Arizona executes its oldest inmate for 1978 killing - GoFuckYourself.com

brassmonkey · 10-09-2013, 11:50 AM

PHOENIX -

Arizona has executed the oldest person on its death row for killing a man in 1978 during a robbery.

71-year-old Edward Harold Schad Jr. was given a lethal dose of pentobarbital and was pronounced dead at 10:12 a.m. at the state prison in Florence.

Schad was convicted twice of killing 74-year-old Lorimer "Leroy" Grove of Bisbee, in rural southeastern Arizona.

Grove was last seen leaving Bisbee pulling a trailer with his new Cadillac on the way to visit his sister in Washington state. He was found dead with a rope knotted around his neck on Aug. 9, 1978, south of Prescott.

Investigators say Schad drove Grove's car across the country for a month, used his credit cards and forged a check from the victim's bank account.

Schad was originally scheduled to be executed in March. It was postponed when the Supreme Court denied a request to lift a lower court's order to block the execution. The high court reinstated the punishment back in June.

Schad's execution was Arizona's 35th since 1992. His death leaves 121 people on the death row in the state, including two women.

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Rochard · 10-09-2013, 11:54 AM

This is how we should do it.

Let them rot in prison for forty years, letting them get ass raped three or four times daily, then kill them before they are ready to die. Perfect.

Rochard · 10-09-2013, 11:55 AM

That should be a new sentence. Forty years in prison, then the state kills you if you live that long. Go to hell with a wide asshole.

- Jesus Christ - · 10-09-2013, 12:02 PM

Smells sadistic closeted gay in here.

SuckOnThis · 10-09-2013, 12:06 PM

Less govt, except when it comes to killing people.

sandman! · 10-09-2013, 12:09 PM

_Richard_ · 10-09-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

Smells sadistic closeted gay in here.

no fucking kidding.

do you think he means the war vets who got busted and thrown in jail for a dimebag of weed?

i can't imagine how he'd distinguish 'rape-able criminals' to 'just caught up in a fucked up system'

Jim_Gunn · 10-09-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is how we should do it.

Let them rot in prison for forty years, letting them get ass raped three or four times daily, then kill them before they are ready to die. Perfect.

This oft repeated idea of gleefully letting prisoners get punished by rape is ridiculous and offensive for some of those who have worked to reduce sexual violence in society. Firstly, there are a lot of people in prison for relatively minor or at least non-violent crimes, not to mention quite a few who are innocent of the crime they were convicted of. Is it fair to let people like these be anally gang raped and possibly spread HIV or other diseases to knowing that most of them are going to be released to the community again?

Imagine that you had a young son or brother or nephew or cousin who wasn't a hardcore criminal or gang banger but who fucked up and did something stupid that he had to do a little state time for. Those are the kind of young men who are going to be victimized by older veteran jailbirds, gangsters and lifers. The whole prison for profit system is a pretty fucked up concept as there is an incentive for police and the justice system to put people away in prison for bullshit things like drug possession.

brassmonkey · 10-09-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

no fucking kidding.

do you think he means the war vets who got busted and thrown in jail for a dimebag of weed?

i can't imagine how he'd distinguish 'rape-able criminals' to 'just caught up in a fucked up system'

some drunk drivers end up in prison. i heard some horror stories about it

PR_Glen · 10-09-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

This oft repeated idea of gleefully letting prisoners get punished by rape is ridiculous and offensive for some of those who have worked to reduce sexual violence in society. Firstly, there are a lot of people in prison for relatively minor or at least non-violent crimes, not to mention quite a few who are innocent of the crime they were convicted of. Is it fair to let people like these be anally gang raped and possibly spread HIV or other diseases to knowing that most of them are going to be released to the community again?

Imagine that you had a young son or brother or nephew or cousin who wasn't a hardcore criminal or gang banger but who fucked up and did something stupid that he had to do a little state time for. Those are the kind of young men who are going to be victimized by older veteran jailbirds, gangsters and lifers. The whole prison for profit system is a pretty fucked up concept as there is an incentive for police and the justice system to put people away in prison for bullshit things like drug possession.

well said, people get so separated from things like this but if you think about it having family or a friend locked up for something ridiculous isn't all that far fetched and the idea of accepted corporal punishment is small minded.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 10-09-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

some drunk drivers end up in prison. i heard some horror stories about it

Good, because that's where assholes who endanger the lives of others belong. ALL drunk drivers should be in prison.

