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Obamacare is projected to cut the national deficit by over $200 billion during it's first 10 years and over $1 trillion over the next two decades. This helps offset the up-front cost of ObamaCare. Please be aware the cost estimates are changed on a regular basis and are often quoted as being between $1 and $2.6 trillion. Our cost estimate is taken directly from the front page of the official CBO report on ObamaCare's costs. ObamaCare is paid for through collected taxes, penalties, spending cuts and reformations to the health care industry. " http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare.php |
Hey good news all.. Republicans in congress are getting close to accepting their loss of killing Obamacare for the 44th time. But wait never fear they are gearing up for number 45.
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It says: "ObamaCare's cost is estimated at up to net cost of $1.1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years." And? This sounds scary but it's very misleading. Healthcare costs are going to rise no matter. If we do nothing, healthcare costs will continue to go up. The intent is to create competition, and if it works it will drive down prices. At the same time it's entirely possible that healthcare costs will go up under Obamacare, but we'll be getting a lot more for our money too. |
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The very first thing we need to do is stop giving money to other countries. We give out $80 to $90 billion dollars in aid per year. We give aid to countries like Israel, Philippines, and even Canada. We give out aid to ALL countries. Israel should be paying us for our support, the Philippines should be paying us to thank us for freeing them from Japan, and Canada should be paying us because our politics are so damn entertaining. In one stroke we just killed off a trillion dollars in debt. |
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And it's failing them. Badly. |
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Your links have nothing to do with what I posted I already knew about UPS and it's targeting the spouses, not the employee's I don't care if Warren Buffet said something or not I don't care if congress is getting a special deal, I know they are because they will get paid for the rest of their lives when they are done with as little as one term |
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Minte gives away more in charitable donations each year than you make. Minte also provides hundreds of people with jobs and healthcare. I also understand finances, which clearly many of your ilk don't. You don't continue to waste and spend more money than you make. |
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Slavery was once the law of the land and passed the Supreme Court. So was Prohibition. Hell, they made a Constitutional Amendment making alcohol illegal. No way that one was EVER gonna get changed. But it did. You never say never. If ObamaCare somehow is a Godsend, then people will see it for themselves and want it. But if it continues to be something that Congress itself doesn't want to use, the Unions don't want, costs jobs, drives up insurance premiums for the majority of people...then yes, it can and will be stopped. And if you listen to what Republicans are saying in this "defunding" argument (by the way, how come it has to be funded if it's everybody buying insurance?)...they are demanding that it be delayed for citizens the same way that Obama PERSONALLY had it delayed for big businesses. The Republicans are saying it needs to be fixed before it is implemented. The Democrats are saying it needs to be implemented before it is fixed. My own thoughts are: The Democrats KNEW this was coming for 4 years. But they still didn't fix the shit that every business in America told them was going to happen. NOW...they want to put it in play and THEN fix it? Probably not the smartest thing to do. Especially if you are one of millions of struggling people who is about to lose precious hours of pay from the place you are working because the company doesn't want to pay for ObamaCare. It's easy for us to sit here and debate it. But for tens of millions of Americans who are just barely getting by already...it's disastrous. |
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We all have seen and documented that our own medical care (hospital stays, doctors visits, prescriptions) is price gouged many times more than what people pay in other countries. The federal govt. allows it. Obama even had meetings at the beginning of his Presidency to assure them he would allow it to continue. The feds try to stop people from going into Canada and Mexico for their prescriptions. It's insane. If the price gouging were STOPPED (no more $50 paper dixie cups in the hospital or $5 for a single cotton ball, etc.) then our healthcare costs would DECREASE by 500% or more. Then nobody would NEED insurance. They could just pay for it (like I did most of my life). But that won't fit with those big insurance corp. , big pharma, and big medical corp. agendas. So our Congress will NOT let that happen. :( |
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So far the cost are lower than what has been projected. Texas for example, in Austin the med plan average rate will be $169/month B4 the subsidies are applied. Of course there is no crystal ball, but so far none of the doom and gloom that the Right has cried about is coming true. The right coined the term Obamacare expecting it to lynch him when it failed, because they were so sure it would fail. In fact the right has a lot invested in Obamacare failing. It's going to be very funny if Obamacare works and people actually want it.. I bet if that happens the righties will try to rebrand it's Freedomcare... LoL and of course that they really supported it all along. |
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Of course the Republicans and Romney really did invent it so they will come around to taking the credit eventually :) |
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The thing I don't get is recently it was let out that the government are getting more in tax revenue than any other time in history, yet we still spend more than we bring in, and we have no budget to speak of, and Obama wants to raise taxes? I love this If the sewer pipe in your house blew and filled your house with shit, all the way to the ceiling, would you raise the ceiling? |
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Last Thursday, representatives of three of the nation?s largest unions fired off a letter to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, warning that Obamacare would ?shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.? I have a couple cards, one is a teamster card, the other is afl-cio affiliated http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...are-scenarios/ Did you hear about the AFL-CIO? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...ly-disruptive/ |
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You know it was reported all over the world. But if you think that because Cruz exaggerates it in his 20 hour marathon and pisses Hoffa off, that it somehow is no longer true and "debunked" then you are dead wrong. The Unions are raising hell over it and trying to get the same delay that Obama gave big business. Jesus...how many excuses are you going to come up with? Congress gave themselves and their staffs and all their families a big subsidy to help pay for their health care along with Obama Care. Big Business had it delayed for a year. The Unions are wanting the same thing. "Debunked". I don't think so. The only people not getting a year delay so that it can be "fixed" are...us. The citizens who have to pay for this shit. |
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You cannot argue or debate anything. You just cut and paste facts from sites you believe in like a religion. |
Vendzilla is the product of a very well funded misinformation strategy. Hannity and Rush get his blood boiling and he will never listen to reason - he drank the coolaid...it's too late for him.
