Very well could have been drug or alcohol related, when I used to drink hardcore years ago i had problems like that, and assuming the meth accusations are true then it seems it could be related to something along those lines and not necessarily HIV.

Can HIV be "acute"?

It's the virus that becomes AIDS. I would say it's "acute" when it becomes full blown AIDS right?

Anything else is just a virus. And once a person finds out they have it and take the pill each day for it...their viral load goes to zero and there is not even a trace of it (they will test 100% clean and are not infectious at that point).

I was thinking about it today...it's one pill a day. And you live a normal healthy life.

Much better than say a diabetic for instance. They have to take an injection of insulin every day or they go into a coma and DIE...not months or years down the road like a person who didn't take their HIV meds and develops AIDS later on...the diabetic DIES right away.

Lots of really horrible ailments like that. For instance...a much worse fate is to have failed kidneys. Then you have to go in every day and spend hours hooked up to a dialysis machine. That makes you feel okay for a few hours and then by the next day you are feeling like holy hell until you get to the clinic and get back on the dialysis machine again. And if you don't do that...you DIE. Not months or years later...but right away.

Tons more diseases (that are far more common than HIV) that are harder to treat. Don't even mention the big one: Cancer. I'd rather have HIV any day of the week than cancer.

But only HIV and AIDS carry this kind of fear, panic, and social stigma.

While a fever can indeed be an indication of HIV exposure, I'm pretty sure it just as likely could have been many other things (I'm not going to speculate).

As I understand it, the timeframe when the HIV+ infection count skyrockets in a newly infected person is a few weeks after exposure. Cameron tested HIV negative on July 26th, after her hospital stay over her kidney related problem, and days before her Kink shoot.

Cameron tested positive on Aug 19th, which would have put her infection date as sometime around when the Kink shoot took place on July 31st.

At the Kink shoot, Cameron apparently had an injury and other problems on set requiring hospitalization, which the FSC has not addressed publicly yet that I am aware of (too busy trying to claim that HIV was definitely not contracted on set, which has not been proven or disproven).

I thought the FSC said they were concerned with performer health and safety - I guess not, unless it affects the FSC's liability, and especially not when the injuries occurred on set at an FSC Board Member's location; Kink):

Who was the Director in charge? :mad:

Business as usual FSC? :disgust

I'm guessing that Cameron's kidney ailment probably left her with a weakened immune system, and it sounds like her body was heavily traumatized at the Kink Public Disgrace shoot (including the use of a cattle prod) - Kink did more than disgrace Cameron Bay, they assaulted her, and Peter and company disgraced themselves, and the entire adult industry in the process.

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Who wants to bet that Peter votes to return to business as usual, as soon as possible? Of course, without an industry led health and safety review of Kink's on an off set practices, including firing live ammunition at their studio location, as well as charges of cocaine possession filed against the CEO of Kink (discovered when Police were called to Kink to follow up on the weapons allegations). Peter has lawyers bills to pay - fire up the fucking machines!

Kink and FSC are lucky that there is not an adult performers Union (yet), because it is likely that they would demand a safety report and follow-up regarding such serious and preventable on-set injuries (there was a performer burned on a Mofos/Manwin set also not too long ago, that was poorly handled, and probably should have been independently inspected as well).

Oh well, bring another slave for Kink to beat...afterall, the message that Kink and the FSC are sending is that performers exist to be used and beaten, tortured, disgraced and humiliated, and they are ultimately expendable - that is their sad unfortunate message. :disgust

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Bump for more education. :)

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Rod seemed to be quite conscientious about condoms and testing, making this whole situation an even bigger shame. :(

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have they figured out where he caught it yet?

hiv is much more preventable than cancer, you aren't genetically predispositioned to hiv..you are always downplaying every negative thing that happens in the industry. do you realize this or is it a subconscious thing?

I don't know...maybe it's a subconscious thing like you said.

Oh, and HIV may be more preventable. But it's also less common.

Since 1981 there have been 1.7 million HIV cases in the U.S.
Since 1990 there have been 11 million new cases of cancer.

And of course cancer is very preventable. From the shit we put in our mouth everyday...to our entire lifestyle.

And don't even get started on heart disease...that one is the NUMBER ONE killer. And it's almost entirely preventable...just by exercising and changing what you eat.

Yeah, maybe it's subconscious like you said. I really don't know.

But I DO know that facts are facts. And I DO know that HIV has a social stigma greater than any disease since leprosy.

And I DO know that back when it was an actual death sentence in the 1980's...the biggest star this business ever had: John Holmes, came down with AIDS and died from it.
There was some speculation and fear that it would wipe out the porn industry.