Scott McD · 10-09-2013, 01:20 PM

People here are doing all sorts of shit and getting released in 3 or 4 years max...

_Richard_ · 10-09-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Good, because that's where assholes who endanger the lives of others belong. ALL drunk drivers should be in prison.

what about the people on prescription medication?

pornguy · 10-09-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

This oft repeated idea of gleefully letting prisoners get punished by rape is ridiculous and offensive for some of those who have worked to reduce sexual violence in society. Firstly, there are a lot of people in prison for relatively minor or at least non-violent crimes, not to mention quite a few who are innocent of the crime they were convicted of. Is it fair to let people like these be anally gang raped and possibly spread HIV or other diseases to knowing that most of them are going to be released to the community again?

Imagine that you had a young son or brother or nephew or cousin who wasn't a hardcore criminal or gang banger but who fucked up and did something stupid that he had to do a little state time for. Those are the kind of young men who are going to be victimized by older veteran jailbirds, gangsters and lifers. The whole prison for profit system is a pretty fucked up concept as there is an incentive for police and the justice system to put people away in prison for bullshit things like drug possession.

Lets say this a different way.

Now days in the State Attorneys offices they throw shit against the wall to see what sticks.

Rochard · 10-09-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

This oft repeated idea of gleefully letting prisoners get punished by rape is ridiculous and offensive for some of those who have worked to reduce sexual violence in society. Firstly, there are a lot of people in prison for relatively minor or at least non-violent crimes, not to mention quite a few who are innocent of the crime they were convicted of. Is it fair to let people like these be anally gang raped and possibly spread HIV or other diseases to knowing that most of them are going to be released to the community again?

Imagine that you had a young son or brother or nephew or cousin who wasn't a hardcore criminal or gang banger but who fucked up and did something stupid that he had to do a little state time for. Those are the kind of young men who are going to be victimized by older veteran jailbirds, gangsters and lifers. The whole prison for profit system is a pretty fucked up concept as there is an incentive for police and the justice system to put people away in prison for bullshit things like drug possession.

I used to be all for the death penalty. Kill someone, and society will kill you back. Simple.

But that's not really a punishment, is it? No pain, no suffering, just done. We'll even feed you the meal of your choice on your final day, like a little party.

Fuck that. Dark cell, bread and water for the next forty years. No cable television. No tennis. No sunlight. No reading material, no visitors, no conversation, no nothing.

I am not saying everyone in prison should be treated this way. But if you are in for rape or murder, you deserve nothing more than a dark cell for the rest of your life.

Jim_Gunn · 10-09-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I used to be all for the death penalty. Kill someone, and society will kill you back. Simple.

But that's not really a punishment, is it? No pain, no suffering, just done. We'll even feed you the meal of your choice on your final day, like a little party.

Fuck that. Dark cell, bread and water for the next forty years. No cable television. No tennis. No sunlight. No reading material, no visitors, no conversation, no nothing.

I am not saying everyone in prison should be treated this way. But if you are in for rape or murder, you deserve nothing more than a dark cell for the rest of your life.

I too used to be for the death penalty until it came to light that there were hundreds of cases of people being sent to death row who were later exonerated by DNA or other evidence. The justice system unfortunately is pretty imperfect. Even with crimes like murder or rape there are many degrees of evil. Does a guy with no criminal record who kills some drunk idiot accidentally in a fist fight on the street in front of a bar deserve the same torture you are proposing as a serial killer who tortures and eats his victims?

Same with rape. Does a guy whose attorney advises him to take a plea over a date rape with he said she said evidence about whether it was consensual or the female was just a little too drunk and regretted it after she was slut shamed by her friends the next day deserve the same sentence as a career criminal who conks an old lady over the head with a metal pipe and raped and beat her for four hours in her apartment?

Your overly simplistic and harsh punishments and don't make sense and won't work. Even our flawed justice system recognizes different degrees of crimes and has a lot of latitude for sentencing based on the individual facts and circumstances as well as other mitigating factors such as the person's criminal history or lack thereof.

Rochard · 10-09-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I too used to be for the death penalty until it came to light that there were hundreds of cases of people being sent to death row who were later exonerated by DNA or other evidence. The justice system unfortunately is pretty imperfect. Even with crimes like murder or rape there are many degrees of evil. Does a guy with no criminal record who kills some drunk idiot accidentally in a fist fight on the street in front of a bar deserve the same torture you are proposing as a serial killer who tortures and eats his victims?

