Robbie say they find a fungus grows on the left nut of a frog in Montana with potential of curing some 'physical issue... ' the drug companies with take that fungus and the fungus off the right nut of the frog and few other things like the penis drip of a blue eyes deer and maybe a scum off the ass of a crossed eyes tree rat... all stuff hard to find (expensive) and run test on them... say 2 years on rats at 2mil per year on each substance... only one of the exotic new 'miracle finds' passes the test so that's maybe 1 out 10 that makes it though the finals to phase 2 (20 mil spent on one possible) on to pigs another 10 mil spent, then humans another 100 mil spent and the greedy fucks want to make their money back... what a bunch of scummy cock suckers :mad:

What's amazing is...I had no idea this even EXISTED until today when I was reading this thread and just googled up "one pill for HIV"

I had seen that one pill treatment for people already infected the other day when the last "moratorium" took place and posted about it.
It seems to me that we are all overly scared of HIV when it is now a treatable condition with one pill a day...much easier than say being a diabetic and having to prick your fingers to test your blood sugar and take insulin injections every day or your life.
Or having bad kidneys and having to hook up to a dialysis machine for several hours every day.
Hell, there are a thousand things that would be worse than having HIV and taking one pill a day to treat it.

But then...today when I googled up "one pill for HIV" I saw that article about Vireaid preventing you from getting it!

I would think that would be national news all over the place!
And I also would have THOUGHT that the FSC with all of it's resources would be investigating this as part of the solution to this problem.

I mean, hell...I found it in two clicks and 5 seconds on Google.

Maybe this post of mine will be passed on to them and they can get the ball rolling and take a closer look into this. Neither I, nor anyone else on GFY is a medical professional so I just don't know.

But I'm gonna definitely ask my doctor about it. For both me and Claudia Marie that would be about 2 grand a month. But if I could get it covered by my insurance...then I'm gonna go for it if my doctor thinks it's a good idea.

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Good to see that this is starting to get some discussion, although the industry is probably going to have to do better than saying what a great job we have been doing so far and that HIV/STDs are really not that big of a problem, or thinking we can just wait for a miracle cure. :2 cents:

Letter from a Performer (posted @ MikeSouth.com):

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ADG

Keep in mind that ALL of the pharmaceuticals we buy in the U.S. have the price jacked up 2, 3, even 4 times the true cost of them anywhere else in the world.

We have the pharmaceutical lobbys in Washington D.C. that make sure the federal govt. keeps it that way. :(
Remember? When Obama first started working on "ObamaCare" he promised to have the entire process "transparent" and aired LIVE on C-SPAN.

Instead...the very FIRST thing he did was have closed door meetings with all the major pharmaceutical companies and assure them that they could continue to overcharge for medications in the U.S.

That's when I realized that "health care" wasn't even what "ObamaCare" was about. It was supposed to be all about LOWERING the cost of HEALTH CARE.
Instead it gave reassurances to all parties involved that the cost would RISE and that everyone would be forced to get insurance. :(

the more time off the more escorting and other risky behavior happens..

Its because avg citizens dont make big contributions. As long as it cost a billion to become president and over 5 mil to become a congressman from some nowhere district its not going to change.

Robbie shoot me a text please ill send u one Im coming to Vegas soon

Most big name escort girls have a group of regular clients they meet with. And you can't just tell your clients that they have to fuck you and pay you more times because you aren't shooting a porn scene (that doesn't pay shit anyway comparatively)

These girls are not street hookers waving cars down. They are escorts. Whole different ball game.
They are servicing doctors, lawyers, athletes, etc.
And most escorts (and their clients) demand condoms.

Not all of the girls have a high priced clientele of course. And some of them don't approach it like a business and instead are partying and playing with fire (like Cameron Bay and her gay boyfriend did)

Anyway...what I'm trying to say is that the amount of escorting is unhindered by whether or not porn scenes are being shot.

If a girl goes in the morning and spends five hours shooting a scene for a grand...why would she turn down a call from one of her clients to make another thousand that evening for only one hour of her time...and maybe 5 minutes of that would be sex.

