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ldinternet · 04-23-2003, 09:59 AM

200, eh? :D

gothweb · 04-23-2003, 10:02 AM

Why not have a color code or icon to pick out the ones that are subject to 2257, but don't comply.

Also, why not step back a bit and say "in my opinion, according to my understanding of my attorney's appraisal of 2257 law. It can't hurt to give yourself a little leeway when saying "these are my competitors who are breakign the law."

Your statements as to who has been reviewed, and who is compliant, make it sound like you are representing the opinions of a legal authority. You aren't.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
How about checking http://www.amateur-cutie-content.com and http://www.rockbottomcontent.com both good companies by my experience they might as well be on your list.

Brad

Done.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
Why not have a color code or icon to pick out the ones that are subject to 2257, but don't comply.

Also, why not step back a bit and say "in my opinion, according to my understanding of my attorney's appraisal of 2257 law. It can't hurt to give yourself a little leeway when saying "these are my competitors who are breakign the law."

Your statements as to who has been reviewed, and who is compliant, make it sound like you are representing the opinions of a legal authority. You aren't.

Valid points. I will take this into consideration. Thank you.

Fletch XXX · 04-23-2003, 10:12 AM

Ive done business with Rock Bottom.

never a problem.

RATBOY · 04-23-2003, 10:13 AM

Thanks for adding Broadband Babes, Aaron.

I wonder if all these companies will get compliant after this.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RATBOY
Thanks for adding Broadband Babes, Aaron.

I wonder if all these companies will get compliant after this.

Hopefully they will. Many already have since the list was posted. I posted the same thread to 5 or so boards and my ICQ, email, and phone have been going off ever since.

LadyMischief · 04-23-2003, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Hopefully they will. Many already have since the list was posted. I posted the same thread to 5 or so boards and my ICQ, email, and phone have been going off ever since.

Considering this is something that you're not obliged to do.. in effect you are "helping" the competition, I think you've gone above and beyond the call of duty Aaron

Nice show.

Paul Markham · 04-23-2003, 10:41 AM

In a country so attorney/litigation scared and a business that is targetted by every do gooder with 5 minutes to spare I do not understand why any US website, webmaster does not absolutely insist on getting the 2257 documents with every purchase.

Forget 2257 it's rarely enforced, usually just added in with the other charges. Here are three scenarios that can and have happened and why you need the 2257 documentation.

(1) The police turn up at your door and ask if you have the proof of age of XZY girl as they have recieved a complaint she is under age.

Option one.
Go to the filing cabinet and show it to them

Option two
Your wife, mother, partner is emailing the content provider while the police are putting you into a cell with your new friends. The local chapter of Hells Angels. The police are telling them why you are there. Pass the lube...

(2)
You recieve a writ from an attorney, it seems the content on your site was taken by a boyfriend and the girl had no intention of selling it.

Option one
You fax the attorney the model release, IDs and contract and tell him you will see him in court.

Option two
You contact your attorney by phone and start paying $400 an hour from the second he answers his phone.

(3)
You get an email from the shooter or worse still APIC saying the content on your site is illegal.

Option one
Email them back the documents and ask how come this is.

Option two
Start driving a taxi for a living.

So I made a bit of a joke about a serious matter, but did the message get through?

Aarron
Where are those excellent guys at www.bargainbasementcontent.com ? Or weblegal?

YDG · 04-23-2003, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Cool, now ya just gotta make it compliant.

All sorted. http://www.cutecontent.com

J.R. · 04-23-2003, 10:48 AM

Aaron.. Porn Police.. I heard Ashhahahahaha is hiring.

gothweb · 04-23-2003, 10:50 AM

Thanks for adding me. It's good to be validated. ;)

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
In a country so attorney/litigation scared and a business that is targetted by every do gooder with 5 minutes to spare I do not understand why any US website, webmaster does not absolutely insist on getting the 2257 documents with every purchase.

UH...Because the law does not require that. Not only that...BUT...Depending on how the law is read, the webmaster may not even be a secondary producer so them posting their own info may not be 100% compliant.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by YDG

All sorted. http://www.cutecontent.com

Thanks...Updated.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Aaron.. Porn Police.. I heard Ashhahahahaha is hiring.

Don't be a dick to me just because you guys are not compliant. Fix it and I will update your listing.

