President Obama says he?s sorry for Americans losing insurance plans

[Vendzilla]

http://news.yahoo.com/president-obam...233753421.html

But already 3.5 million Americans have had their healthcare plans cancelled, according to the Associated Press. Most of these are individuals who purchased plans directly from insurers, rather than through a workplace. The reason for the cancellations: their plans changed since the signing of the new healthcare law. While Obama was promising that you could keep your plan if you purchased it prior to the signing of the law on March 23, 2010, what he didn't say was that if a provider changed the plan its grandfather status would become void.



Vermont has 626,000 residents . A $170 million exchange is $272 for every man, woman and child in the state.
http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/01/v...change-fiasco/

[Sly]

Rochard says the plans were not good enough, so no big deal.

[bean-aid]

I thought obama care kicked in December?

I don't want to get into a huge debate about it... but that is what I heard. December.

[directfiesta]

major fuck-up ... unexcusable .

[looky_lou]

He never said he was sorry that his law is causing them to be canceled from their current insurance plans.

He said he is sorry that people didn't quite understand him when he said "If you like your current insurance plan, you can keep it. PERIOD!" and "If you like your current doctor, you can keep that doctor. PERIOD!".

[madeofmoney]

[adendreams]

Vendzilla do you jack off to Fox news 24/7 Obama smear coverage?

You must be getting such a kick out of this, enjoy it while you can...the ACA will be as popular as Medicare and Social Security in a couple years...can republicans can ever recover from this inevitability??I mean you clowns have staked EVERYTHING on Obamacare not working...you have bet the farm, there is no way to back peddle...total implosion of the GOP will be painful to watch.

[whOaKemosabe]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://news.yahoo.com/president-obam...233753421.html

But already 3.5 million Americans have had their healthcare plans cancelled, according to the Associated Press. Most of these are individuals who purchased plans directly from insurers, rather than through a workplace. The reason for the cancellations: their plans changed since the signing of the new healthcare law. While Obama was promising that you could keep your plan if you purchased it prior to the signing of the law on March 23, 2010, what he didn't say was that if a provider changed the plan its grandfather status would become void.



Vermont has 626,000 residents . A $170 million exchange is $272 for every man, woman and child in the state.
http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/01/v...change-fiasco/

LOL.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Sly

Rochard says the plans were not good enough, so no big deal.

If a healthcare plan doesn't include hospitalization, it's not really a healthcare plan at all. That's not a healthcare plan, it's a scam, and it should be criminal. Finally we have a healthcare law that takes care of this problem.... And all the Republicans are gonna do is stand in the corner and cry about it like little girls.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

If a healthcare plan doesn't include hospitalization, it's not really a healthcare plan at all. That's not a healthcare plan, it's a scam, and it should be criminal. Finally we have a healthcare law that takes care of this problem.... And all the Republicans are gonna do is stand in the corner and cry about it like little girls.

You are a complete fucking idiot.

[Joshua G]

anyone right wing should shut the fuck up about obamacare. What right winger in america has a solution for the uninsured problem & the runaway costs of capitalist healthcare?

obamacare sucks. but at least they are trying. repubs health care plan is called "fuck the poor"

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

anyone right wing should shut the fuck up about obamacare. What right winger in america has a solution for the uninsured problem & the runaway costs of capitalist healthcare?

obamacare sucks. but at least they are trying. repubs health care plan is called "fuck the poor"

Yeah, because Obama doesn't answer to the same people that bush did...

When are you dumb ass sheeples going to realize that the only ones who actually think there are "sides" are you dumb fucks?

[fitzmulti]

He's sorry alright.
'Nuff said...

[kane]

Originally Posted by beaner

I thought obama care kicked in December?

I don't want to get into a huge debate about it... but that is what I heard. December.

The new plans go live in January. The people getting these notices are being told that they will be dropped then because their existing plan doesn't cover the minimum acceptable coverage under obamacare.

I am actually one of them. I have only had a catastrophic coverage plan for years which doesn't cover doctor visits, prescriptions or anything non-life threatening. Obamacare will only let you have these kind of plans up to a certain age. In the end, if the prices on the exchange are correct I will end up with much better coverage for about $30 more per month.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Yeah, because Obama doesn't answer to the same people that bush did...

When are you dumb ass sheeples going to realize that the only ones who actually think there are "sides" are you dumb fucks?

If you don't see the difference between bush and obama, you aren't paying attention.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Rochard

If a healthcare plan doesn't include hospitalization, it's not really a healthcare plan at all. That's not a healthcare plan, it's a scam, and it should be criminal. Finally we have a healthcare law that takes care of this problem.... And all the Republicans are gonna do is stand in the corner and cry about it like little girls.