Same with rape. Does a guy whose attorney advises him to take a plea over a date rape with he said she said evidence about whether it was consensual or the female was just a little too drunk and regretted it after she was slut shamed by her friends the next day deserve the same sentence as a career criminal who conks an old lady over the head with a metal pipe and raped and beat her for four hours in her apartment?

Your overly simplistic and harsh punishments and don't make sense and won't work. Even our flawed justice system recognizes different degrees of crimes and has a lot of latitude for sentencing based on the individual facts and circumstances as well as other mitigating factors such as the person's criminal history or lack thereof.

The rich get off and the poor get railroaded. It's a simple matter of affording legal representation.

My problem is people go to prison and it's more of a vacation than it is a punishment. Cable TV and hanging out outside playing basketball and tennis like a fucking country club; Forget that already.

Prison is supposed to be punishment, not a country club. And we need to make it a punishment.

nexcom28 · 10-09-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

PHOENIX -

Arizona has executed the oldest person on its death row for killing a man in 1978 during a robbery.

71-year-old Edward Harold Schad Jr. was given a lethal dose of pentobarbital and was pronounced dead at 10:12 a.m. at the state prison in Florence.

Schad was convicted twice of killing 74-year-old Lorimer "Leroy" Grove of Bisbee, in rural southeastern Arizona.

Grove was last seen leaving Bisbee pulling a trailer with his new Cadillac on the way to visit his sister in Washington state. He was found dead with a rope knotted around his neck on Aug. 9, 1978, south of Prescott.

Investigators say Schad drove Grove's car across the country for a month, used his credit cards and forged a check from the victim's bank account.

Schad was originally scheduled to be executed in March. It was postponed when the Supreme Court denied a request to lift a lower court's order to block the execution. The high court reinstated the punishment back in June.

Schad's execution was Arizona's 35th since 1992. His death leaves 121 people on the death row in the state, including two women.

full article...

I think this is shit. Execute a guy that is virtually deceased anyway. Why would you not do it back in the early 80's? Why wait 30 odd years.
I expect he had a pretty good life in prison, all this talk about ass fucking is nonsense.

Jim_Gunn · 10-09-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The rich get off and the poor get railroaded. It's a simple matter of affording legal representation.

My problem is people go to prison and it's more of a vacation than it is a punishment. Cable TV and hanging out outside playing basketball and tennis like a fucking country club; Forget that already.

Prison is supposed to be punishment, not a country club. And we need to make it a punishment.

Have you even seen a documentary on tv about what life is like inside a prison? It hardly looks like a country club, at least not here in the U.S..

_Richard_ · 10-09-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Have you even seen a documentary on tv about what life is like inside a prison? It hardly looks like a country club, at least not here in the U.S..

last guy who tried doing something like that was shot dead in jonestown

busy bodies.

poncabare · 10-09-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Good, because that's where assholes who endanger the lives of others belong. ALL drunk drivers should be in prison.

Why? Drinking alcohol isn't illegal

izombie · 10-09-2013, 10:21 PM

My mother was a juror on a death penalty case in the late 80's and they found him guilty and sentenced him to the chair, he is still sitting on death row.

brassmonkey · 10-09-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by poncabare

Why? Drinking alcohol isn't illegal

drink a 12 pack and drive

epitome · 10-09-2013, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

no fucking kidding.

do you think he means the war vets who got busted and thrown in jail for a dimebag of weed?

i can't imagine how he'd distinguish 'rape-able criminals' to 'just caught up in a fucked up system'

Someone selling a dime bag of weed does not end up in the same place (or population) as a murderer on death row. Surprised that such a basic concept is foreign to you.

fuzebox · 10-09-2013, 11:10 PM

Why wasn't he executed in 1978?

kane · 10-09-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I used to be all for the death penalty. Kill someone, and society will kill you back. Simple.

But that's not really a punishment, is it? No pain, no suffering, just done. We'll even feed you the meal of your choice on your final day, like a little party.

Fuck that. Dark cell, bread and water for the next forty years. No cable television. No tennis. No sunlight. No reading material, no visitors, no conversation, no nothing.

I am not saying everyone in prison should be treated this way. But if you are in for rape or murder, you deserve nothing more than a dark cell for the rest of your life.

Here is the potential problem with doing this. First, sometimes innocent people are convicted. This can be changed if we make it mandatory for any and all DNA evidence that could be collected to be used during the trial. No more trying to get evidence withheld because it could hurt your case. Both sides have to take the good with the bad. There would need to be some serious changes to our justice system.