It didn't. And there was less carrying on about it THEN (when AIDS was an epidemic running unchecked AND there was NO Testing) with the biggest adult star in the world than there is with what is happening now.

I tend to think that some people have an agenda to hurt the entire industry.
Yes, this is bad. But we now do testing and it was caught and stopped from further spreading. End of story.

This isn't slavery. We can't force people to not have a sex life outside of shooting fucking porn. And we also can't force people to ENTER porn.

It's free will.

And if anybody claims "I didn't know that having unprotected sex could give me an STD...I thought everyone was tested"...well, then they are not victims...they are fucking stupid.

It isn't like this shit isn't everywhere on billboards, t.v., radio, print warning about HIV since 1981.

Fucking in porn scenes is fun and exciting. This girl and her boyfriend took it to the extremes in their personal life by having group sex with gay guys whom one of which was obviously infected.

That sucks, and in a perfect world (pre-1981), they should have been able to have fun and go on with their lives.

It's not that way anymore. And it's not the fault of the porn "industry" no matter how many people wish it to be so.

if it's in the thread, I must have missed it :2 cents:

Rod is the likely source..Ive documented Rod and Bay/Adams escorting together/dating for last 2 years...Delgado was a toy of both for the most post...Not enough posts to add my story link. but its still trending on my site if you wanna read them..

You and Mike Whiteacre have been way on point with the right info.


Spoke to him on the phone. very impressed!

You guys go that extra mile to be accurate with what you write.


That I can absolutely stand by.


Keep up the good work.:thumbsup


Just Dave

Just had this sent to me

The moratorium on filming will be lifted Friday, September 20th. All performers must test on or after Thursday, September 19th in order to be cleared to work. Additionally, all performers will now be required to test every 14 days in order to be cleared for work.

Our industry protocols are designed to be conservative and our doctors support a conservative approach, for the health and well-being of the performers. That is why moving forward, the physicians have recommended and we have implemented, a 14-day testing protocol.

Subsequent tests of scene partners established that the virus did not originate and was not transmitted on set, and PASS doctors worked closely with the performers to identify 1st generation exposures. No additional incidences of HIV have surfaced.

September 19th marks 14 days since Patient #3 tested positive for HIV. The window period for the HIV RNA Aptima test is seven to ten days, but industry protocols dictate that retests occur 14 days or later as an added precaution.

In addition to the change to a 14-day testing period, FSC?s PASS program plans to work with doctors, workplace safety specialists and performers to support a performer education program.

We can do more to help our performers learn how to protect themselves, on screen and off. While the increased testing will further ensure safer sets, it is important that we remain vigilant. Going forward, we need to constantly look to both performers, producers and health care professionals to find ways to improve our protocols.

Feel free to contact us if you have any questions or would like additional information.

Sincerely,

Diane Duke, CEO
Free Speech Coalition

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Whomever sent you this was 'spot-on'
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More facts, not speculation about the current HIV situation

Everyone performer #3 worked with has tested negative, and it has been over a month since she worked with anyone in the adult industry. If any of them had HIV it would have shown up now.

Yes, there are only 3 performers who tested positive. Cameron Bay, her boyfriend Rod Daily, and this performer who is their close friend.

None of three performers who tested positive every worked with each other on camera. Everyone that any of them worked with on camera tested negative.
Since no one they worked on camera tested positive one can deduce that all three contracted it off camera.

Performer # 3 has chosen, as her is right, to no longer help FSC with their investigation, so no one will ever know if her strain of HIV is the same strain as that of Cameron and Rod.

All adult industry performers will be asked to go get new tests next week, as long as there are no new positive tests production will resume late next week.

keep posting, then share the info when you can :2 cents::thumbsup

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It appears that the worm has turned: :warning :helpme

I suspected this might happen... :Oh crap

What says the mighty FSC now?!?

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So there's a fifth now?

I wonder if she had worked at a Starbucks or a grocery store, etc. if their "industry" would be blamed?

She caught HIV off set through having fun with her bisexual boyfriend. She could have been a secretary at an office and this was still going to happen.

In other words...the infection happened and did not care that she shot porn on the side, or if she had been a construction worker.

The AHF sure knows how to twist words to make things appear in a manner that is supposed to crucify pornography.

And it appears that many of our own people will parrot those twisted statements and not challenge them in any way, shape, or form.

The industry shit on them, so now they are shitting back on the industry. What else did you guys think would happen?

What's mean HIV? Is place for bee to make honey no?

