http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?p...#axzz2fIbxHE1E
The platform of the 1956 republican party. They would all be rhinos now lol

Yep thats why if Obama is a socialist he is a damn shitty one. lol

Who cares what they did in 1956? Their voting base was completely different. Just like the Democrat voting base WAS the South during those years and even into the 1960's.

Bottom line: They were all a bunch of crooked lifetime politicians in 1956 and in 2013...they still are.

Also...keep in mind that neither party follows the Party Platform. It's just there to make dissidents in both parties feel included.

Oh I agree ,they are all crooks bought and paid for. But the system evolved into this,that to run for office you got to be a whore. The last presidential election cost 2.38 billion dollars. You got to suck someones ass hard to get that type of money.

its funny when I agree with Robbie,I get nothing back. lol

Perhaps he'll give you a reach around at the Vegas show in Jan.?

:winkwink:

I don't think either party is following any platform

Just some thoughts
Last weekend I went to the Reagan Library. He was a liberal Republican. When he got reelected, only one state didn't vote for him.
They had the Lincoln Exhibit, the first Republican. A lot of what he did would be considered liberal.

You get my love old friend...you get my love...

....is that like Vendzilla porn?

Vendzilla + Reagan + politics in a dark corner of the library... oh la la....

:winkwink:

All that changed forever with Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

There is a reason you stop a kid from running with scissors.....

The only thing Republicans in congress are good at, is getting nothing done. I think they just hate America..

I wish we could find some vacant land in the middle east and let them form their own country.

They would fit right in with all the other backwards nations there. They could have all the wars they wanted and be bff's with Israel.

I'm watching MSNBC this morning. The "Jansing & Co" show.

The liberal pundits are going CRAZY over this. lol

They sound panicked and frantic as they all come on one after another screaming "Tea Party" and showing John Boehner flip-flopping.

They are all making the grave statement that this is going to destroy the Republican party, etc., etc.

The tone of their voices and the frantic carrying on that they are doing leads to me believe that the Republicans might be doing the right thing.
A sure fire way to know if you are doing the right thing is if you're opposition is going ballistic about you doing it.

If this is really so bad for the Republicans then you would think the Dems would be kicked back gloating...instead of practically begging them NOT to do it. lol

These pundits on MSNBC wouldn't last long in a game of Poker. heh-heh

Here's the way I see it:
Every member of Congress is supposed to be there to REPRESENT their constituents.
Right now, ObamaCare is an unpopular program. And every Republican sitting in The House was elected on a promise to repeal ObamaCare.

The Congress has one MAJOR job assigned to it in our govt.
And that is to control the purse strings.

It is the thing that they are Constitutionally mandated to do.

A real leader would have reached out to Congress from the beginning and made it happen.
Just like Reagan did with the Dems in Congress.
Just like Clinton did with the Repubs in Congress.

Face it...Obama has been arrogant and aloof. From the very beginning he has shoved stuff down the Republicans throat. Even ObamaCare was passed in the Senate on a procedural trick (there were actually 51 votes AGAINST it in the Senate when Scott Brown took the vacated seat of Ted Kennedy.

And then of course the smug Nancy Pelosi telling Congress that they had to vote for it before they could read it. lol

Obama has himself to blame.
And the fact that he has already delayed it for Big Business AND The Unions are demanding to be exempt from it AND Congress gave itself a big subsidy for themselves, their families, and everyone on their staff...should tell ALL of you everything you need to know about ObamaCare.

It's a trainwreck.

Business people say so. The Unions say so. And Congress even says so for their own personal health insurance.

The only people who are gonna get straddled with this are all of us citizens NOT in the "Ruling Class" (politicians, lobbyists, big business, and unions)

Obamacare by the Numbers.

FactCheck

I'm sure the same could be said about.... FDR's New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, Bush's Medicare Part B, FMLA, regulating banks and credit cards, or any other government program or agency when it was first formed. In the end, while not perfect, it worked out.

:2 cents:

I think universal healthcare is a great thing, but I don't think "Obamacare" is the right plan for the country.

Maybe so, but consider that until now, no US president ever had a plan that passed.
There is no previous plan to compare it to.