When you start talking to the girls you quickly find out that the majority of the time they spend with clients is spent talking. It's like a lonely hearts club. lol

Okay. :)

first mistake: BELIVING ANTHING OBAMA SAYS :1orglaugh one thing in defense of pill companies the lower amount of surgeries need in here in the US due to quality well research meds.. and yes we do pay out the ass. in the long run we are better off though

potential side affects and allergies? nothing is free

I dunno. I'm gonna have my doctor look into it and give me advice about it.

If it all looks good...that would sure be a worry off of my mind. I've been scared shitless of AIDS since the early 1980's and I'm tired of having some great sex and then waking up scared the next day. :(

It's not the escorting, the type of men 'pornstar' escorts have as clients are clean cut middle aged men mostly, i've never heard of an escort fucking bareback. it's what these girls do in their private lives - it seems like it's becoming trendy/cool to fuck and be involved with bi-sexual dudes, those guys can claim they're bi but i bet most of them if they were honest would be 'gay'. girls for whom there's 'buzz' in the industry about fucking bi/gay guys shouldn't be working in hetero porn, not without disclosing it to the people they're working for or with.

same goes for male talent who are bi.

Even though I personally have never seen anyone in the industry using intravenous drugs...I would think that could also factor in.
The people who use that would be pretty secretive about it I would think.

I don't know...the whole thing is a difficult situation. You can't really start dictating to people what they can and can't do in their personal lives.

And we all know that IF you do something that you're not supposed to...you aren't gonna offer up the information.

We're talking sex here. It's such a personal thing that it makes it almost impossible to put "rules" on it.

How do people know who has or hasn't indulged in a little gay sex? Would you tell me if you had done it last night? Of course not.

Same with I.V. drug use. Nobody is gonna admit to it.

I'm not sure what else can be done other than testing and possibly the use of the preventative pill.
Other than that...we'll all be shooting condom porn if the media and the govt. have their way (the govt. of course loves it when shit like this happens to the adult industry...gives them more power over us and one more step to shutting us down).

Unless the drug is rare or imported from the USA, we get generic drugs from various parts of Asia at a fraction of the cost. Just like you guys can go get in Mexico. Here and there I'll come across a drug that isn't cheap, but 95% of them are dirt cheap.

It is down right criminal how expensive most drugs are in the USA.

can relate to that, when I drank and used coke... but now, not really .. only tested girls for me these days ... getting tested again mon morn

lots of heroin in the models these days, and the HIV is NOT in the industry... coming for the outside and being blamed on the industry... 180 scenes and 5 infections since 2004 and none since 2004... seriously

And I'm not even talking about generics. I'm talking NAME brands!

The same exact thing that you buy in the U.S. is 2 or 3 times cheaper in every other country in the world.

Same thing goes for medical procedures, hospital stays, etc.

There is a HUGE medical tourism industry in Tijuana for instance. One minute you're in San Diego visiting a doctor. A short ten minute drive across the border and you can get the same treatment for half the cost.

You should see it...when you first drive across the border into Tijuana it looks like Disneyland of doctors and pharmacies.

And I read there is an even bigger medical tourism industry in India. People from the U.S. are flying there in large numbers to have major surgeries done at 1/10th the cost of the U.S.

You can google around on that and it will blow your mind.
They have complete packages set up with first class air fare, a 5 star resort for you to stay at while you recuperate, etc. and with air fare and hotel included you still save a hundred grand on heart surgery for instance!

it's a sinking feeling isnt it ? :2 cents:

It's a helluva buzz kill.

There is NOTHING on earth that feels as good as sex. Nothing. No drug, no stimulus. It's the best thing ever.

And it's hard to beat the thrill of sex with a new person.

So the whole HIV/AIDS really, really sucks and has definitely lowered the quality of life for all of us as far as drinking in all that life has to offer and truly living (not just existing).

Not saying it's all doom and gloom or anything. Just saying it has definitely put a damper on shit.

I'm just old enough to have experienced a few years of sexual activity before AIDS became an issue. I started playing in rock bands professionally in 1979 when I was still 17 just about to turn 18. And I had a few good years of carefree casual sex with no worries before the shit hit the fan.