Please explain for Achmeds.

Yup,

I hate to say it, but if I got hammered, the way they did and I got HIV, I would say what ever it is I have to say to get my 2K per month med bills paid.


I cant really blame them for it. But I wish they would also say: "When I was doing Gay escorting and Escort BJs with no condom, I wish I would have used a one."


Im not really about "half truths". Tell the whole truth to educate, not half truths to scare for a particular agenda. Thats all I'm saying..



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all I can figure is these guys aren't making money or not in the biz at all, or maybe they're just stupid? seriously why else would anyone attack their source of income??? at least MS has come clean with his true relationships and agendas :2 cents:

is getting hammered a reference to an 'anal sex pounding'????? just askin' you know??? :eyecrazy

I was invited to the AHF Teleconference this morning, so I called in and listened. Present were Derrick Burts, Cameron Bay, Rod Daily and the fourth performer, Patrick Stone and Darren James, the only AHF employee of the performers

Everything here is from that press conference instead of waiting to write it up I chose to report it real time…forgive typos and such just trying to keep you guys up to date…itll be hours before you read this elsewhere and you can bet itll be sanitized..this is the raw reporting.

Michael Weinstein pointed out

The moratorium is being lifted too soon but wouldn’t be necessary if we were using condoms.

Demonizing AHF will not succeed as a strategy

No industry has been successful at self regulation

Cameron Bay: The industry is uneducated about HIV, not taking sides just telling her story.

Rod Daily: Always condom scenes mostly gay maybe a few straight, he didn’t test at CET or TTS because he didn’t want his results leaked. He has shot with positive people but always used condoms. The point he is making here is that condoms do work, that he never got HIV until he did something non condom. he didnt say if it was on set or private but he did emphasize that condoms worked. A week after testing positive people are shooting non condom…the industrys only concern is money not health of performers. Two week testing is all about the money for FSC. HIV is manageable like diabetes. AHF has gotten Cameron and Rod their meds.

Patrick Stone is fifth works for Kink FSC knew he was positive, he was never contacted by Kink or APHSS after testing positive. He is still scheduled to shoot tomorrow for Kink outside the moratorium even though he is HIV positive. Though it may be a false positive…it isnt confirmed yet

Derrick Burts: got no follow up care from the industry so he went to AHF for help. moratoriums are a joke

Darren James: nothing has changed since he tested positive, the industry has failed and will continue to fail. Lets stop this

John Doe: performer #4, 2 weeks after a neg test he tested positive, is confirmed, been in the biz two years. workers comp claim filed and denied for insufficient evidence. Wont say which studio until workers comp claim is investigated

Michael Weinstein: Standard operating procedures in porn are a gross violation of the law,. You have to stop taking medical advice from pornographers. Performers are NOT with producers.

Dr Darcy (TTS) tried to help Cameron, he put her in touch with her local county officials Dr Miao did NOT, she found out from John Stagliano what her viral load was. She has filed a Workers Comp claim on kink. At this point her story gets pretty gut wrenching, A performer on her kink shoot cut the tip of his penis and bled and continued to work non condom. She was “touched inappropriately” on kink shoot. She didnt know how unsafe it was until she saw the pictures, it all happened too fast. It seems that she thinks she was infected on that shoot but she did not come out and say that, she did say that her breast was severely damaged on that shoot.

Some industry people have been very supportive per Cameron and RodAHF has been most supportive by far.

Law in CA is that any pre employment testing must be paid by employer

This does not look good for Kink every one of these performers in the recent outbreak have direct ties to Kink.com

So Mike you don't question any of that? You just print what they say and kind of insinuate that you agree with it?

As I asked earlier...Since Cameron Bay NOW says that the "industry" isn't educated...what the fuck was she doing in her personal life? SHE was un-educated (and apparently has been living under a rock her whole life if she wasn't aware of HIV), and now SHE is telling the "industry" that it is uneducated?

Why not question that?

As I said earlier...her boyfriend is the one who passed it on to her. She knew what was going on with him...and joined him in having some fun threesomes.
Also "porn" was not her main income or even a real "job" for her. It was something she did for extra bucks and to increase her viability as an escort (which is smart businesswise).

So with that in mind...she could have been working at the mall, or as a checkout girl at the grocery store and this STILL WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO HER.

I'm not saying the girl is "bad" or did anything wrong. She is just like millions of other people who want to enjoy life.
But having said that...turning around and blaming the porn industry is fucking ridiculous.

And if you extrapolate it further...she would have not even known she had HIV if not for the testing that was done to shoot a porn scene.
Do you know how many "civilians" go get tested for HIV? Almost nobody.