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Case in point is my buddy Rick. One third of his paycheck goes directly to healthcare which he can never ever ever ever change because of pre-existing conditions. Obamacare, at the very least, will change that for him. He'll go from "barely able to to get by" to being able to afford a day off for first time since his wife got sick. You can't compare a medical bill to a crime against humanity or how silly Prohibition. This passed the Supreme Court, it's passed multiple challenges, it is in fact the law, and it will go into effect. Best case for the Republicans is they keep harping on this like children, four years, eight years, or more, more lost elections, and maybe SOME of it will be struck down, and the American people will continue to get fucked because their healthcare will be in limbo for a decade with no improvement. The Republicans have lost this fight, will continue to beat this horse, and even if they win in the long they will only have mud on their face. The only proper way to proceed is to allow everything to go in place, figure out what doesn't work, and then work together on fixing it. But the Republicans can't do this, can they? Of course not - If they allow it go up it will be a lose for them, and they will be handing a victory to Obama and his fucking Obamacare. The Republicans cannot think two months in advance, which has been their problem since Obama ran for office. Hillary Clinton is going to run, the Democrats will have their panties in a bunch at the possiblity of having some kind of Democrat first family (similar to the Bushes), and Hillary will roll out their trump cards saying "We got fucked hard under the last Republican white house, things have gotten better under a democraotic president, the Republicans keep fighting a loosing battle, AND the Clinton family already has a history of great economics. The Republicans will loose, again. I'm not saying this because I am a Democrat; I hate Hillary too. I'm calling it as I see it. The Republican party needs to be looking towards the next election, not fighting a battle they've already lost multiple times. |
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He also sees nothing wrong with jerking off in public https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1119296 |
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For most young people out there who are trying to earn a living and just barely getting by in this shitty economy...being forced to have yet another bill that they can't pay is not gonna be a good thing. What was needed was actual cost of healthcare reform. Not forcing people to buy insurance. That's why I say this is a huge boon for insurance companies. 99% of people do NOT have catastrophic accidents or illnesses when they are young adults. And those are the people who the insurance industries are now gonna finally get a piece of. We no longer have any choice in the matter. When I was 18 up until I was in my mid 30's I played in professional bands. We traveled constantly. The band averaged about 3 grand a week. We paid our production crew $1500 a week no matter what (P.A., light show, sound man, light guy, stage tech + equipment truck). Then we had to pay for the gas for the truck and band van. Then we had to get the hotel room in each town we played in (2 rooms sleeping 4 to a room). The booking agent made 15% off of the top. If it weren't for picking up girls at the club to feed us the next day we would have starved. No fucking way that I, or any of the thousands of other musicians playing the club circuit could have bought (or needed) health insurance. Fortunately for all of us...the govt. hadn't gotten too involved in health care yet (HMO's had just started so the prices rising were just beginning). So when we got sick, we went to the doctor. It was around $30 to $50 to see a doctor (nothing serious, just flu and so forth). And THAT hurt when you were basically making nothing. Can't imagine what a young couple will do now. Say you and your girlfriend are 27 years old. You both make just enough that when you put it all together all the bills get paid. But NOW you have to buy insurance on top of that. Yeah, a tiny percentage of people that age group need medical attention. But 99.99% of them never do at that age. And they never had to buy insurance before. Who knows? Maybe this will all work out great somehow. I hope it does. It just doesn't seem to me that the real problem (medical price gouging) is being addressed...and in fact was made SURE that it continues. :( |
Robbie you just hit on a very important point.
My wife and I are 37 and 38 with two kids under 18. We make really close to 50k a year right now because I just lost my good paying job a couple months ago. So where we stand now we barely squeeze by with paying all of our bills. And still have the ability to go out for a causual dinner here and there. Now we have a $355 bill coming our way that we have to figure out how to pay. We don't actually waste that much money a month so it's not really a matter of cutting back. It's a matter of figuring out whether or not to sell our house or what.... We don't really know what we're going to do yet. The way I see it is you either pay the money monthly and get insurance or pay it when you do your taxes and you don't get insurance. Either way you're going to pay. I don't know what the answer is. But My situation is the same as most of the people I know that don't have insurance currently. They have no idea how they're going to suddenly add that kind of bill into their budget. |
I have Rochard on ignore because the IRS, the NSA admitted to doing things illegally and Rochard doesn't believe they did anything wrong.
I find proof from senate hearings that they came to the conclusion that tear gas was responsible for many of the deaths of the children of waco, But Rochard says other wise. I just don't have time for idiots |
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One third. That's staggering. It's looking like he'll be able to reduce his healthcare by two thirds now. Me too. That obmacare caculator tells me that my monthly healthcare bill will go from $1200 to $400 a month. Sweet. I am not seeing a downside yet. |
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The NSA hasn't broken any laws either. After all of the excitement generated by Snowden. it turns out nothing was done illegally. The NSA has made a few mistakes, but went so far as to report itself to the courts that supervise them to ensure everything was properly recorded and to ensure they operate above the board. And then we have my new favorite, the Waco crapo. The summary you pointed out seems to have been written by one Congreessman, but the report itself states in plain English that the people who died were stabbed, shot, or died from the multiple fires intentionally set and had nothing to do with the tear gas. It was a thirty page Congressional report you pointed out which disproved everything you claimed. You cannot debate, plain and simple. You cherry pick everything to back up your point of view. You like what the summary said, but you didn't read any of the thirty page report. |
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