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Brujah 04-22-2003 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
If it turns out Aaron is right, there won't be a case for libel.
I know at least one provider in the list who does have custodian info on the site. So a competitor is labeling him as running an illegal business and there's an insinuation that most of the competitors cannot be trusted.

jact 04-22-2003 04:33 PM

A company can't be a custodian.

stocktrader23 04-22-2003 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Rockstar
Hi AaronM

I am curious as to how we are in violation of any 2257 laws when we include BOTH model ID's and Model releases with our content purchases.
We are very concerned if we are in voliation and we would also appreciate any help you can offer

Thanks
Rockstar
http://www.faproductions.com

I'd like to see your response to the advice given by a few. I have some content I purchased from you that I don't want to use until you get a link up there.

AaronM 04-22-2003 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact


Too many webmasters are ignorant of the requirements, and a scary amount of content providers are. I'm not subject to 2257 but there's no way in hell I'd take the chance by not complying since most of my customers are US residents.

I would like to add that the custodial info on JactContent.com is by far the most impressive display I have seen.

Steve 04-22-2003 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
I like the idea of the list. Wonder if it'll make it to any resource sites.
I might link to it on my submit pages - I think my submit partners would find this information very useful.

Rockstar 04-22-2003 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by jact


You have some reading to do. Giving docs don't mean lickity if you aren't following the laws as they're laid out. What, you making the webmasters the custodians now?

I just want to follow the law and do things the right way and i will say a BIG thank you to AaronM for pointing it out

I am not here to get into any kind of pissing match. I am only trying to do the right thing. I have already messaged my partner and we will have this fixed by tomorrow and once again thanks :thumbsup

FATPad 04-22-2003 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah


I know at least one provider in the list who does have custodian info on the site. So a competitor is labeling him as running an illegal business and there's an insinuation that most of the competitors cannot be trusted.

Yes. If he is wrong, he can be sued for libel and defamation of character and all kinds of things.

If he is right, he can't be sued for anything.

Edited to add: That's why I think it would be in his best interests to answer the questions from the people he labelled as not conforming. If he did miss something, they can point it out now, and he can make a change to his list now before it escalates. But that's just my opinion. :P

jact 04-22-2003 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM


I would like to add that the custodial info on JactContent.com is by far the most impressive display I have seen.

Why thank you Aaron. As per my understanding of 2257 the date of production is important, not sure if it's a requirement but it helps authorities date a shoot to see if the models were in fact 18 at the time of production.

Kenneth K 04-22-2003 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM


Yes Kenneth, I saw this page but it does not conform to US law.

If this is the physical addy of your records AND your custodian of such...Please add his or her name above the address and let me know so I can update your listing.

Sankt Pauls Plads 9, kld.
1314 Copenhagen K
Denmark

Before Rockstart bitches....Notice how Kenneth at least made an effort?


Well, if thats all missing, gees... our biz is 100% legit, even with the danish version of IRS...

AaronM 04-22-2003 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah


I know at least one provider in the list who does have custodian info on the site. So a competitor is labeling him as running an illegal business and there's an insinuation that most of the competitors cannot be trusted.

Show me the mistake and I will fix it. Just as the initial post AND that web page state.

Fletch XXX 04-22-2003 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Gary
Theres nothing more fun than content providers eating their own. LOL

got that right.

jact 04-22-2003 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kenneth K



Well, if thats all missing, gees... our biz is 100% legit, even with the danish version of IRS...

That's a major omission though, the law specifically lays out that a company cannot be a custodian and it must be a person.

freeadultcontent 04-22-2003 04:39 PM

Well lemme see, I am not listed but I am also compliant. Custodians name and company name both posted. Physical address of our office that is our primary place of work and business (staffed 90% of the time 6 days a week during business hours). All shoots individually labled, and sorted by date with serial numbers.

basschick 04-22-2003 04:40 PM

a good thing to keep in mind is that some people have custodial info listed but don't have anyone there a lot of the time, so even if a content provider lists their custodial info, it doesn't mean that they are fully compliant.

i'd love to see a list of the providers that have someone at their custodian's address from 9 - 5.

Kenneth K 04-22-2003 04:40 PM

Danish laws are a bit different regarding that.

It must be a legal person signing the paper on behalf of the company... But since Denmark isnt the biggest in adult, I doesnt think theres any reason to make it set the standards...

EscortBiz 04-22-2003 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
a good thing to keep in mind is that some people have custodial info listed but don't have anyone there a lot of the time, so even if a content provider lists their custodial info, it doesn't mean that they are fully compliant.

i'd love to see a list of the providers that have someone at their custodian's address from 9 - 5.

I was about to say this

stocktrader23 04-22-2003 04:42 PM

While this thread is here I figured I'd ask.

When I buy content and use it for a website is it OK just to link to the 2257 info of the provider?

And how many TGP submitters aren't compliant? :winkwink:

Kenneth K 04-22-2003 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
a good thing to keep in mind is that some people have custodial info listed but don't have anyone there a lot of the time, so even if a content provider lists their custodial info, it doesn't mean that they are fully compliant.

i'd love to see a list of the providers that have someone at their custodian's address from 9 - 5.


We actually work in those hours :) And of course all of the other hours :winkwink:

basschick 04-22-2003 04:42 PM

freeadultcontent, just went to your site. i don't see your custodial info listed. where is it?

TDF 04-22-2003 04:43 PM

I sale real good 2257 compliancy..do as I sez not as I does

http://www.xenaproductions.com/legal.html

Rockstar 04-22-2003 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM


Show me the mistake and I will fix it. Just as the initial post AND that web page state.

Just for the record
I personally don't think AaronM is trying to hurt anyone
I believe he is just posting the information. And I for one do appreciate it. I don't feel that he is slandering anyone nor do i believe that is his intention.