And it was fucking great!

Women were a lot more promiscuous then and it was a lot of fun. They had birth control so the general feeling was "if it feels good, do it".
But that didn't last long for the window of time that I was working with. :(

HIV isn't anywhere until it is. And if heroin is popular these days among the models, then you're sitting on a time bomb.

However many HIV+ performers you've had in x amount of time is irreverent, because one is too many for "professionals." "Professionals" wouldn't have any. But it's not a group of professionals, it's a group of people winging it with professionals scattered about in the mix.

No use in sugar coating the reality of the situation, which is people in porn are very sexually promiscuous. Many of the girls escort, and all of the guys (as all guys are) are whores. The kind of guy driven to be in the porn industry doesn't stop fucking when the camera cuts, regardless of what anyone says or thinks. It just doesn't work that way. Sexually charged people can't turn that off. It's always there, they are always going to have risky sex with multiple partners. ALWAYS. And they are not going to tell you or their agent 75% of the freaky shit they do or the risks they take. That is human nature 101. Everyone has secrets.

And that doesn't even take into account all the closet bi-sexual dudes out there that NO ONE, not even their agents and producers, know about. And who's keeping track of the guys going out of the country, like coming to Thailand on "holiday" when in reality they are fucking ladyboys? I could ruin a career or two in a heartbeat if I wanted to be an asshole, but what they do in their personal life isn't anyone's business. And no one in Porn Valley knows the wiser.

I'm not dogging anyone for being a slut, 'cause I'm a slut. And Buddha bless each and every one of them. But saying they are responsible in their personal life, even in the slightest, or that their agent would know everything they do, is just absurd. I've personally barebacked more LA porn girls off cam over the years than I should have, so I know exactly what these girls do when it's just you and them in a hotel room. And everyone in the business knows this too but most won't talk about just how reckless everyone really is because they don't want to lose work over it. Whores are whores, and porn girls are usually the biggest whores of them all. No disrespect to them, and I love dirty girls like that, but most of them are complete cum sluts and they know it. People who take risks will always take risks. And that is why HIV will always haunt the industry regardless of whatever testing methods are put into place.

It's a roll of the dice, that's all. Every day, every shoot, every test, it's all just a gamble. Your tests are only as good as the client your girl barebacked the night before, or as clean as the needle she used to shoot up with between her toes, or as safe as the bi-sexual male performer the night before when he took a load in his ass from another dude or shemale. Roll the dice, maybe it will work out. Maybe it won't. Nothing none of you can do about it either way.

Yep.

India, Singapore, Mexico, Thailand, and so on. Medical tourism is exploding globally right now. Something to think about in terms of investing.

I hope this young lady with HIV has the same courage Rod Daily and Cameron Bay exhibited and comes forward.

"The meaning of the Kama Sutta is that sexual desire, like any habitual sense pleasure, brings suffering. To lay people Buddha advised that they should at least avoid sexual misconduct which meant following generally accepted norms of sexual morality and behavior. From Buddha's full-time disciples, the ordained monks and nuns, strict celibacy has always been required." :arcadefre

At this stage, does she need to? Shouldn't those who need to know, know by now?

You guys either have to trust the system you have and trust that everyone is looking out for everyone else, or you need to tear it all down tomorrow and start new with a system you can trust, minus the cockroaches.

100% truth. All desires and attachment lead to suffering.

But unless you're willing to be a monk, it's impossible to live a life without desires and attachment.

Been there done that, worst that happened was crabs , or the odd bout of Gonorrhea:winkwink:

The good ol' days.

I feel sorry for younger people. Hell, anyone born past the early 1980's has never known anything BUT fear of unprotected sex.

I couldn't imagine what that must be like.

Good post detailing what we are up against. Now how do we deal with it?

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The problems you mention are exacerbated by:

? Agents sending out talent to perform in extremely high risk behavior

? Agents knowing talent is escorting on the side

? Agencies operating an escort service website in addition to their adult booking agency (i.e., TLC)

? The industry not having a standard for testing (some studios do not require tests if the performers use condoms)

? The FSC going beyond a advocate/watchdog role, and becoming financially and politically involved promoting PASS

Personally, I don't buy into the blanket statement that "those who need to know, know."