Rochard...how many insurance plans don't cover hospitalization? What tiny percentage of plans didn't?

The people losing their healthcare plans had great plans for the most part.

I was talking to my brother today...his wife is a dental assistant. He works for himself as a very successful fishing captain down in Port Charlotte, Fla.

The dentist told his wife that he is dropping the insurance for all his employees. ObamaCare made it too expensive.

So now she is going to have to find other insurance.

My brother and his son had a separate health insurance policy since his wife had an employee benefit one.

But NOW, because of ObamaCare, he is going to have to drop the insurance for him and his son and get a family plan on the "Exchange".

And the plans available aren't as good as the ones they already had. AND they are going to cost him almost double what their family paid out before.

The reason? Because if she tries to get insured now...it's under ObamaCare. And it would be by herself as an individual. She makes "too much money" as a dental assistant and the cost is astronomical for their family.

And my brother can't add her to his family plan because then it is no longer "grandfathered"

So the only option they have is to all go on the "Exchange" as a family. And it's going to double the cost of what they have had to pay out monthly...and all 3 of them will have less coverage than before.

That is the kind of shit that is happening to families across the country.

EDIT: And by the way....ObamaCare requires EVERYBODY to carry maternity insurance. Even single men. Even 80 year old women. Even women who have had hysterectomies or are not fertile.
So you single guys out there...just realize that your new and "improved" health plan also requires you to pay extra for maternity insurance.
You know...in case any of you males get pregnant. lol

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard...how many insurance plans don't cover hospitalization? What tiny percentage of plans didn't?

The people losing their healthcare plans had great plans for the most part.

I was talking to my brother today...his wife is a dental assistant. He works for himself as a very successful fishing captain down in Port Charlotte, Fla.

The dentist told his wife that he is dropping the insurance for all his employees. ObamaCare made it too expensive.

So now she is going to have to find other insurance.

My brother and his son had a separate health insurance policy since his wife had an employee benefit one.

But NOW, because of ObamaCare, he is going to have to drop the insurance for him and his son and get a family plan on the "Exchange".

And the plans available aren't as good as the ones they already had. AND they are going to cost him almost double what their family paid out before.

The reason? Because if she tries to get insured now...it's under ObamaCare. And it would be by herself as an individual. She makes "too much money" as a dental assistant and the cost is astronomical for their family.

And my brother can't add her to his family plan because then it is no longer "grandfathered"

So the only option they have is to all go on the "Exchange" as a family. And it's going to double the cost of what they have had to pay out monthly...and all 3 of them will have less coverage than before.

That is the kind of shit that is happening to families across the country.

EDIT: And by the way....ObamaCare requires EVERYBODY to carry maternity insurance. Even single men. Even 80 year old women. Even women who have had hysterectomies or are not fertile.
So you single guys out there...just realize that your new and "improved" health plan also requires you to pay extra for maternity insurance.
You know...in case any of you males get pregnant. lol

But as a republican, this is good. The dentist shouldn't be picking out the insurance for his employees. This is a huge plus for the USA in the long run. She didn't have cheap insurance before, the dentist was subsidizing her.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

When are you dumb ass sheeples going to realize that the only ones who actually think there are "sides" are you dumb fucks?

[potter]

Originally Posted by kane

The new plans go live in January. The people getting these notices are being told that they will be dropped then because their existing plan doesn't cover the minimum acceptable coverage under obamacare.

I am actually one of them. I have only had a catastrophic coverage plan for years which doesn't cover doctor visits, prescriptions or anything non-life threatening. Obamacare will only let you have these kind of plans up to a certain age. In the end, if the prices on the exchange are correct I will end up with much better coverage for about $30 more per month.

Uh no, I'm pretty sure that's not possible. The republicans are saying ACA is the end of the world.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Vermont has 626,000 residents . A $170 million exchange is $272 for every man, woman and child in the state.
http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/01/v...change-fiasco/

Here you go vend a real news source not redstate and vermont has nothing to do with obamas health exchange.

http://www.businessinsider.com/vermo...macare-2013-10

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Rochard

If a healthcare plan doesn't include hospitalization, it's not really a healthcare plan at all. That's not a healthcare plan, it's a scam, and it should be criminal. Finally we have a healthcare law that takes care of this problem.... And all the Republicans are gonna do is stand in the corner and cry about it like little girls.