Paul Markham · 04-23-2003, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
While this thread is here I figured I'd ask.

When I buy content and use it for a website is it OK just to link to the 2257 info of the provider?

And how many TGP submitters aren't compliant?

Your call. I think you should read my previous post on this though.

Paul Markham · 04-23-2003, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

UH...Because the law does not require that. Not only that...BUT...Depending on how the law is read, the webmaster may not even be a secondary producer so them posting their own info may not be 100% compliant.

But what about the rest of the reasons, none of them to do with 2257?

Or are you just waiting for me to reply, another DVD player in the post??

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Aaron.. Porn Police.. I heard Ashhahahahaha is hiring.

Oh, and BTW....Since we are a client of yours, I would personally request that you comply with the law or we will be forced to remove your feeds.

Any questions?

LadyMischief · 04-23-2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Oh, and BTW....Since we are a client of yours, I would personally request that you comply with the law or we will be forced to remove your feeds.

Any questions?

Owned, anyone? :P

gothweb · 04-23-2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Oh, and BTW....Since we are a client of yours, I would personally request that you comply with the law or we will be forced to remove your feeds.

Any questions?

I think that's the best kind of policing. Vote with your wallet, so to speak. That usually gets peoples' attention.

jonesy · 04-23-2003, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

I posted the same thread to 5 or so boards and my ICQ, email, and phone have been going off ever since.

no offense but I wonder when or if an attorney has called threatning to sue you for listing a client on your list.

these days ya gotta be really carefull of making accusations.

good lookin out bro.

LadyMischief · 04-23-2003, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonesy

no offense but I wonder when or if an attorney has called threatning to sue you for your list.

these days ya gotta be really carefull of making accusations.

good lookin out bro.

What "accusation" would you be referring to? Checking to see if people comply with the LAW, and stating when they don't? That's neither untruthful nor libelous. It's fact. Period.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonesy

no offense but I wonder when or if an attorney has called threatning to sue you for listing a client on your list.

these days ya gotta be really carefull of making accusations.

good lookin out bro.

There are plenty of stupid attorneys out there who might try. Great idea though....Drag me into a court building where I can tell a judge about how their client is breaking Federal laws.

Yep...Dem be da smert ones.

Paul Markham · 04-23-2003, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jcnlv
I am curious to know how many of the content brokers out there have actually *seen* any of the custodian of records information from the producers they represent.

It is great that they give the name and address of the producer... but what are they doing to verify that information?

Does the broker need copies of all releases and IDs to be fully compliant? .... or can he just pass the responsibility down to the producer?... or worse yet, the producer's agent...

Does anyone know the U.S. law on this?

A very good point, how many brokers just list some shooter 7,000 miles away as the CoR. Very reassuring while the leader of the pack is eying your rear end. Read scenario (1) from above.

jonesy · 04-23-2003, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
Drag me into a court building where I can tell a judge about how their client is breaking Federal laws.

I didnt know youre a lawyer! Cool!

J.R. · 04-23-2003, 11:40 AM

Officer Aaron.. I am adding the compliance back
onto the site.

Are you happy now ?

And for your information, it was up on the site
but was removed when we made some changes and
was forgotten about when we re uploaded to the server.

jonesy · 04-23-2003, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief

What "accusation" would you be referring to? Checking to see if people comply with the LAW, and stating when they don't? That's neither untruthful nor libelous. It's fact. Period.

youve obviously never been to court regarding libel or slander. A friend of mine had a similar non-compliance list regarding a totally different subject matter and was sued. My friend won but it was a pain in the ass.

Some of the companies listed arent american and dont have to adhere to american laws. That list can be misconstrued which then can give way to libel.

regarding america you can sue over spilled milk.

I do believe most reputable forgeign Content companies as well as American ones have model records on file, (what western country wouldnt have a law like that?) as most ive visited from that list have it in their licensing contracts but not veiwable on the site itself.

bottom line is: have your ass covered.

LadyMischief · 04-23-2003, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonesy

youve obviously never been to court regarding libel or slander. A friend of mine had a similar non-compliance list regarding a totally different subject matter and was sued. My friend won but it was a pain in the ass.

Some of the companies listed arent american and dont have to adhere to american laws. That list can be misconstrued which then can give way to libel.

