everything bad as good, because "Trump" :winkwink:

It's weird how you justify all negatives under Trump as good. Same bullshit new nic.

Trade War Sparks Inflation, Slow Economic Growth, Hinders Stock Prices | Forbes

The Fed's stance on inflation means more bad news for borrowers | CNBC

U.S. Inflation Accelerates to Six-Year High, Eroding Wages | Bloomberg

Fed Signals Future Rate Hikes as Inflation Accelerates

I'm sorry, we must have missed all the great Democrat answers and Democratic plans that the nation is rallying behind right now.

Can you go over the bullet points for us?

No....?

Nothing...?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I most certainly will answer.

I'm otr here already and at least 2-3x mentioned that controlling inflation will be difficult. It's the simple fact of any growing economy. trump or not.

Of course I don't think paying more for a trade war is good economically. In fact, what I wrote earlier is that the time to negotiate a trade deal is when the economy is doing well, so it can absorb the negative consequences of renegotiating.

I've never once justified anything bad trump has done. here or anywhere. What I am capable of doing is realizing reality and seeing what is good in the world. For example, the US economy is kicking ass. That doesn't mean I don't think trump is a horrible guy for what he's done with immigration. It doesn't mean I'm 99.999999999999999999999999% confident he can't/didn't do a denuke deal with NK. It doesn't mean I don't think he's a creepy guy for all the creepy tweets he's made.

etc et al on&on.

entirely wrong and uncalled for. I've never once justified any of the crap/negative shit about trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Didn't you block me once? Please block me again? Thanks!

Neither did I. What are you reading that's not there?


There is only 1 statement, not 2. Are you having a stroke?

Good idea!
https://www.nasdaq.com/press-release...20180625-00187
?American success story? Harley-Davidson to shift production out of U.S. to avoid Trump?s trade war | Financial Post
https://globalnews.ca/video/4295310/...ction-overseas
https://www.thestar.com/business/201...u-tariffs.html
http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/arti...WS02/306259958
http://time.com/5320886/harley-david...ade-war-trump/
https://www.al.com/business/index.ss...g_product.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...S-tariffs.html

Shall I go on?


True, and irrelevant.

Maybe! But irrelevant.

Maybe! But irrelevant.

Hey now...


Trump started a trade war with other countries. Other countries are hitting back. This hurts some American companies, like HD.

Can you possibly love Trump so much that nothing at all he does can ever, ever hurt you?


or gal... or Black gal, Hispanic-American gal...

Fingers crossed!


In Vendzilla's eyes, Trump can do no wrong I suspect.

:thumbsup

A part of me thinks that all Trump wants to do, is un-do all of the good things Obama did. And then blame the next recession on him of course.


Be happy then - maybe their value just went up.

That's right.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

How is this a good deal for Harley Davidson?

The article clearly stated they are not raising their rates.

You've defended Trump in every thread you've posted in.

And you just defended our high inflation and paying more for food & gas without wage increases as "the price of negotiating" but those aren't tarrifs issues, it's INFLATION and we're at negative growth as individuals because our pay is the same and we're paying more for food, gas & rent. When the trade ware impact is felt the next 30 days we'll be paying more for goods.

When you have low unemployment rate wages are supposed to rise higher because businesses are more competitive for employees. Wages are not going up because businesses see the trade Wars and tariffs happening in her holding back on investing in business and employees as per the articles I posted earlier.

you're free to keep thinking that in spite of my taking the time to let you know directly and politely where I am coming from combined with the fact you couldn't find one single post of mine that backs up your exclamation.

No you're not. You're still here, reading..... getting mad...

Seriously though Vendzilla, my whole point is that this is a dick move by Trump. Maybe what he says about unfair trade is 100% right... but don't you think that as your president, he should just try harder to make a deal instead of instantly impose tarrifs? Harley Davidson Stock fell today because of Trump.

harley's bike sales have been dipping steadily long before the current administration and its far too soon to see any kind of impact at this point. They have some smaller cheaper bikes coming out that may help with that. People forget how much harley makes from their brand alone though. Lots of people with harley gear that don't even ride motorcycles or never will.