Thank you. People just dont know, myself included. I thought hospitalization in a insurance plan was a given. And found out I was wrong so these were piece of shit plans.
But it also shows this isnt socialism its capitalism. Obama has no control over their actions. Insurance companies pitched sick people for years no one gave a shit. ACA is trying to protect people from that and now the insurance companies are fucking him. Old balless should of pushed for a public option.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard...how many insurance plans don't cover hospitalization? What tiny percentage of plans didn't?

The people losing their healthcare plans had great plans for the most part.

I was talking to my brother today...his wife is a dental assistant. He works for himself as a very successful fishing captain down in Port Charlotte, Fla.

The dentist told his wife that he is dropping the insurance for all his employees. ObamaCare made it too expensive.

So now she is going to have to find other insurance.

My brother and his son had a separate health insurance policy since his wife had an employee benefit one.

But NOW, because of ObamaCare, he is going to have to drop the insurance for him and his son and get a family plan on the "Exchange".

And the plans available aren't as good as the ones they already had. AND they are going to cost him almost double what their family paid out before.

The reason? Because if she tries to get insured now...it's under ObamaCare. And it would be by herself as an individual. She makes "too much money" as a dental assistant and the cost is astronomical for their family.

And my brother can't add her to his family plan because then it is no longer "grandfathered"

So the only option they have is to all go on the "Exchange" as a family. And it's going to double the cost of what they have had to pay out monthly...and all 3 of them will have less coverage than before.

That is the kind of shit that is happening to families across the country.

EDIT: And by the way....ObamaCare requires EVERYBODY to carry maternity insurance. Even single men. Even 80 year old women. Even women who have had hysterectomies or are not fertile.
So you single guys out there...just realize that your new and "improved" health plan also requires you to pay extra for maternity insurance.
You know...in case any of you males get pregnant. lol

I don't know about you but for the 12 yrs Ive been paying for my health insurance it goes up every year, its like a xmas gift from my healthcare company. I think people are using obama as an excuse because its a big cost whether aca happened or not.
Also a girl has a baby with no insurance guess who pays for it?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

anyone right wing should shut the fuck up about obamacare. What right winger in america has a solution for the uninsured problem & the runaway costs of capitalist healthcare?

obamacare sucks. but at least they are trying. repubs health care plan is called "fuck the poor"

Very true and the reason they have nothing is obamacare is their plan created by the heritage foundation pushed by Dole against Hilary care. Newt hailed everyone having to buy insurance as personal responsibility.

They should work to make it better but when you get elected based on you will do nothing with the kenyan. You are painted into a corner.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by **********

If you don't see the difference between bush and obama, you aren't paying attention.

If you look at policies not the bullshit that comes out of his mouth. Bush and Obama are pretty much in lockstep.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

Here you go vend a real news source not redstate and vermont has nothing to do with obamas health exchange.

http://www.businessinsider.com/vermo...macare-2013-10

You need to read it again, it's goal is to move past Obamacare in 2017.
It has a lot of holes in their plans as to how they will do it and leaves a lot of people in the cold. And has already spent $262 per person just for the exchange. How is this going to save money like Obama promised?

Plain and simple. Obama lied to get his agenda passed. He got all the democrats on board to get it passed with out any GOP. All the time lying to the American Public.

I have been against this since day one, why? I like the idea of universal healthcare. This bill was never read or understood by the ASSHOLES that supported it.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

If you look at policies not the bullshit that comes out of his mouth. Bush and Obama are pretty much in lockstep.

I have to ask, what the fuck does Bush have to do with Obamacare?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

The new plans go live in January. The people getting these notices are being told that they will be dropped then because their existing plan doesn't cover the minimum acceptable coverage under obamacare.

I am actually one of them. I have only had a catastrophic coverage plan for years which doesn't cover doctor visits, prescriptions or anything non-life threatening. Obamacare will only let you have these kind of plans up to a certain age. In the end, if the prices on the exchange are correct I will end up with much better coverage for about $30 more per month.

I'm curious, how does your deductible and copay look with a new set up?

That's where people are seeing the big change.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I have to ask, what the fuck does Bush have to do with Obamacare?

as far as policies they are pretty close. I know you hate that but the black guy is very much like the white guy.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

anyone right wing should shut the fuck up about obamacare. What right winger in america has a solution for the uninsured problem & the runaway costs of capitalist healthcare?

obamacare sucks. but at least they are trying. repubs health care plan is called "fuck the poor"

Um, they modeled it after romney care, a republican plan that's working

You should just shut up now, at least Mitt didn't lie to the people to get it passed!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You need to read it again, it's goal is to move past Obamacare in 2017.
It has a lot of holes in their plans as to how they will do it and leaves a lot of people in the cold. And has already spent $262 per person just for the exchange. How is this going to save money like Obama promised?