And she wouldn't have tested, wouldn't have known, and may have found out too late after it turned to AIDS. Then there would be no hope.

Why aren't you bringing this stuff up at all?

The mainstream media is looking at you as a voice for our industry. You need to take a fair assessment of what is being said, who is saying it, and what their motives are.

And I'd keep in mind that the AHF is definitely reaching out to these people. Not because they give a fuck...but because they are USING them to further their agenda.

Please report that Mike. You have a big voice right now. The industry does not have any voice at all. We're nothing but a bunch of people competing against each other.

Rod and Cameron don't need any "support" by the way. ObamaCare mandates that they MUST have insurance (or the govt. pays for it) and that insurance companies MUST cover HIV.

I'd investigate how much money is being offered to these people. It won't be the first time that ex-porn performers found it lucrative to turn on the industry, and it won't be the last.

You're the man. So stand up and cover this thing and not just parrot what the fucking AHF (who wants the END of the porn industry) says.

i question a lot of it but as the post said this is the raw reporting my opinions arent a part of it it was more important to me to get it out real time than to editorialize it hours after the fact yal;l are smart draw yer own conclusions

When i saw the Xbiz report I couldnt help thinking...were we even in the same fucking press conference?

But that's no different than the news organizations taking a press release from the White House and reporting it as gospel.

Come on man...there ain't nobody here smart enough to draw their own conclusions. Most of the people on GFY have never even been on a porn set or know about the lifestyles of the people involved in porn.

You have. And you, and most people who have been in the sex/adult industry for as long as you have....know that the AHF story is bullshit.

You've made your rep as being a no-nonsense kind of guy willing to stand up to bullshit.

I hope you take it to heart and do some sniffing around and present some balancing here. They are only telling half of the story and only the half that is good for them.
It's a half-truth...which makes it a half-lie.

oh there will be more from me but not off the cuff Im working a lot of things

what porners need to get from this the most is to look at AHF tactics ... they are KILLING US with strong political tactics that we are too dumb to understand to do ourselves....as an industry we are in crisis we need to hire a crisis management pr firm at this point

That's why we got the industry we deserve.


But they won't look at the AHF and their tactics. They are still too busy bragging that no transmission happened on set and tooting their own horns as if there has been some sort of victory.

It's almost painful to watch.

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The FSC has failed miserably to get out in front of this from Day 1.

Ever since then they have been playing catch up and cover up, in part because of their deep financial involvement with PASS, and because one of the FSC Board members is at the center of the current HIV fiasco.

The FSC strategy (if there was one) has been poorly planned and badly executed.

I pointed out last week, that Weinstein was using just such a tactic, and sure enough...

No, it is no wonder that former performers who contract HIV end up in the arms of the AIDS Health Foundation, and it is because, love them or hate them, they actually help people, and they are doing something to try and prevent HIV/AIDS spreading (not that I agree with all of their tactics, etc).

Look at what the industry has done (not done) so far for Cameron Bay - on her HIV Fund Donation page there are only 21 donations so far, and most not from industry people. The industry essentially turned it's back on other performers as well. :disgust

All that the FSC does every time is wait out the latest outbreak, and resume with nearly the same practices which led to the last outbreak. It's a sad cycle of disease. :(

The FSC should call an industry-wide meeting to address all that has gone on, and the issues which have been raised over the past month (and years). :mad:

The entire Board of the FSC must resign, and new leadership should be chosen to start restoring credibility to the industry trade group, starting by coming up with a comprehensive industry-wide standard for protecting the health and safety of performers, and not this current, detect the infection after the fact method, which is infective against prevention. :2 cents:

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I'm almost of the opinion that the "industry" needs to do the opposite of getting a pr firm.

I think that we should all just shut up making "statements".

As I said earlier...back in the 1980's when this was a real death sentence...the biggest star in the world John Holmes contracted it.
But the "industry" was closed back then, and it took care of things itself. And despite people predicting that everyone in the industry would now be infected because of all the people John Holmes had fucked and then all of their partners, etc. : It didn't happen.

I think it may just be possible that we are all talking too damn much. Too many statements and self-professed industry "leaders".

Maybe if we just shut up about it and let the leader of AHF hold his press conferences and carry on about it, he will eventually troll himself to exhaustion.

The guy has a big agenda. But it takes two to tango. Everytime someone responds to him it makes him a little bit more "important" and gives the story "legs".