I do believe most reputable forgeign Content companies have model records on file, (what western country wouldnt have a law like that?) as most ive visited from that list have it in their licensing contracts but not veiwable on the site itself.

bottom line is: have your ass covered.

Heh.. I'm not surprised your friend won. When someone murders someone, in front of witnesses, and someone from a newspaper prints it as fact (which it is) I'm sure the reporter could get sued too, since he's "damaging someone's reputation".

And most reputable foreign content providers do adhere to 2257 laws. Why? Because the majority of their clients are American, and in order to protect their customers, who would essentially take the fall if they don't comply. If you want to keep a loyal customer base in ANY business, you must cater to their needs, whether or not you actually HAVE to. It's just damn good business sense, and for those on US soil who are webmasters, it's the LAW.

Donny · 04-23-2003, 11:52 AM

I don't even see my name listed one way or the other on that site. Hmmm.....

jonesy · 04-23-2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief

" I'm sure the reporter could get sued too, since he's "damaging someone's reputation". .

check this out regarding nike

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...170/3vkqq.html

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonesy

I didnt know youre a lawyer! Cool!

Where did I say I was a lawyer?

You are aware that people do testify in court, right?

Fuctard.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Officer Aaron.. I am adding the compliance back
onto the site.

Are you happy now ?

And for your information, it was up on the site
but was removed when we made some changes and
was forgotten about when we re uploaded to the server.

Tell it to the judge.

Pretty important thing to be overlooked, wouldn't you agree?

LadyMischief · 04-23-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I don't even see my name listed one way or the other on that site. Hmmm.....

Did you miss the post Aaron made about contacting him?

Silly.. Icq him :P

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief

Did you miss the post Aaron made about contacting him? Silly.. Icq him :P

I was just about to post the same thing....only not as politely.

JConway · 04-23-2003, 12:28 PM

The only thing I don't understand is why everybody feels so compelled to ask another content provider if they meet his requirements to be added to or checked off his list?

jonesy · 04-23-2003, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Where did I say I was a lawyer?

You are aware that people do testify in court, right?

Fuctard.

hey aaron I wasnt being an asshole when I posted that.

You just came off/read that way.

Fucktard? whatya 14?

fuckin lighten up bro.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonesy

hey aaron I wasnt being an asshole when I posted that.

You just came off/read that way.

Fucktard? whatya 14?

fuckin lighten up bro.

LOL...You are alright in my book.

I love it when people can dish it out and take it as well.

LadyMischief · 04-23-2003, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

I was just about to post the same thing....only not as politely.

Yeah, but I'm cute and I have boobs. I can get away with the whole polite thing :P

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JConway
The only thing I don't understand is why everybody feels so compelled to ask another content provider if they meet his requirements to be added to or checked off his list?

Most likely because they did not consult with a competent attorney first and now they are getting a slap of reality in their face. The smart ones know it is better to fix it now then to be questioned by the Government later.

Then there are those who act like children and bitch when they are called out on the carpet. I will act like a child in return.

Ah, the fun of webmaster boards.

jonesy · 04-23-2003, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

LOL...You are alright in my book.

I love it when people can dish it out and take it as well.

dont give a fuck if im allright in your book.

but yea, its cool when peeps can snap on each other and still be cool!

Brujah · 04-23-2003, 12:33 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to buy content from any of those illegal content providers listed. It's eye-opening how many large criminal operations are running in the industry.

jreaka · 04-23-2003, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JConway
The only thing I don't understand is why everybody feels so compelled to ask another content provider if they meet his requirements to be added to or checked off his list?

No shit........I am glad he has the time to worry about what OTHER content providers are doing......work must be a little slow these days.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Officer Aaron.. I am adding the compliance back
onto the site.

Are you happy now ?

And for your information, it was up on the site
but was removed when we made some changes and
was forgotten about when we re uploaded to the server.

Cool...Let me know when you are compliant with the law and I will change your listing.

Anybody else see a problem here?

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonesy

dont give a fuck if im allright in your book.

but yea, its cool when peeps can snap on each other and still be cool!

Looks like we understand each other perfectly.

Fuck you very much.

J.R. · 04-23-2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Cool...Let me know when you are compliant with the law and I will change your listing.

Anybody else see a problem here?