Plain and simple. Obama lied to get his agenda passed. He got all the democrats on board to get it passed with out any GOP. All the time lying to the American Public.

I have been against this since day one, why? I like the idea of universal healthcare. This bill was never read or understood by the ASSHOLES that supported it.

Of course the bill was read,they take old nancy out of context. Its the dole plan that you would of supported. lol He should of went for you could buy into a public option or medicare for all but he isnt a liberal so he wouldnt do that. It wasnt even on the table.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

as far as policies they are pretty close. I know you hate that but the black guy is very much like the white guy.

Again, what does that have to do with Obamacare?

You liberals wanted to impeach Bush for lying about wmd's in Iraq, it that what you are trying to say, we need to impeach Obama? OK!!! I'm with you!

[Barry-xlovecam]

[P]rincipal Findings

Per capita lifetime expenditure is $316,600, a third higher for females ($361,200) than males ($268,700). Two-fifths of this difference owes to women's longer life expectancy. Nearly one-third of lifetime expenditures is incurred during middle age, and nearly half during the senior years. For survivors to age 85, more than one-third of their lifetime expenditures will accrue in their remaining years. ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1361028/

This is from one state's data, one insurer (Michigan, Michigan Blue Cross Blue Shield) and from 2004.

Maybe, closer to $450,000 would be a more current number. Doesn't seem to me that the new Obamacare costs are not that far from reality. There is a lot of "pork" in this new legal requirement.

So, a new tax and universal healthcare would be a more acceptable alternative?
We are on the roadmap to that anyway -- just a matter of time ...

Maybe, there should be another alternative: You have insurance or cash up front -- or you are left to die in the street.

[Tom_PM]

Step 1. DON'T GET SICK
Step 2. But if you do get sick..
Step 3. DIE QUICKLY

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Again, what does that have to do with Obamacare?

You liberals wanted to impeach Bush for lying about wmd's in Iraq, it that what you are trying to say, we need to impeach Obama? OK!!! I'm with you!

Having all those soldiers die for a lie is ok with you? People not in policies that cover nothing so we have to pay for works for you?
Now you do have government healthcare so you really have no dog in this fight.

[crockett]

Why do I get the feeling, that Vendzilla is gonna be one of these guys that lose it and start shooting.. He's way to fucking obsessed.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

anyone right wing should shut the fuck up about obamacare. What right winger in america has a solution for the uninsured problem & the runaway costs of capitalist healthcare?

obamacare sucks. but at least they are trying. repubs health care plan is called "fuck the poor"

Do you know that Many POOR can not get coverage under Obama Care?

It only helps the people get coverage that might have a couple extra hundred dollars a month, that brings a $500 plan down to $150-$200.

It also helps the people already paying for insurance to a little lower rates.

This Poor thing is the BIGGEST LIE Ever.

Wow get insurance, have something bad happen and still have a 30% bill, some of the MAX amounts are $12K or More. If they are POOR, they can not afford the $300 a month before ACA, they can Not afford the $12K they would be hit with.

I do not know how many states did not take the Federal Extension, Mine did not. So if you do not make up to a certain amount of money, you do NOT qualify. You are also not on any insurance like Medicaid.

BUT, if you still need something done, you can go to ANY Emergency Room and get service.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do I get the feeling, that Vendzilla is gonna be one of these guys that lose it and start shooting.. He's way to fucking obsessed.

Vend is a good guy. He just gets too worked up about politics and board debates. lol

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

Having all those soldiers die for a lie is ok with you? People not in policies that cover nothing so we have to pay for works for you?
Now you do have government healthcare so you really have no dog in this fight.

Difference is that he got congress, both sides to pass on going to war
Barry only got the dems to pass on this and as a result has divided the country so badly that we now have the Tea Party. All based on a bold face lie. I think Bush got bad intel. I think Barry just didn't give a shit what the law said, like Pelosi said, we'll see what's in it after we pass it. And Barry has yet to apologize for misleading the country

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do I get the feeling, that Vendzilla is gonna be one of these guys that lose it and start shooting.. He's way to fucking obsessed.

I'm more of a bare knuckle fighter, always have been

Originally Posted by tony286

Vend is a good guy. He just gets too worked up about politics and board debates. lol

I don't get as worked up as I use to. Now that people are seeing what a great salesman and bad president Barry is!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

Of course the bill was read,they take old nancy out of context. Its the dole plan that you would of supported. lol He should of went for you could buy into a public option or medicare for all but he isnt a liberal so he wouldnt do that. It wasnt even on the table.

I wasn't given a choice, I was lied to about the plan that I got.

I wish Dole would have won, I think Elizabeth Dole would have been the greatest first lady of all time!