Such a presumption is fraught with danger. What if those in the know have a vested interest that they wish to manipulate to their own interest, or worse cover up? What if a performer doesn't identify everyone because they don't want to admit that they did privates, that they did bareback once/regularly, or was ashamed that they are a closet IV drug junkie? What if they are simply trying to protect someone's identity?

I applaud Cameron and Rod for coming out and publicly acknowledging that they are HIV+, and I would encourage anyone else in the industry that test HIV+ to do the same.

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ADG

Hang on a second ADG...what studio in California does "not require tests if the performers use condoms"????

No "straight" studios that I know of for sure. If you're gonna make that statement please back it up because you know goddamn well that the enemies of this industry are reading these posts and if they believe what you just said they will use that to HURT our industry.

One other point...you said "Agents sending out talent to perform in extremely high risk behavior"
What? First off I think agents are kinda parasitic, but to be fair...they are "agents" for talent to go to do porn scenes.

If we are going to call fucking a "high risk behavior"...then yeah, I guess that's what they are SUPPOSED to be doing as their agent.

Now if you tell me that the agents are sending talent out to walk a high wire 500 feet in the air without a net...then I would say they are sending them out on a dangerous assignment.

But sending a talent out to fuck in a porn scene, when that is what the talent DOES in porn scenes? I think you're going a little off and being a little bit over the top here.

Remember...as I said, the enemies of our industry READ this shit. And unless you want your own words quoted in court AGAINST our very industry, it might be wise to keep the rhetoric down to a dull roar.

Just sayin'. I'm not trying to attack you. I'm just pointing it out.

cough... cough... Ma Dalton :winkwink:

right now the odds are better for getting hit by a meter, while getting robbed and hit with a car while getting bit by a rattle snake.. FYI: it's not the governments to eliminate EVERY possible threat in the world to it's population... and I'm not sure why you think it is?

Stribild is the same poison they were dishing out before, tenofovir and other meds but mashed into 1 pill.

Truvada, the preventive pill to supposedly avoid HIV, is also tenofovir + one other medication.

So neither is anything new or revolutionary. It's what they've been dishing out to HIV patients before they just figure out how to combine the pills. Same nasty side effects whether you take 2 pills or one

I'm surprised that someone as informed as you, claims to be unaware that some adult companies have been shooting without testing...it is not exactly a secret:

Scary stuff... :disgust

I've been an activist for various causes most of my adult life, so I'm used to the argument, "don't debate controversial issues publicly, because the opposition might get ideas or use the info against us."

Nonsense.

In the case of the adult industry, AHF/Weinstein is eating the industry's lunch, and all some people can do is worry about when someone within the industry points out some of the problems in the adult industry which should be confronted and dealt with if we are going to move forward.

Besides, none of the info that I am revealing is secret information. In fact most of it comes from public sources that I know the AHF and others are well aware of.

As long as you have one segment of the industry operating with an attitude that condoms are mandatory but testing is not, while another segment embraces testing, but not condoms, you have a prescription for disaster, especially when you have people doing cross-over work involving both of those sectors.



One approach which can be considered, is that instead of being this nebulous unmanageable adult industry that cannot agree on most basic issues like testing/condoms, we need to form instead a specific organization that defines rules/standards for the members of the organization.

We need a more closed system. We also need to do a lot more educating. If nothing else, then I sincerely hope that a performers Union of some sort comes from all of this that will better look out for the interests of the performers.

As a shooter/producer, I have as much at stake in what happens as anyone. I would like to see the adult industry grow up and get better.

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ADG

HDK catered, to bugchasers. Its audience practiced it, its models practiced it. Some/many of the models were known for being HIV+ and fucking around at bareback parties. From a friend I know of at least a couple of HDK models attending parties like that. Bill himself was HIV+ and die a few years ago from lung cancer, a side effect of the HIV drugs

There are some gay studios that refuse the testing and see it as whatever - degrading, conformist etc.

I don't think you can. It's herding cats.

The personality type that is generally drawn to the porn industry is what will keep it from every being united on anything.