The real story here is: A couple (Cameron and Rod) contracted HIV. Their only crime? Having fun.
In addition to just plain out partying with her bisexual boyfriend and having group sex with bisexual guys (as documented by her own social media)...she made her living escorting and stripping. Doing porn movies in addition to her 15 minutes of fame on reality t.v. allowed her to get top dollar at her "real job".

In order to do porn movies, she needed to be tested.
Thank God she was and got it caught early. Now she can still live a long life and within a few months of taking the medication she will have a ZERO viral load and no trace of HIV in her system.

The testing procedures in place for shooting porn DEFINITELY helped in catching it fast.

The chances of her testing herself if she were just escorting or stripping were probably ZERO and she may have went on to progress to full-blown AIDS and then would have died.

Am I missing something there?

And is anyone blaming her boyfriend, or her, or the strip clubs she worked, or the guys she serviced as an escort?
No?
Only the porn industry huh?

And how many scenes did she shoot in her entire "career"?
And how much income does that add up to?

Someone said she started shooting about 3 years ago right?

I'd never heard of her...but let's say she shot 20 scenes at $1200 each.

So that is DEFINITELY not how she made her living over 3 years time.

But it's Porn's "fault" that she is HIV postiive?

How about it was because she went to shoot a scene... that she was able to know that she had contracted HIV because of the testing that was in place? Shooting porn and being tested is what caught the infection.

Put the pieces together...Was anybody else on the Kink shoot HIV+?
Nope.

Has anybody else that she shot with in any scene showed up as HIV+?
Nope.

So she got it from the obvious place...her boyfriend and her personal life.

End of story.

She could have been working at Burger King and the outcome would still be the same:
EXCEPT she wouldn't know she even had it.

And once you look at the facts...SHE is the one who put others in danger on the set. Not the other way around as she is now claiming along with AHF.

Am I wrong?

Where is RedRob now.....

You're not wrong, but the media doesn't care about any of that. None of what you said sells papers, gets clicks, or get views. It also doesn't fit the agenda of AHF who outsmarts and outguns the porn industry in every way. As far as what the public sees, what the media writes is what becomes the truth. That's the way it always is on any topic. Since the AHF has better media relations and is much smarter about playing the media, they win. Porn loses. But to be honest, porn never had a chance. We're our own worst enemy.

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Cameron Bay, a porn actress who contracted the HIV virus, is overcome with emotion during a news conference in Los Angeles.
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I don't think this is going to end with the FSC simply calling for an end to their toothless moratorium. :uhoh

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Hey ADG, I would like to personally thank you, and thank you on behalf of Cameron for your support and the donation you made. If anyone else cares to donate for Cameron bay, here is the link..

Donate for Cameron Bay

Excellent editorial by Mike South this morning:



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I again, would like to ask Mike...

Insurance is now required to cover HIV
Everyone is now required to have health insurance (if you don't the govt. will take care of it for you)

Why would anyone need the AHF to "help" you with your meds?
And even if there was no "ObamaCare"...every city has a LBGT that also does free medical for HIV.

I don't get all of this talk of the AHF "helping" anybody. That guy could care less about anyone's health. He has one objective and one objective only.

And having seen his protestors at an XBiz Awards show picketing a couple of years back...I can tell you there was a LOT of hate filled people with signs who wanted nothing more than the END of porn.

This guy is looking to take the food off of our tables. Plain and simple. He is using HIV as his tool.

Nobody in that whole debate is even DISCUSSING the fact that there is a new FDA approved, and being used RIGHT NOW, daily pill that prevents you from catching HIV in the first place.
Why? Because the AHF knows that condom only porn will hurt the industry. And the FSC knows that kind of pill could make their Testing P.A.S.S. lucrative company obsolete (just like the actual cure that is coming soon will...last couple of weeks have had a HUGE breakthrough)

And The AHF is not even addressing the FACT that these latest HIV cases did NOT occur because of Porn or shooting porn. And that the testing regimen in place basically saved these people's lives by alerting them to the fact that they had HIV and can now get the meds to save themselves.

I see NOTHING positive about AHF. Just another guy trying to be "important" with an agenda to destroy the livelihood of thousands of people.

I think the FSC is a joke too. But I'm not gonna let my feelings toward the FSC make me jump into bed with AHF in the court of public opinion.
The FSC is NOT the porn industry and does NOT represent me or thousands of other pornographers.

I don't even pay attention to their pronouncements.

But if you support the AHF and you are in the adult industry...you are digging your own grave.

This isn't about the clowns at FSC. It's about all of US.

Yup, We look pretty bad as an industry.


Just Dave

The entire AHF press conference:



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