Reagan spoke out against the government having control over healthcare.

[BFT3K]

And the Republican healthcare plan is.....

[Tom_PM]

Reagan secretly sold arms to Iran and gave the money to the Nicaraguan Contras in violation of law. Another damned liar I'm sure you agree.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I wasn't given a choice, I was lied to about the plan that I got.

I wish Dole would have won, I think Elizabeth Dole would have been the greatest first lady of all time!

Reagan spoke out against the government having control over healthcare.

No he was speaking out against medicare for old people. lol

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

And the Republican healthcare plan is.....

Step 1. DON'T GET SICK
Step 2. But if you do get sick..
Step 3. DIE QUICKLY
__________________

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard...how many insurance plans don't cover hospitalization? What tiny percentage of plans didn't?

The people losing their healthcare plans had great plans for the most part.

I was talking to my brother today...his wife is a dental assistant. He works for himself as a very successful fishing captain down in Port Charlotte, Fla.

The dentist told his wife that he is dropping the insurance for all his employees. ObamaCare made it too expensive.

So now she is going to have to find other insurance.

My brother and his son had a separate health insurance policy since his wife had an employee benefit one.

But NOW, because of ObamaCare, he is going to have to drop the insurance for him and his son and get a family plan on the "Exchange".

And the plans available aren't as good as the ones they already had. AND they are going to cost him almost double what their family paid out before.

The reason? Because if she tries to get insured now...it's under ObamaCare. And it would be by herself as an individual. She makes "too much money" as a dental assistant and the cost is astronomical for their family.

And my brother can't add her to his family plan because then it is no longer "grandfathered"

So the only option they have is to all go on the "Exchange" as a family. And it's going to double the cost of what they have had to pay out monthly...and all 3 of them will have less coverage than before.

That is the kind of shit that is happening to families across the country.

EDIT: And by the way....ObamaCare requires EVERYBODY to carry maternity insurance. Even single men. Even 80 year old women. Even women who have had hysterectomies or are not fertile.
So you single guys out there...just realize that your new and "improved" health plan also requires you to pay extra for maternity insurance.
You know...in case any of you males get pregnant. lol

This is not rocket science. Some plans are going to change because of a new law.

The vast majority aren't "loosing their healthcare". Their plans are changing. This happens on any given year when healthcare providers change their plans every year. In the end it's kind of pointless; Healthcare costs rise every year.

Why is the dentist has to drop plans when my wife works for a doctor's office and our healthcare plans are expanding? According to my wife's boss, a foot doctor, it would be stupid for her not to offer all of us benefits - it would cost her more not to.

The problem is some of you are taking the changes that happen every year and now blaming them on Obamacare. Every year when having employer healthcare, we had to pick our our plan. In some cases, the plans we had no longer existed. This is a year thing, not really because of Obamacare.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I wasn't given a choice, I was lied to about the plan that I got.

I wish Dole would have won, I think Elizabeth Dole would have been the greatest first lady of all time!

Reagan spoke out against the government having control over healthcare.

Perhaps Reagan did in fact speak out against government healthcare in the 1980s. That was a long time ago; Healthcare wasn't even an issue on the radar thirty years ago. But now it's become a huge problem, and healthcare costs are completely out of control.

If Reagan president today, it's entirely possible he would be singing a different song today. Come to think of it, wasn't there a similar Republican healthcare bill before Obama came into office? So basically Reagan said it was bad, yet the Republicans wanted to do it anyhow.

[RyuLion]

yawnnnnn....

[BFT3K]

[Minte]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do I get the feeling, that Vendzilla is gonna be one of these guys that lose it and start shooting.. He's way to fucking obsessed.

Ok... This took about 5 minutes to put together on the first 4 of 27+pages of search results.

Who is obsessed?

GOP once again all talk no action..

Tea Party = Koch Brothers

Bill to defend NSA problem blocked mostly by Republicans

13 Maine republicans turn their backs on the RNP

Republicans Got less out of the deal than had they agreed to it before the shut down..

John McCain never stops being a sore loser

How do you argue with this?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

And the Republican healthcare plan is.....

They don't seem to have a plan. Or a plan b. Or another option. Or even a suggestion. Or a clue. Their entire line of attack is "defeat Obamacare". It's become a law, and it went all the way up to the Supreme court; The Republican party shut down the entire US government trying to defeat this and failed.

No matter what the Republicans look horrible here, and it's reflected by the lowest approval rating of Congress in my lifetime. Even if the Republican party was to defeat this, the end result was four to six years and billions dollars wasted, the Republicans looking bad for not doing it sooner, and still no healthcare plan.