Cadet Bone Spurs tells Vets he didn't go to Vietnam because he "Didn't like that war"

[2MuchMark]

(CNN)On the 75th anniversary of a defining battle of the defining war of human history so far, it's clear that military service has never been less important to American voters.

President Donald Trump, who is in Europe to commemorate D-Day, felt completely comfortable explaining his own lack of service in Vietnam because he didn't like that war, though at the time he said it was bone spurs. Trump said Wednesday he's making up for it by giving the military lots of money now -- taxpayer money, that is.

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Do you wish you'd been able to serve? Would you have liked to serve your country?" Morgan asked.

Trump replied by questioning Vietnam, mirroring some of the anti-war sentiment of the '60s and '70s.

"Well I was never a fan of that war. I'll be honest with you. I thought it was a terrible war. I thought it was very far away. Nobody ever -- you're talking about Vietnam at that time and nobody ever heard of the country," Trump said, adding the non sequitur that, today, the government of Vietnam has been successful negotiating in global trade.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/polit...ice/index.html







I thought it was Bone Spurs?

[escorpio]

Mark, in 1970 you would have been one of the people spitting on soldiers returning from Vietnam and calling them "baby killers." Shut up and fuck off.

[Bladewire]

Clinton was honest about why he didn't go to war he said he disagreed with it. Honesty and Truth are gold.

Trump's lies always catch up with him and then he has another fire to put out with another lie he's such a fucking scumbag as is all of his supporters on GFY every last one of them are fucking scumbag losers.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Mark, in 1970 you would have been one of the people spitting on soldiers returning from Vietnam and calling them "baby killers." Shut up and fuck off.

Why would I do that? Those people - kids most of them - went to war because they were ordered to go. I would have been against the war, but not against the soldiers. I would have protested the government, but not the people ordered to go.

You want proof? Nixon ran on a platform that opposed the Vietnam war, but to win the election, he needed the war to continue: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ggest-3595441/. How many lives were lost just so Nixon could win?

If I had been ordered to go I would have done what I could to get out of it too. The difference is that I wouldn't have lied about it like Trump did, and still does.

So no sir, YOU Shut up and Fuck off.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Why would I do that? Those people - kids most of them - went to war because they were ordered to go. I would have been against the war, but not against the soldiers. I would have protested the government, but not the people ordered to go.

You want proof? Nixon and Vietnam and extending war to win re election: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ggest-3595441/. How many lives were lost just so Nixon could win?

If I had been ordered to go I would have done what I could to get out of it too. The difference is that I wouldn't have lied about it like Trump did, and still does.

So no sir, YOU Shut up and Fuck off.

Bullshit. You would have been virtue signaling like a motherfucker, just like you do now. And ask anyone that was alive then, the whole "hate the war, support the troops" thing wasn't happening then, so I kind of doubt that would have been your take on the situation.


What did Trump lie about?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Bullshit. You would have been virtue signaling like a motherfucker, just like you do now. And ask anyone that was alive then, the whole "hate the war, support the troops" thing wasn't happening then, so I kind of doubt that would have been your take on the situation.


What did Trump lie about?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...-from-vietnam/

[2MuchMark]

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...-from-vietnam/

You can act as if that was some grievous "lie", but exaggerating a medical condition was a common way to out of the draft. What would you have done? Student deferment? Trump probably would have done that as a Plan B, if the medical route had failed. The medical route gets you permanently disqualified, a student deferment does not, which is why people tried the medical first.

[RedFred]

[bronco67]

A lot of kids didn't like that war. And a lot of those kids died in a muddy ditch with a bayonet in their throats while Lieutenant Bone Spurs was getting laid and being useless.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by bronco67

A lot of kids didn't like that war. And a lot of those kids died in a muddy ditch with a bayonet in their throats while Lieutenant Bone Spurs was getting laid and being useless.

Yeah, the VC all used bayonets. And how the fuck can someone be laying in a ditch with a bayonet in their neck? Did it fall off a long gun or something?

Funny that princess is misquoting Trump when just after he accuses someone else of misquoting an article.

Typical.

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ Baddog crawls out from under his drunken stupor to toss insults before tossing his cookies in his dirt piss soaked toilet during his daily morning hangover ritual.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by escorpio

You can act as if that was some grievous "lie", but exaggerating a medical condition was a common way to out of the draft. What would you have done? Student deferment? Trump probably would have done that as a Plan B, if the medical route had failed. The medical route gets you permanently disqualified, a student deferment does not, which is why people tried the medical first.

