11 People Shot On Basketball Court

[BFT3K]

Eleven people were shot on Thursday night in a Chicago park, The Chicago Tribune reported.

The shootings reportedly occurred on a basketball court on the 51st St. side of Cornell Square Park. Emergency crews have been called to the scene.

No word yet on what prompted the shooting or the conditions of the victims.

Story here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3959062.html

[AdultKing]

United States of American's will never ever learn.

[sandman!]

who cares ?

some scumbags and a kid got shot

[just a punk]

Bud if those 11 had guns...

[Bourke]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Bud if those 11 had guns...

They all still would have been shot. And some innocent bystanders as well. How about, if the shooter didn't have a gun? Time and time again there have been these mass shootings in the US and I'll bet you there have been PLENTY of people nearby who have guns and did NOTHING. More guns is not the answer, less guns is the answer.

We had what was one of the worst mass shootings in the world and our govt immediately banned guns and started a buy back/ amnesty period. Know how many mass shootings we have had in the 17 years since? Not one. Zero. Fuckin none. How many mass shootings has the US had in 17 years? And in a place where guns are legal, how many mass shootings have been stopped by someone else who had a gun?

[PeR930]

Where do you live bourke?

[Bourke]

Australia.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Bourke

They all still would have been shot. And some innocent bystanders as well. How about, if the shooter didn't have a gun? Time and time again there have been these mass shootings in the US and I'll bet you there have been PLENTY of people nearby who have guns and did NOTHING. More guns is not the answer, less guns is the answer.

We had what was one of the worst mass shootings in the world and our govt immediately banned guns and started a buy back/ amnesty period. Know how many mass shootings we have had in the 17 years since? Not one. Zero. Fuckin none. How many mass shootings has the US had in 17 years? And in a place where guns are legal, how many mass shootings have been stopped by someone else who had a gun?

What percentage of your population in Australia is Black?

[Bourke]

in a question of more guns v less guns being better for society (ie, no more mass shootings) what the hell does that have to do with it? Also, the "Blacks" we have here are Australian Aborigines. Completely different race so any comparison is useless.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Bourke

in a question of more guns v less guns being better for society (ie, no more mass shootings) what the hell does that have to do with it? Also, the "Blacks" we have here are Australian Aborigines. Completely different race so any comparison is useless.

So the answer is you have none that will go "Gangsta Style" on your ass for no reason?

Second question is how do you propose to take guns from criminals?

[Bourke]

1. Exactly how many mass shootings have been done by "Gangstas"? I follow the news fairly closely and I see the clear majority being done by white males.

2. Same way it was done here. Money.

Sure, not all will give up their guns. We know for a fact that our bikies and mobsters have kept some of their guns. We know this because every now and then one turns up with bullet holes in him. But again, they are not the ones you need to worry about are they? Bikies dont run around shooting 30-odd innocent people in quaint little seaside tourist villages in Tasmania (look up Port Arthur Massacre). Skinny, geeky white kids with grudges do. Was it gangstas in Sandy Hook? Columbine? That recent Navy base shooting? Virginia Tech? The Aurora Cinema? Wanna look at all the worst mass shootings in the USA for the last 20 years and see how many were done by "Gangstas", or by Blacks at all?

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Bourke

1. Exactly how many mass shootings have been done by "Gangstas"? I follow the news fairly closely and I see the clear majority being done by white males.

2. Same way it was done here. Money.

Sure, not all will give up their guns. We know for a fact that our bikies and mobsters have kept some of their guns. We know this because every now and then one turns up with bullet holes in him. But again, they are not the ones you need to worry about are they? Bikies dont run around shooting 30-odd innocent people in quaint little seaside tourist villages in Tasmania (look up Port Arthur Massacre). Skinny, geeky white kids with grudges do. Was it gangstas in Sandy Hook? Columbine? That recent Navy base shooting? Virginia Tech? The Aurora Cinema? Wanna look at all the worst mass shootings in the USA for the last 20 years and see how many were done by "Gangstas", or by Blacks at all?

Does it matter if they are Mass shootings? In the end they are still dead.
For instance by Jan 8 2013 Chicago had 12 homicides most likely not committed by "white males". Did it even make the national news? But let a white male shoot 12 people and it makes the news worldwide for a week or more.

You gungrabbers are all the same, take the guns - problem solved.