The plan is never the original because of the bill being tailored by the opposition by adding "pork" to the bill that's
only removed when the other side changes what they wanted.

So don't forget about that fact : We don't have Obama's original plan, we have a plan with lots of concessions to get GOP approval in congress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTuW-a_qFlA

Your kids will look back at a once great country and think "why did you let that happen"
:Oh crap
look how its going in the countries that your importing people from and look how it goes in the socialist countries that your trying to imitate. is that were you want to go ?

blackmonsters...to use McConnell saying that he wants the Republicans back in power in 4 years to justify a lack of leadership by Obama is disingenuous.

EVERY politician wants the opposition party Pres. OUT in 4 years. That's the way the game is played.

But some real leaders like Reagan and Clinton were able to reach out and make things happen.
My God...I remember the relentless slagging of Reagan during his term by liberals. He was fucking hated.

And in more recent times...I'm sure that most of us can remember what the Republicans did to Clinton. They actually IMPEACHED him, had him disbarred, etc.

And yet, both men were able to reach out and work with the opposition party and get things done.

With Obama...even his own Democrat Congressmen and Senators say he is aloof and they can't get an audience to talk with him. He seems to ALWAYS be on the campaign trail. Out doing town hall meetings and trying to get on television instead of working with Congress.

He can make excuses all he wants.

But the old saying goes: "Excuses are for losers. Winners don't need them"

i am not a specialist for american politics - but i think back then, the party leaders had the authority they needed to make decisions

now you have Boehner that has no control over the 40 crazy tea party people that refuse any form of compromise

MaDalton...there have always been extremists in BOTH parties.

The Tea Party politicians RAN on doing what they are doing.
They promised the voters that this is what they would do.

You can say that it's the Tea Party guys who won't "compromise"...but you can easily flip that and say it's the Dems who won't compromise.

Would you think it's right if the Tea Party guys just turned around and went against everything that the voters sent them to Washington to do?
They are supposed to represent their constituencies.

Unlike Obama...they are actually doing exactly what they promised with no b.s.

Hard to find fault with that.
If every politician in Washington did the same thing (as far as truthfully representing the people who voted them in), we'd have a much better situation.

i dont know - i read this today:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...-a-923160.html

maybe google translate makes it readable for you...

government shutting down is bad for everyone

republicans are nuts to think they will come out ahead on this

So those 2 years when the Democrats had control of the house, senate and president, they got a lot done? They barely got Obamacare done, they are like herding cats.
Unemployment was terrible, still is, and they spent all that power passing Obamacare, something that the Unions that backed it even want to change!
I think they hate the working American people!

It really is the wackiest non-governance I've ever seen - all these Repuglicans grandstanding to collect donations for a fake fight that doest even exist - there is no scenario in which they can win..but their all white and all dumb supporters are so duped by race fueled hate that they join in this grand battle against Obamacare that just simply doesn't exist. It's a war of pure fiction they will grind the Government to a halt to lose.

The only people who say this are embarrassed Republicans

Again, I'd like to show the flip side of the coin...grinding the Govt. to a halt might be the best thing to happen.

I looked at this today by the way.

There hasn't been a budget in years now. The President is supposed to submit a budget in a timely manner...Congress is supposed to tweak it, negotiations take place and then FINALLY a budget happens.

But that has not happened at all. Obama has missed the deadline for even SUBMITTING the budget 4 out of 5 years.

So the whole govt. is running on a "CR": Continuing Resolution

Apparently the Republican gambit in this is to submit a CR that funds EVERYTHING except ObamaCare.

So if the Pres. wants to have Harry Reid and the Senate approve that CR he, and he alone...will be responsible for keeping the govt. running.

It takes 2 to tango. And the President has been very, very detached from working with Congress.
Somebody is going to pay the piper.

If all of you who believe Obama Care is really, really good for the country truly believe in your ideals..then this is a GREAT thing!
The Republicans will screw themselves and be voted out of office for it.

So what's up with all the screaming about it from Democrat pundits? They should be happy!
UNLESS...they are seeing the poll numbers which say the majority of the American People don't want it.

Nothing scares politicians more than losing elections.