Think about it for a moment. Trump dodged the draft. It's not honourable, but it happened. Lots of other people did it too. Bad Trump.

But now, isn't it fair to think that Trump should own this? Can't he say in a speech that he dodged the draft, and that he is sorry, and embarrassed? And just because Senator John McCain disagreed with him on Politics, don't you think it would have been extra-fucking-cool of Trump to put that aside and praise McCain anyway for his service, and for his incredible sacrifice? If all people, shouldn't Trump do this?

Originally Posted by baddog

Funny that princess is misquoting Trump when just after he accuses someone else of misquoting an article..

Exactly what did I misquote? And don't forget the links.

Originally Posted by Bladewire

ACK!

[kane]

Originally Posted by escorpio

You can act as if that was some grievous "lie", but exaggerating a medical condition was a common way to out of the draft. What would you have done? Student deferment? Trump probably would have done that as a Plan B, if the medical route had failed. The medical route gets you permanently disqualified, a student deferment does not, which is why people tried the medical first.

The problem is that it looks bad when you dodged the draft yourself then attack someone who actually went and fought, but you didn't like them "because they got captured."

[Rochard]

My father didn't like the fucking war either. He died in Vietnam when I was nine months old.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Why would I do that? Those people - kids most of them - went to war because they were ordered to go. I would have been against the war, but not against the soldiers. I would have protested the government, but not the people ordered to go.

I disagree with you here.... You are looking through history and judging it decades later, and then trying to imagine what you would have done then - but you are looking at it through the lends of a forty or fifty year old man, not a college student in the 1960s.

Back then in the 1960s protesters didn't see a difference between soldiers and the government; They were considered one and the same. Soldiers were considered "baby killers" that worked for the government. When the soldiers of Vietnam came back home they were crapped on, treated very poorly, and for the most ignored.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem is that it looks bad when you dodged the draft yourself then attack someone who actually went and fought, but you didn't like them "because they got captured."

Agreed. Trump should not have said that and respected McCain's service.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I disagree with you here.... You are looking through history and judging it decades later, and then trying to imagine what you would have done then - but you are looking at it through the lends of a forty or fifty year old man, not a college student in the 1960s.

Back then in the 1960s protesters didn't see a difference between soldiers and the government; They were considered one and the same. Soldiers were considered "baby killers" that worked for the government. When the soldiers of Vietnam came back home they were crapped on, treated very poorly, and for the most ignored.

This is true. Unless you were there, it is very hard to understand the zeitgeist of the Vietnam era.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑↑↑ Baddog crawls out from under his drunken stupor to toss insults before tossing his cookies in his dirt piss soaked toilet during his daily morning hangover ritual.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I disagree with you here.... You are looking through history and judging it decades later, and then trying to imagine what you would have done then - but you are looking at it through the lends of a forty or fifty year old man, not a college student in the 1960s.

Possibly...

Originally Posted by Rochard

Back then in the 1960s protesters didn't see a difference between soldiers and the government; They were considered one and the same. Soldiers were considered "baby killers" that worked for the government. When the soldiers of Vietnam came back home they were crapped on, treated very poorly, and for the most ignored.

Very true, but I know me, and I know that I wouldn't do it. There's no way I could pretend to know what those people went through. I've never even held a gun except for a hunting rifle (I didn't hunt) so there's no way in hell I could pass judgment on any soldier. What would be important to me is that he or she is back home and safe and hopefully not messed up.

This is yet another eason why I think Trump is a total bullshitter, especially on this subject. He dodged the draft - I'm actually Ok with that). What would impress me though, would be for Trump to say "I was afraid to go to war. Its cowardly and I'm ashamed but its the truth". Then you know that if he followed that up with any kind of praise for any soldier, McCane or other wise, that he would actually mean it. I don't think he can do it.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Possibly...



Very true, but I know me, and I know that I wouldn't do it. There's no way I could pretend to know what those people went through. I've never even held a gun except for a hunting rifle (I didn't hunt) so there's no way in hell I could pass judgment on any soldier. What would be important to me is that he or she is back home and safe and hopefully not messed up.