And FYI The Navy base shooting was not a white male. Neither was Va Tech. And you left one out which I'm not surprised, the Fort Hood shooting which the media has done its best to bury. Again not a white male.

[Bourke]

I did not say ALL, I said MOSTLY. And you having 3 examples (ie a minority) proves the rule, rather than disproves it.

Given that we are responding to the news of a mass shooting, yes it does. However, if you want to make it all shootings lets look at a simple fact. Less guns among the general public= less gun violence. Look at your country, lots of gun access, lots of gun violence. Look at my country, very little gun access, very little gun violence. If you take away the guns, the problem of gun violence IS solved. No guns, no gun violence. There will always be other forms of crime, but how can less gun crime be a negative thing?

[L-Pink]

Guns? Yea gangsters will never find guns if they are illegal.

[Markul]

Who the fuck needs to shoot a 3 year old kid?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Bourke

I did not say ALL, I said MOSTLY. And you having 3 examples (ie a minority) proves the rule, rather than disproves it.

Given that we are responding to the news of a mass shooting, yes it does. However, if you want to make it all shootings lets look at a simple fact. Less guns among the general public= less gun violence. Look at your country, lots of gun access, lots of gun violence. Look at my country, very little gun access, very little gun violence. If you take away the guns, the problem of gun violence IS solved. No guns, no gun violence. There will always be other forms of crime, but how can less gun crime be a negative thing?

I agree with you. But there's no way you're going to get a gun nut to listen to reason.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bourke

I did not say ALL, I said MOSTLY. And you having 3 examples (ie a minority) proves the rule, rather than disproves it.

Given that we are responding to the news of a mass shooting, yes it does. However, if you want to make it all shootings lets look at a simple fact. Less guns among the general public= less gun violence. Look at your country, lots of gun access, lots of gun violence. Look at my country, very little gun access, very little gun violence. If you take away the guns, the problem of gun violence IS solved. No guns, no gun violence. There will always be other forms of crime, but how can less gun crime be a negative thing?

BTW more population, more guns than ever and gun violence is down AND mass shooting actually remain the same... not gone up or down...

[potter]

Originally Posted by Bourke

I did not say ALL, I said MOSTLY. And you having 3 examples (ie a minority) proves the rule, rather than disproves it.

Given that we are responding to the news of a mass shooting, yes it does. However, if you want to make it all shootings lets look at a simple fact. Less guns among the general public= less gun violence. Look at your country, lots of gun access, lots of gun violence. Look at my country, very little gun access, very little gun violence. If you take away the guns, the problem of gun violence IS solved. No guns, no gun violence. There will always be other forms of crime, but how can less gun crime be a negative thing?

While you are correct, you're point is irrelevant however. The cat's already out of the bag. It's easy to say if there weren't any guns there wouldn't be any gun violence - but there are already guns. Not only is your point irrelevant but doesn't help or solve the problem at all.

Could you imagine someone having the same argument in any other situation? Some kid somewhere is stung by a bee, and he's deathly allergic to them, and sure enough dies. A bunch of people are discussing it and wishing their was something they could do about it. Someone stands up and says "If only there weren't any allergies", someone else stands up and says "YEAH! And also if there weren't any bees". Like these two people truly believe their adding to the discussion by envisioning some magic fairy land of rainbows where there aren't any allergies or bees.

[Bourke]

Are you mental? Allergies cannot be controlled and bees are a living organism. Also, how is it "some magic fairyland" when I have given you an example of a society that had a lot of guns, and now has practically none? The cat is not out of the bag, the problem is not irreversible. "Oh its too hard and I kinda like guns so... fuck it. Lets not bother and just put up with it." Way to stick your head in the sand mate. The point is entirely fucking relevant. It can be done, it has been done. Simple as that. All the pro gun arguments are utter bullshit and not one of them stands up to any kind of scrutiny.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Bourke

They all still would have been shot.

It was the irony

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Dvae

What percentage of your population in Australia is Black?

Is it a racism?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by potter

While you are correct, you're point is irrelevant however. The cat's already out of the bag. It's easy to say if there weren't any guns there wouldn't be any gun violence - but there are already guns. Not only is your point irrelevant but doesn't help or solve the problem at all.