Thanks for the free advertising

FetishTemptress · 04-23-2003, 12:51 PM

NO PO BOX addy allowed

FT**

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jreaka

No shit........I am glad he has the time to worry about what OTHER content providers are doing......work must be a little slow these days.

Ingornant fool.

If work was slow then one might think that I would have updated my content site at least once in the last year.

Sorry if it offends some of you stupid fuckers that I am trying to make sure that YOU, as a possible client of these companies, have your ass covered as well.

I love it when the uneducated speak.

AaronM · 04-23-2003, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FetishTemptress
NO PO BOX addy allowed

FT**

jreaka · 04-23-2003, 12:52 PM

The P.O. BOX THE P.O BOX!!!!!

What do I win?

I think we will stick with what our LAWYER has to say.......not our lord and savior AaronM

JConway · 04-23-2003, 12:55 PM

No offense

but you are one annoying fucker.

04-23-2003, 10:02 AM	#202
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Why not have a color code or icon to pick out the ones that are subject to 2257, but don't comply. Also, why not step back a bit and say "in my opinion, according to my understanding of my attorney's appraisal of 2257 law. It can't hurt to give yourself a little leeway when saying "these are my competitors who are breakign the law." Your statements as to who has been reviewed, and who is compliant, make it sound like you are representing the opinions of a legal authority. You aren't. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

04-23-2003, 10:12 AM	#205
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Ive done business with Rock Bottom. never a problem. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

04-23-2003, 10:41 AM	#209
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	In a country so attorney/litigation scared and a business that is targetted by every do gooder with 5 minutes to spare I do not understand why any US website, webmaster does not absolutely insist on getting the 2257 documents with every purchase. Forget 2257 it's rarely enforced, usually just added in with the other charges. Here are three scenarios that can and have happened and why you need the 2257 documentation. (1) The police turn up at your door and ask if you have the proof of age of XZY girl as they have recieved a complaint she is under age. Option one. Go to the filing cabinet and show it to them Option two Your wife, mother, partner is emailing the content provider while the police are putting you into a cell with your new friends. The local chapter of Hells Angels. The police are telling them why you are there. Pass the lube... (2) You recieve a writ from an attorney, it seems the content on your site was taken by a boyfriend and the girl had no intention of selling it. Option one You fax the attorney the model release, IDs and contract and tell him you will see him in court. Option two You contact your attorney by phone and start paying $400 an hour from the second he answers his phone. (3) You get an email from the shooter or worse still APIC saying the content on your site is illegal. Option one Email them back the documents and ask how come this is. Option two Start driving a taxi for a living. So I made a bit of a joke about a serious matter, but did the message get through? Aarron Where are those excellent guys at www.bargainbasementcontent.com ? Or weblegal? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-23-2003, 10:50 AM	#212
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Thanks for adding me. It's good to be validated. ;) __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

04-23-2003, 12:33 PM	#241
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to buy content from any of those illegal content providers listed. It's eye-opening how many large criminal operations are running in the industry. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

04-23-2003, 09:59 AM	#201
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	200, eh? :D

04-23-2003, 10:13 AM	#206
RATBOY Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,592	Thanks for adding Broadband Babes, Aaron. I wonder if all these companies will get compliant after this.

04-23-2003, 10:48 AM	#211
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Aaron.. Porn Police.. I heard Ashhahahahaha is hiring.

04-23-2003, 11:40 AM	#226
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Officer Aaron.. I am adding the compliance back onto the site. Are you happy now ? And for your information, it was up on the site but was removed when we made some changes and was forgotten about when we re uploaded to the server.

04-23-2003, 11:52 AM	#229
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I don't even see my name listed one way or the other on that site. Hmmm.....

04-23-2003, 12:28 PM	#235
JConway Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 594	The only thing I don't understand is why everybody feels so compelled to ask another content provider if they meet his requirements to be added to or checked off his list?

04-23-2003, 12:51 PM	#246
FetishTemptress Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,239	NO PO BOX addy allowed FT**

04-23-2003, 12:52 PM	#249
jreaka Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,096	The P.O. BOX THE P.O BOX!!!!! What do I win? I think we will stick with what our LAWYER has to say.......not our lord and savior AaronM

04-23-2003, 12:55 PM	#250
JConway Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 594	No offense but you are one annoying fucker.