No steel needed for t shirts and hats.

good point. this is just another one of your what about trump threads.

you don't really think anyone here thinks you care about Harleys sold in euro right?

I appreciate the fact that you are tired of my Trump rants - that's fine. But if you want to participate in the discussion, it's more fun to stay on the subject. [/QUOTE]

my question, you know the one you conveniently clipped out? the one asking you if you really think anyone here thinks you care about harleys sold in europe.

that's very much on the subject.

what aboutism that?

He's defending Trump in every thread, and says that he hasn't defended Trump at all, now he's tired of your anti Trump threads :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hi Dyna,

My WhatAboutIsm comment to you was in regards to your Trudeau post here

To answer your question about Europe, I don't know. I'm sure there are some Europeans on GFY who own or want to own Harley;s just like there are Canadians who want to own one (like me!).

My post and links to the news are about Harley Davidson shifting some of its production to Europe. This is probably good for HD prices in Europe I don't know. But is it good for HD USA?

i defend reality. that's all. no biggie for those living in it!

Your "reality" is not based on facts and favors Trump's propoganda

What exactly did "the last few presidents give away"? Please don't cut and paste something; In your own words tell me what was given up.

The trade balance is at a 375 billion dollar deficit , that will by you a few things

my question was about you and this topic. Euros don't care about europe, they certainly don't care about H-D.

Ive already stated plenty of times all over this board that tariffs are not good. Some are needed in some places but are overbroad, some need and can be removed and make things entirely better for both sides. trudeau had a chance to make one of those deals and failed, instead choosing to play to his base of anti-trump ca. I've also stated that some businesses are going to end up taking a hit due to trump's using tariffs as a negotiating tactic. I've also stated many many times that i disagree with trump's negotiating style, mockingly referring to it as 9 dimensional chess and even going so far as to state verbatim that "trump is no negotiator".

I've also asked the question re: why people need to find a problem with America renegotiating trade deals to work out some issues. I already know the answer to that question- trump is why. it's why i don't waste my time and ask you the question.

well, except for mrbb, he's anti-American/pro-china in general, regardless of trump.

I don't have hate in my heart so I am not able to state I hate trump.

I've stated many times that he's a horrible guy and not my kind of guy and that's primarily due to how much I dislike his propaganda.

You seemed to chant that same message when Obama was president. Suddenly you've changed? What you are telling us, is you are no different than those evil Democrat liberals..

it's another thing I've noticed a long time ago too btw, many anti-trumpers need me to be as emotional as they are about trump.

I'm unable to be that emotional. I'm more of a pragmatic fellow.

My own words, sure, he lifted sanctions on restriction on high tech that China dearly wanted.

California gave them the bay bridge, it's still having problems, you can look this stuff

Chanting the same message?

I that that what you remember is me reminding everyone daily that Democrats were being bitches because they controlled the House, The Senate and the White House and still blamed Republicans for their inability to get anything done.

And today???

Today Democrats are not even pretending to try.
They were on tv last week pretending to cry.
They're not even pretending to care about voters, platforms and the nation.
They just find a new reason every single day to be "outraged" and to complain and call people Nazis and racist and in the meantime, #WalkAway is now a thing as a result.... as you head into the mid terms.

I mean seriously man.... how can you lose all the states, The House, The Senate, The White House and not be gaining serious momentum going into the mid-terms? That is what is supposed to be happening right now... a re-balancing of power. Instead more Blacks, Hispanics and millennials are leaving Democrats. It's completely surreal that Democrats can be LOSING momentum going into the mid-terms. No one outraged about Maxine Waters telling people to attack others? No one here? Well, thats what drives voters away.

You guys have every opportunity in the world to take back everything and then some, but can't get past shouting "i hate Trump" to a cheering crowd of supporters at the far end of the spectrum who are on the far left and you lose the moderate people that actually swing elections.

No he didn't... I don't agree with what he is saying here either but you are using a selective memory.