This is yet another eason why I think Trump is a total bullshitter, especially on this subject. He dodged the draft - I'm actually Ok with that). What would impress me though, would be for Trump to say "I was afraid to go to war. Its cowardly and I'm ashamed but its the truth". Then you know that if he followed that up with any kind of praise for any soldier, McCane or other wise, that he would actually mean it. I don't think he can do it.

Is this man a coward, Mark? People didn't avoid the draft because they were "cowardly", they avoided the draft because they did not believe in the war we were involved in.


David Harris

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

This is yet another eason why I think Trump is a total bullshitter, especially on this subject. He dodged the draft - I'm actually Ok with that). What would impress me though, would be for Trump to say "I was afraid to go to war. Its cowardly and I'm ashamed but its the truth". Then you know that if he followed that up with any kind of praise for any soldier, McCane or other wise, that he would actually mean it. I don't think he can do it.

He was a pussy and he ran away.

My family gave everything for this country. My grandfather, my uncle, and my father all died for their country. When the time came I stood up like a man and I went too - and thankfully I never saw combat. At the same time, the Trump family's entire history is one of not joining the military.

I have zero respect for any of the Trump family. Not one of them have ever worked a day in their life.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Is this man a coward, Mark? People didn't avoid the draft because they were "cowardly", they avoided the draft because they did not believe in the war we were involved in.


David Harris

Orange Face is a coward. You're in denial.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Orange Face is a coward. You're in denial.

You might be right. My point is that it is wrong to call everyone that didn't go to Vietnam a coward. I know guys that had their lives seriously affected by their refusal to go, I know guys that went and had their lives seriously affected.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by baddog

Yeah, the VC all used bayonets. And how the fuck can someone be laying in a ditch with a bayonet in their neck? Did it fall off a long gun or something?

Funny that princess is misquoting Trump when just after he accuses someone else of misquoting an article.

Typical.

You have a unique talent for missing the point.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Possibly...



Very true, but I know me, and I know that I wouldn't do it. There's no way I could pretend to know what those people went through. I've never even held a gun except for a hunting rifle (I didn't hunt) so there's no way in hell I could pass judgment on any soldier. What would be important to me is that he or she is back home and safe and hopefully not messed up.

This is yet another eason why I think Trump is a total bullshitter, especially on this subject. He dodged the draft - I'm actually Ok with that). What would impress me though, would be for Trump to say "I was afraid to go to war. Its cowardly and I'm ashamed but its the truth". Then you know that if he followed that up with any kind of praise for any soldier, McCane or other wise, that he would actually mean it. I don't think he can do it.

You don't know what you would do because you weren't there and you were not shaped by the times, so spare us the Saint Mark bullshit. Thanks in advance.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Rochard

My father didn't like the fucking war either. He died in Vietnam when I was nine months old.

Damn, did not know about that .

Really sorry for you and your mother , as it must have been hard to go thru such an awfull event ....

As for topic, no chance it would have happened to Trump , he escaped his duty , but it is not his fault , as always.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Damn, did not know about that .

Really sorry for you and your mother , as it must have been hard to go thru such an awfull event ....

As for topic, no chance it would have happened to Trump , he escaped his duty , but it is not his fault , as always.

hahha wow man you could spin any convo and blame Trump for it.

Stop meddling in our politics Canadian muz

[Paul Markham]

The Vietnam War was a huge mistake. Then badly carried out, badly led, both politically and militarily. It was also a huge waste of Americans lives and money. I respect the men who fought it, but that doesn't mean I agree with it being fought.

It was fought on a lie.

Does that remind you of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan occupation?

[Acepimp]

^^ PAUL IS CORRECT.

Trump didn't like that war because he realized it was based on a LIE.

Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War

The Gulf of Tonkin incident is the most notorious false flag in American history. It resulted in the death of millions of people. Declassified documents reveal the North Vietnamese did not attack the United States on August 4, 1964. In fact, the CIA, through its South Vietnamese proxy, invaded North Vietnam and the standoff in the Gulf of Tonkin was a result of those illegal covert raids conducted under OPLAN 34A. President Lyndon Johnson’s Secretary of State, Robert McNamara, lied to a joint session of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees about the role played by the Navy in the phantom attacks. Declassified documents also reveal a number of senators knew the incident in the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag. A March 1968 closed session of the Foreign Relations Committee withheld a committee staff investigation that raised doubts over whether the Tonkin incident ever took place. On August 7, Congress passed a joint resolution in response to the phantom attacks in the Gulf of Tonkin. The authorization to use military force was a direct violation of the Constitution. Congress did not formally declare war as specified by Article I, Section 8, Clause 11.