Could you imagine someone having the same argument in any other situation? Some kid somewhere is stung by a bee, and he's deathly allergic to them, and sure enough dies. A bunch of people are discussing it and wishing their was something they could do about it. Someone stands up and says "If only there weren't any allergies", someone else stands up and says "YEAH! And also if there weren't any bees". Like these two people truly believe their adding to the discussion by envisioning some magic fairy land of rainbows where there aren't any allergies or bees.

Great post!


It's easy to say pass a bill making guns illegal. Then what? Wait while a small percentage of honest law abiding citizens turn their guns in? How do you get the rest? Door to door searches? Vehicle searches? Sidewalk searches? Guess how that's going to end especially in rural areas.

I can guarantee the gun used in the shooting wouldn't have been turned in.

The problem is in the shooter. This being south side Chicago the problem is obvious. Massive unemployment among young men, no hope for jobs, gang activity and drugs. Those problems are what need fixed, guns are just an easy target and take focus off the real issues.


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[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Dvae

What percentage of your population in Australia is Black?

All of the Aborigines are black.

Fuck, you need to be beaten severely with a clue stick.

[Bourke]

L-Pink- You BUY them. Thats what the Australian govt did. I've never seen any statistics but I imagine that the reduction in gun crime (and all the costs from that) more than paid for the money outlaid to buy the guns back.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by potter

While you are correct, you're point is irrelevant however. The cat's already out of the bag. It's easy to say if there weren't any guns there wouldn't be any gun violence - but there are already guns. Not only is your point irrelevant but doesn't help or solve the problem at all.

Could you imagine someone having the same argument in any other situation? Some kid somewhere is stung by a bee, and he's deathly allergic to them, and sure enough dies. A bunch of people are discussing it and wishing their was something they could do about it. Someone stands up and says "If only there weren't any allergies", someone else stands up and says "YEAH! And also if there weren't any bees". Like these two people truly believe their adding to the discussion by envisioning some magic fairy land of rainbows where there aren't any allergies or bees.

that's a horrible comparison... not even close to the same thing.

A better one would comparing gun deaths to your northern neighbours. Our population is a lot lower so that has to be considered of course, but even per capita its way lower. Why? We have lots of guns here too! Not handguns though, not automatic weapons though.. It's pretty hard to own/buy one of those in this country both legally and illegally. Not impossible, but hard enough to help keep the numbers down. It wasn't always that way, but we made laws to help.

I'm not saying we have things perfect here, they aren't, but making them more available in the US obviously is not working.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Bourke

L-Pink- You BUY them. Thats what the Australian govt did. I've never seen any statistics but I imagine that the reduction in gun crime (and all the costs from that) more than paid for the money outlaid to buy the guns back.

And if I don't want to sell mine?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Is it a racism?

is it?????

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Great post!


It's easy to say pass a bill making guns illegal. Then what? Wait while a small percentage of honest law abiding citizens turn their guns in? How do you get the rest? Door to door searches? Vehicle searches? Sidewalk searches? Guess how that's going to end especially in rural areas.

I can guarantee the gun used in the shooting wouldn't have been turned in.

The problem is in the shooter. This being south side Chicago the problem is obvious. Massive unemployment among young men, no hope for jobs, gang activity and drugs. Those problems are what need fixed, guns are just an easy target and take focus off the real issues.


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That's a gang/drug crime solution, not a gun control solution. Mass shootings are not an economics issue.

[Jel]

Ban basketball

btw less guns is way better, but so is no tubes. Both are done and done, and there's never any going back to when they weren't, so the only answer is to go forward. You can't stop the gun culture/upbringing in the usa any more than you can stop the free porn everywhere culture on the internet.

That isn't a moan (much), just saying

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

That's a gang/drug crime solution, not a gun control solution. Mass shootings are not an economics issue.

This was a gang related shooting. Gangs deal in illegal products. If guns were illegal they would still have them they're a criminals.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

This was a gang related shooting. Gangs deal in illegal products. If guns were illegal they would still have them they're a criminals.

Are you sure? I thought it was a gay thing:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4134025AAjBwl8

[potter]

Haha omg. I love it when I make a point, and do so by using absurd subject matter - to try to illustrate that the subject matter is irrelevant and it's the point that matters. Then people reply about the subject matter like "whaaat that is absurd", no - really.... Ya think?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Bud if those 11 had guns...

guns are big time illegal in mexico. you can buy one on every corner and 95% of all murders here are with a firearm.

And Mexico sees more murders every year than the US and Canada combined.