We NOW have this information posted and thanks for the heads up
http://www.faproductions.com/title18.htm

freeadultcontent 04-22-2003 04:43 PM

Basschick click the giant title 18 button at the top of the main index. You must enter the site.

Aivengo 04-22-2003 04:44 PM

Hi AARON,

SEX-MODELING and AIVENGO PRODUCTIONS
www.sex-modeling.com always had accordance
with the requirements of US Federal Law SECTION 18 U.S.C. 2257

The records required by Section 2257 of Title 18 of the United States Code
with respect to visual depictions of actual sexually explicit conduct are kept by
the custodian of records, VLADIMIR AIVENGO, who can be reached at
[email protected]

jact 04-22-2003 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar


Just for the record
I personally don't think AaronM is trying to hurt anyone
I believe he is just posting the information. And I for one do appreciate it. I don't feel that he is slandering anyone nor do i believe that is his intention.

We NOW have this information posted and thanks for the heads up
http://www.faproductions.com/title18.htm

Is it linked yet?

stocktrader23 04-22-2003 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar


Just for the record
I personally don't think AaronM is trying to hurt anyone
I believe he is just posting the information. And I for one do appreciate it. I don't feel that he is slandering anyone nor do i believe that is his intention.

We NOW have this information posted and thanks for the heads up
http://www.faproductions.com/title18.htm

Good deal, will the info on each page be changed also?

jact 04-22-2003 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Basschick click the giant title 18 button at the top of the main index. You must enter the site.
I'd suggest making your custodial information available without making someone sign up. Since, uh, I believe the law can be interperited in this manner.

AaronM 04-22-2003 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar


Just for the record
I personally don't think AaronM is trying to hurt anyone
I believe he is just posting the information. And I for one do appreciate it. I don't feel that he is slandering anyone nor do i believe that is his intention.

We NOW have this information posted and thanks for the heads up
http://www.faproductions.com/title18.htm

Looks good. Your listing has been updated.

Thank you for playing. :glugglug

basschick 04-22-2003 04:47 PM

freeadultcontent - must one sign up in order to access your 2257 info?

Aivengo, you must have the actual address where the content is listed on your site AND you must actually be there from 9 am to 5 pm to show i.d. to any law enforcement. if all you have is your email address, that is not according to 2257.

AaronM 04-22-2003 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aivengo
Hi AARON,

SEX-MODELING and AIVENGO PRODUCTIONS
www.sex-modeling.com always had accordance
with the requirements of US Federal Law SECTION 18 U.S.C. 2257

The records required by Section 2257 of Title 18 of the United States Code
with respect to visual depictions of actual sexually explicit conduct are kept by
the custodian of records, VLADIMIR AIVENGO, who can be reached at
[email protected]


Exactly.

Go to jail, go directly to jail. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Thanks for proving my point.

Call an attorney before you embarrass yourself again.

quiet 04-22-2003 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
Theres nothing more fun than content providers eating their own. LOL

Its like watching vultures work on a corpse.

POPCORN!!!!

:glugglug

AaronM 04-22-2003 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact


I'd suggest making your custodial information available without making someone sign up. Since, uh, I believe the law can be interperited in this manner.

Yes, it can.

I do not recall the exact wording and I am too tired to look it up right now, but you are right.

I was not THAT picky though.

stocktrader23 04-22-2003 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
While this thread is here I figured I'd ask.

When I buy content and use it for a website is it OK just to link to the 2257 info of the provider?

And how many TGP submitters aren't compliant? :winkwink:


bump uhhhh down?

Kenneth K 04-22-2003 04:54 PM

Aaron, well, everything is now in place

Nydahl 04-22-2003 04:55 PM

I think I have something to do on tommorow
thanks for usefull info , I will fix the problem on our site asap :thumbsup

freeadultcontent 04-22-2003 04:55 PM

Basschick, the one I just pointed out is for the webmasters. If you check our rules we have this line in it.

For linking to our title 18 documentation please use this url, otherwise it is not publically accessable. http://www.free-adult-content.com/title18.htm

Which is for webmasters to link to. That requires no one to join.

Rockstar 04-22-2003 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM


Looks good. Your listing has been updated.

Thank you for playing. :glugglug

Thanks Aaronm!!

Jact
yes its linked
http://www.faproductions.com

If anyone has a question let me know
icq 177606166

AaronM 04-22-2003 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kenneth K
Aaron, well, everything is now in place
Sweetness....Your listing is updated now. :winkwink:

EscortBiz 04-22-2003 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar


Thanks Aaronm!!

Jact
yes its linked
http://www.faproductions.com

If anyone has a question let me know
icq 177606166

The correct way to write your address is:

3545 MCcall PL STE E

MichaelAncher 04-22-2003 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM


They day you become compliant and notify me then I will fix it.

You are NOT compliant.

I would appreciate it very much, if you would clarify your statement about my compliance.
I have stated in my License that I'm the record holder of any documentation needed according to
section 18 U.S.C. 2257 US Federal law, and it's also stated at my cover/index page.
So what's missing...??? Or what do you miss..??

AaronM 04-22-2003 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MichaelAncher


I would appreciate it very much, if you would clarify your statement about my compliance.
I have stated in my License that I'm the record holder of any documentation needed according to
section 18 U.S.C. 2257 US Federal law, and it's also stated at my cover/index page.
So what's missing...??? Or what do you miss..??

I did not miss anything. Read the thread. Your question has already been answered.

Fix it, let me know that it is fixed, and I will update the listing. Untill then, start kicking yourself for not asking a US attorney about US laws when you are selling to US clients.

Shame on you. :1orglaugh


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