The war was engineered so that scumbags in power could make more money.

Trump was right. Knowing that it was a fraud, the moral decision was to not participate in it.

[RedFred]

Yea, everyone who goes to fight in a war do so because they like the war. You fucking cultists have to be the dumbest bunch to ever inhabit the planet.

[beerptrol]

The orange turd cultists think he's a hero and Kaepernick is the bad guy!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Is this man a coward, Mark? People didn't avoid the draft because they were "cowardly", they avoided the draft because they did not believe in the war we were involved in.


David Harris

That's now how it works.

Members of the United States military do not get to pick and choose which wars they fight in. If the order comes down to go, they go. You cannot say "I do not support this". And if you get drafted, guess what, you go.

Trump is a coward. He bribed a doctor to give him a fake medical condition so he could dodge the traffic. Not only is that cowardly, it's illegal.

I am disgusted by the fake patriotism some people have in this country. They put a pin on their suit and suddenly they are a patriot. It's bullshit. The entire Trump family has avoided military service at all levels. He never did anything for our military or our country until the moment he decided to run for office.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

My father didn't like the fucking war either. He died in Vietnam when I was nine months old.

How do you know his opinion on the war? you never talked to him.

[Tasty1]

I respect the people who fought for their country.

but, 95% is now about $$$$ and not to defend a country.
And mostly based on false flags and lies and other interest.
Sadly the 3 things a soldier has to do:
Follow orders, don't think, don't ask.
That is why i think most are just stupid.
If someone ask you to jump of a cliff, would you do it?
Thinking that politicians do always the best for their country has proven wrong,

When the USA would attack Venezuela, than i have no respect for those soldiers,
They are just plain stupid.
But somebody will profit from people who just follow orders.

Trump was smart enough not to go to Vietnam.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by escorpio

You might be right. My point is that it is wrong to call everyone that didn't go to Vietnam a coward. I know guys that had their lives seriously affected by their refusal to go, I know guys that went and had their lives seriously affected.

You're right. Calling a draft dodger a coward is not fair or accurate.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

hahha wow man you could spin any convo and blame Trump for it.

Stop meddling in our politics Canadian muz

What the hell is wrong with you?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

^^ PAUL IS CORRECT.

Trump didn't like that war because he realized it was based on a LIE.

The war was engineered so that scumbags in power could make more money.

Trump was right. Knowing that it was a fraud, the moral decision was to not participate in it.

What is decent and moral about verbally attacking McCain because he chose to go?

Originally Posted by beerptrol

The orange turd cultists think he's a hero and Kaepernick is the bad guy!

I know. That just fucking blows my mind.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Trump is a coward. He bribed a doctor to give him a fake medical condition so he could dodge the traffic. Not only is that cowardly, it's illegal. .

On this one Rochard, I'll give it to directfiesta. Trump is shit of course, but since neither of us were there, we don't know for sure that Trump is a coward, so, for me personally, I won't hate him for this. I will hate him though for bashing McCain. Trump has zero, zero, civility.

Originally Posted by baddog

How do you know his opinion on the war? you never talked to him.

LOL are you fucking serious right now? What a fucking shitty thing to say. You're an asshole.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

The orange turd cultists think he's a hero and Kaepernick is the bad guy!

Trump has done nothing wrong. Kaepernick creates racial tension and is involved with exploiting what is practically slave-labor for huge profits.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

How do you know his opinion on the war? you never talked to him.

Oh my lord.

Did I ever talk to him? No, of course not. But he talked a lot about it to my mother (whom I have spoken to) as well his his extended family (all of whom I have talked to). It's part of the family history.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

On this one Rochard, I'll give it to directfiesta. Trump is shit of course, but since neither of us were there, we don't know for sure that Trump is a coward, so, for me personally, I won't hate him for this. I will hate him though for bashing McCain. Trump has zero, zero, civility.

And I'll disagree with you.

Through out our country's history, the rich tends to avoid military service while the middle class tends to embrace it. Trump's kids would never consider going into the military - it's "beneath" them.