[FreeHugeMovies]

Another day in Chicago

[seeandsee]

somebody wanted to take down football team, not basketball

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

All of the Aborigines are black.

Fuck, you need to be beaten severely with a clue stick.

hummmmm.... when anyone disagrees with you they are scum and should be beaten? I get that right?

[Tom_PM]

Criminal is a word that is only used when a citizen in good standing gets caught committing a crime. So how do you get guns out of the hands of criminals? You get them out of the hands of citizens who don't need to have them. You regulate the fuck out of them as the 2nd amendment mentions. You make people pass tests, take drug tests, take vision tests, pay for licenses yearly and make it just shy of a constitutional burden on them in order to acquire their cure for a tiny penis. Oops I mean their protection.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by sandman!

who cares ?

some scumbags and a kid got shot

yeah they are all scum

[Rochard]

What's really sad is here these kids think they are hard core thugs and gansters... while shooting what seems to be innocent people, including a three year old kid. That's nothing more than a criminal act by a coward.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What's really sad is here these kids think they are hard core thugs and gansters... while shooting what seems to be innocent people, including a three year old kid. That's nothing more than a criminal act by a coward.

This (the mentioned above shooting case) is what I meant as a difference between Russian and US murder statistics. It's usual here when one alcoholic stabs another one in his house, but shooting on the streets, in schools on basketball courts or any other public places is not a usual thing here. So I believe it once again proves my opinion that guns must be forbidden for civilians

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Criminal is a word that is only used when a citizen in good standing gets caught committing a crime. So how do you get guns out of the hands of criminals? You get them out of the hands of citizens who don't need to have them. You regulate the fuck out of them as the 2nd amendment mentions. You make people pass tests, take drug tests, take vision tests, pay for licenses yearly and make it just shy of a constitutional burden on them in order to acquire their cure for a tiny penis. Oops I mean their protection.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Criminal is a word that is only used when a citizen in good standing gets caught committing a crime. So how do you get guns out of the hands of criminals? You get them out of the hands of citizens who don't need to have them. You regulate the fuck out of them as the 2nd amendment mentions. You make people pass tests, take drug tests, take vision tests, pay for licenses yearly and make it just shy of a constitutional burden on them in order to acquire their cure for a tiny penis. Oops I mean their protection.

some of the people that pass the test will do mass shootings. the chicago shootings are drug fueled. that guy that escaped in mexico is the source of this.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...g-murders.html

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Always happy to bring a few laughs. But seriously, the "argument" that it's too late because criminals already have guns is very lame and easily shown to be.

Not a single one of these large mass shootings has been by someone who couldn't legally acquire a gun. Lets begin with them. Instead, we see politicians being recalled purely on their wish to limit magazine sizes and extended waiting periods to gun shows. Retardulous.


Maybe this one in Chicago was by a known criminal or whatever, but none of the big story shootings. Gotta start somewhere. According to most people anyway, but not gun owners who are fearful of the unknown "what's next", and not by NRA and the politicians in their pockets.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

hummmmm.... when anyone disagrees with you they are scum and should be beaten? I get that right?

No you got it dead wrong, it's an expression used widely in this country.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cluestick

[BAKO]

Murder capital

[Sly]

Taking guns away from Chicago's South side gang bangers is like taking guns away from the Mexican cartels.

Have fun!

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Criminal is a word that is only used when a citizen in good standing gets caught committing a crime. So how do you get guns out of the hands of criminals? You get them out of the hands of citizens who don't need to have them. You regulate the fuck out of them as the 2nd amendment mentions. You make people pass tests, take drug tests, take vision tests, pay for licenses yearly and make it just shy of a constitutional burden on them in order to acquire their cure for a tiny penis. Oops I mean their protection.

Who decides "who needs to have them"? Other people with guns? How are you going to take them away? With guns?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Who decides "who needs to have them"? Other people with guns? How are you going to take them away? With guns?

No, like he just said, the people making the decision will have large penises. They have no penis envy so they can think clearly.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by pornguy

guns are big time illegal in mexico. you can buy one on every corner and 95% of all murders here are with a firearm.

And Mexico sees more murders every year than the US and Canada combined.

I know a guy that did four years for handgun possession in Mexico.

The only time I have ever seen anyone killed in Mexico he was beaten with baseball bats in the middle of the street in the middle of the day. No guns necessary.

[baddog]

Chicago's gun laws are so effective