Then they lose their power and money. (and their exemption from ObamaCare too lol)

I guess we will see what happens.
But right now the Republicans are pretty confident and are giving the impression that they are following the mandate of their constituents.

But y'all know how politics goes. A week from now that could be reversed...or not.

A lot of Dems are real nervous right now with elections around the corner for them...especially after those Dems got booted out of office in a recall election in Colorado after they voted for more gun control.

In the end...if you piss off the voters TOO much, they will finally take notice and then it's your ass.

So we'll see if it's Republican ass or Democrat ass that's on the line here...but at the moment it seems to be Democrats pitching a hissy fit and screaming about the "crazy" Tea Party.

Time will tell.

Maybe some of you should read this. When you see dumb asses in a mob holding signs to destroy Obamacare, I wonder if even half of them know a damn thing about it. They're just taking up the fight against president Blackenstein.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/

I find it amusing that you referred to Presidents Reagan and Clinton as real leaders. I also find it amusing that you seem to think it was a good thing that they were able to "make things happen". They sure did...all kinds of bad things. Below are just a few of the thinks they made happen.

They are the primary reason for the situation that the country finds itself in now. President Reagan is responsible for the huge National Debt we have as he was the first to begin borrowing money from foreign countries (which every President since has done in ever growing amounts) and raising the national debt from less than 1 Trillion dollars to more than 4 Trillion dollars. He also was a big time meddler in the Mid East.
I could go on but I won't.

Bill Clinton was responsible for NAFTA...which is responsible for a major loss of American jobs leaving the country. He is also responsible for not capturing/killing Osama Bin Laden when he could have done on multiple occasions. I could go on but I won't.

Every prez has a list of good and bad, some more bad than others. Even Bush II did some good things that would the current Republican party would hang him for.

Please stop lol The affordable care act was the dole plan to counter clinton care cared by the heritage foundation .Hailed by Newt at the time as its about personal responsibility.
Thats why they went that way and not single payer.
http://politicalirony.com/wp-content...-gridlock1.jpg
Most filibusters ever.
The stimulus was 40 percent tax cuts to make the gop happy and they still didnt vote for it.
Things they are for, obama says thats good idea then they are against it. Also compromises isnt do it our way only.
The problem democrats have with him, is he isnt a liberal. Thats why he doesnt get along with a good chunk of dems in congress and senate. He is gop lite, if you look past his skin and look at his actions not the bullshit words. He is not for the people. Thats why wealth has grown under obama affirming if he is a socialist he is the worst socialist ever.
GOP runs on having the black dude in the whitehouse,that they will stop him. So they paint themselves in the corner to work with him. He is closer to them in ideology than the liberals.
Boy for a guy that says they are all this and they are all that. You lick GOP ass pretty hard. lol
Bruce Bartlett Reagan and Bush the firsts senior policy advisor calls them wackos,so does David Frum who worked for W. They got a problem. These arent big liberals

Well said lol

We may debate here but you know I love you and respect you my brother :)

There is no defending this congress. Their approval rating on their job performance ROSE to 20% after the Syria shit. 20% and people want to say they actually represent the people. Good luck.

The right doesnt need facts.. They have that gut feeling...

It takes two sides to work together. When obe side publicly states their entire goal is to stop Obama from getting anything done, yet somehow you expect Obama to shit rainbows and if he can't everything is his fault.

Obama isnt the black jesus, he can only do so much, when the other side is not willing to work for the good of the country.

When will you ever lay any blame to the Republican congress? Its always Obamas fault with you.

How much further does Obama have to reach to make yu happy? Obamacare is nothing like he orginally wanted. Hes changed a lot to get Republicans to agree to pass it. They agreed and now they are on attempt 44 trying to stop what they agreeded to.

:thumbsup

The greatest trick the devil pulled is making the US think that there is any difference between Democrats and Republicans = duopoly

Where's the Pirate Party in the US?

20%? Try 15%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163964/co...ical-lows.aspx

And it's not just our current Congress. It's everything since 2001 - They've been on a steady decline.

The problem is Congress no longer represents the people, but instead ONLY represents their party. The goal is not to do the right thing or to serve the people, the only goal is to beat the other side.