Even worse.... he lied to get out of it. That's a criminal act.

[Diomed]

LUL at liberal faggots complaining about sane people acting sane.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

What kind of smartphone do you have?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

[
Trump has done nothing wrong. Kaepernick creates racial tension and is involved with exploiting what is practically slave-labor for huge profits.

Wrong. Cops killing unarmed black kids and getting away with it creates racial tension. Colin Kaepernick protests it. And before you say it, His protest does not need to be recast as patriotic, as patriotism is not a higher virtue than justice.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Yea, everyone who goes to fight in a war do so because they like the war. You fucking cultists have to be the dumbest bunch to ever inhabit the planet.

People who voluntarily join to go fight did so in a lie. Communists were not going to take over the world if they weren't defeated in Vietnam. If that was true why didn't they keep marching South and invading other countries after America was beaten?

Like weapons of mass destruction a fucking lie that only the most gullible fell for.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's now how it works.

Members of the United States military do not get to pick and choose which wars they fight in. If the order comes down to go, they go. You cannot say "I do not support this". And if you get drafted, guess what, you go.

Trump is a coward. He bribed a doctor to give him a fake medical condition so he could dodge the traffic. Not only is that cowardly, it's illegal.

I am disgusted by the fake patriotism some people have in this country. They put a pin on their suit and suddenly they are a patriot. It's bullshit. The entire Trump family has avoided military service at all levels. He never did anything for our military or our country until the moment he decided to run for office.

A lot of people got out on technicalities they invented or went North to Canada. Are all those cowards?

Soldiers just follow orders. Joining up to go fight is a personal decision.

[pimpmaster9000]

I think trump should have at least gone over to vietnam and murdered a few 3rd world farmers so that he can at least pretend that he wants to protect the USA....he could have silenced critics who think he does not have enough innocent blood on his hands to be in a position to run the klingon empire...

I think he can make up for it if he flies over to vietnam and kills some farmers right now...it will make americans all warm in the heart and say "thank you for your service"...americans really appreciate when innocent farmers are murdered over lies...it shows patriotism and freedom...he could burn a few children and use some chemicals on civilians...maybe they can find a can of agent orange for him to display patriotism?...

americans should not vote for people who did not mow down groups of force drafted civilians with gunfire...trump is obviously not a "hero"...

delusional americans

[Acepimp]

His reasons for talking bad about MCain are valid. Dude was a traitor who cost many American lives.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Wrong. Cops killing unarmed black kids and getting away with it creates racial tension. Colin Kaepernick protests it. And before you say it, His protest does not need to be recast as patriotic, as patriotism is not a higher virtue than justice.

And Kaepernick is free to protest all he likes- ON HIS OWN TIME, not while at work at his job. What do you think happens if a Wal-mart cashier decides to stop checking out customers and decides to take a knee at the cash register? "Sorry, I'm protesting injustice.." -- They would be FIRED

[Bladewire]

Trump always gets caught in his web of lies

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I think trump should have at least gone over to vietnam and murdered a few 3rd world farmers so that he can at least pretend that he wants to protect the USA....he could have silenced critics who think he does not have enough innocent blood on his hands to be in a position to run the klingon empire...

I think he can make up for it if he flies over to vietnam and kills some farmers right now...it will make americans all warm in the heart and say "thank you for your service"...americans really appreciate when innocent farmers are murdered over lies...it shows patriotism and freedom...he could burn a few children and use some chemicals on civilians...maybe they can find a can of agent orange for him to display patriotism?...

americans should not vote for people who did not mow down groups of force drafted civilians with gunfire...trump is obviously not a "hero"...

delusional americans

Now war is fine for the sake of argumentation . . .

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A lot of people got out on technicalities they invented or went North to Canada. Are all those cowards?

Yes.

When your country says you are going into the military and going into a war zone, you can either stand up like a man or run and hide like a coward. Trump bribed a doctor and lied to the United States federal government. People go to prison for what Trump did.

Trump is a coward.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

His reasons for talking bad about MCain are valid. Dude was a traitor who cost many American lives.

A Russian troll calling American heroes traitors.

[baddog]

Trump was not talking to veterans in that interview and he never said what Princess is quoting him as saying.

Do all Alt-Left feel the need to lie, or is it just the gay Canadians?