But the occasional innocent person aside, let's talk about the people that deal with these people. When you cage someone and treat them in this way it won't be long until they basically turn into an animal. Being exposed to that kind of thing day in and day out and dealing with those type of people can royally fuck up the prison guards. Many prison guards end up messed up with just regular prison. We will now have a whole new level of problems with them.

Lastly, it likely won't cause a reduction in rape or murder. People who commit those kinds of crimes are fucked up in the head and in most cases they don't consider the potential consequences of their actions. Could it cut down on armed robberies? Maybe. Maybe people that would commit those types of crimes will find themselves deciding not to use a a weapon so the chances of someone dying are reduced, but is that potentially small reduction worth being known as the country that keeps hundreds of people caged up and treated like animals?

JockoHomo · 10-10-2013, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I used to be all for the death penalty. Kill someone, and society will kill you back. Simple.

But that's not really a punishment, is it? No pain, no suffering, just done. We'll even feed you the meal of your choice on your final day, like a little party.

Fuck that. Dark cell, bread and water for the next forty years. No cable television. No tennis. No sunlight. No reading material, no visitors, no conversation, no nothing.

I am not saying everyone in prison should be treated this way. But if you are in for rape or murder, you deserve nothing more than a dark cell for the rest of your life.

Oh an "eye for an eye" - how Biblical!

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 10-10-2013, 07:42 PM

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The execution of 71-year-old Edward Harold Schad Jr. came about two hours after the U.S. Supreme Court denied his final appeals.

At about 10 a.m., the warden at the state prison in Florence read Schad's execution warrant and asked him if he had anything to say.

Schad responded: "Well, after 34 years I'm free to fly away home. Thank you, warden. Those are my last words."

He then lay quietly and looked at the ceiling as he was given a lethal dose of pentobarbital through IV needles in both arms. He was pronounced dead at 10:12 a.m.

Schad, who was raised in the Syracuse area, was sentenced to death for killing Lorimer "Leroy" Grove, whose body was found Aug. 9, 1978, in underbrush off the shoulder of U.S. 89 south of Prescott. A sash-like cord used to strangle Grove was still knotted around his neck.

Schad was arrested several weeks later in Utah while driving Grove's Cadillac. Authorities say he had driven the car across the country, used Grove's credit cards and forged a check from Grove's bank account.

At the time, Schad was on parole for second-degree murder in the 1968 strangulation death of a male sex partner in Utah. His lawyers in that case said the death was an accident.

Schad was convicted in Grove's death in 1979 and again in 1985 after the previous conviction was thrown out. The conviction was upheld by the state Supreme Court in 1989 but later became tied up in a series of federal court appeals.

The U.S. Supreme Court in June lifted a stay put in place by an appeals court, ordering the court to issue the execution authorization.

Schad always maintained he didn't kill Grove but told the state's clemency board at a hearing last week that he has accepted his fate.

A top Yavapai County prosecutor told the Arizona Board of Executive Clemency that despite Schad's denial, he was twice convicted by juries that rejected his assertion of innocence.

"He doesn't take any responsibility for what he did," chief deputy Dennis McGrane told the board. "Accidents two times, died of strangulation? I don't think so."

The board refused to recommend to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer that Schad's sentenced be commuted to life in prison.

Schad's execution was Arizona's 35th since 1992. His death leaves 121 people on the death row in the state, including two women.

In his final hours, Schad thanked his lawyers and corrections officers who watched over him during the 35 days since his execution was scheduled, said Kelley Henry, a federal public defender who helped represent him.

"Ed Schad was a model inmate to the end," Henry said in a statement released by the defender's office in Phoenix.

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He always maintained his innocence and told the Arizona Board of Executive Clemency last week that he was a thief and a forger but not a murderer.

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Last night, Schad had a last meal of a 12-inch meatball submarine sandwich, a large order of french fries with catsup, two ears of corn on the cob, two ounces of cranberry sauce, a slice of apple pie and a 20-ounce vanilla milkshake.

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Schad maintains he should not have been on death row at all and claims Grove's murder, and an earlier murder he was convicted for, were a misunderstanding.

He was first arrested in Salt Lake City in 1968 and charged with killing a man named Clare Mortenson who was found naked with a white cloth over his face and neck and his hands tied behind his back.

Investigators found a credit-card receipt for an airline flight to Germany booked in Schad?s name, and military police arrested him there. He had Mortenson?s jacket in his duffel bag.

He was sent to prison and paroled in 1977.

Less than six months later, he murdered Lorimer Grove.

ADG

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