As you know, I work in a country with very high HIV rates. I think we're #38 in the world. We have testing, but we don't have anyone holding our hands, keeping track of who screwed who, or keeping track of who is sick. Diane Duke probably couldn't find us on a map, and Mike South isn't keeping us updated on what is going on, even though that would be a trip if he was. Instead, everyone who works here accepts personal responsibility for their actions and does the best they can with what they have. That is the best anyone can do, here or there. Understand the risks at hand and do the best you can. If you (not you personally) don't have the stomach for it, perhaps this business isn't for you, because there will ALWAYS be a risk that you will get sick.

All of us who work here deal with sick girls more often that we'd like to. We're usually in the rooms with them when they find out. It's just part of the job, and I signed up to do it of my own free will. If something goes south, be it legally or health wise, I will accept that fate as I knew the consequences going in. IMHO, that is what needs to happen in the western porn world, everyone takes personal responsibility and educates themselves the best they can so they fully know the risks. If something goes south, they knew the risk going in.

My view is a little harsh, I know. But it is what it is. We deal with way more HIV models here than you guys do there, and you never hear any of us complaining about it. It's just part of the job, and any of us can quit any time we want.

Not sure where you're getting the government bit, but in regards to risk, you are way off. You're working among a group of people who are some of the most sexually promiscuous people IN THE WORLD, who also use heroin (according to what you said before), and escort and engage in other high risk behavior. I'd say you are working in a very high risk group, like it or not. You may be in denial about it, or just putting on your industry face to make everyone look better, but I know better. I've worked in LA, I know how it's done. I've dumped my cum into a lot LA porn girls when I saw them as escorts. I've shot girls there who didn't even care to look at the male's test. The fantasy that porn people are safer than non-porn people, is a lie told by industry people to make the industry look better. I get that and understand everyone is just trying to cover their ass and keep putting food on the table. But it doesn't fix the problem or even begin to address it.

But you will be regulated. Count on it. The authorities don't care about on set or off set transmission. They only hear "three porn actors have HIV" and that is all they need to hear. That's all the public hears too. Only people IN the business care about the details.

While there is no way to prove it, I would bet money that somewhere in LA, right now, someone is shooting bareback, and some porn girl is taking a load of John jizz in her well used box for an extra $100.

I'm not gonna quote the whole thing but DWB.. Powerful!

True personal responsibility is a concept that is not understood by most unfortunately.

Bug chasers... what a strange phenomenon.

Anyway... there is a breeding party at my house later. See ya there!

Ah...so ADG you are citing 2 gay production companies.

You SHOULD have stated that in your original thread. If you notice...none of this is being aimed at the gay adult world.

It's all being squarely fired at the straight porn valley.

But the way you posted it was as if the big straight production studios were doing that. And I know damn well that is not true. They are all scared shitless of liability and getting sued.

Porno Dan always speaks for the minds of the sane.

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While I totally agree with people taking personal responsibility for themselves, I would add that life is much more complex than that, and other factors come into play as well, whether we like it or not.

While you don't mind the risks associated with shooting illegally in 3rd world countries, sometimes in less than ideal health and safety conditions, and involving some very high risk behavior, there are many of us in the industry that prefer to do things legally, pay our taxes, and to hopefully not be unfairly harassed by the government. (I say that in a totally non-condescending way, btw - not being judgmental - we've met and I consider you a friend and kindred spirit; with you, I generally shake my head more in wonderment than disapproval, lol).

What I am saying is that the adult industry is not doing all that it can do to protect the health and safety of it's performers. For that reason (as well as others) we currently find ourselves under siege yet again (the cavalier attitude towards sex you mentioned, religious/political agendas of some industry opponents, etc).

The reality is that the FSC, which claims to be the industry trade association, is losing credibility and losing ground. I don't think that the FSC can tell everyone to go back to business as usual this time. Either the FSC needs to change, it needs to be changed, or a new organization should be formed to replace it. :2 cents:

In the end, I will keep doing what I have been doing, which is to support the FSC when they do good things, tell them about it when I think they are messing up (as in with this whole testing/moratorium fiasco), and most of all making sure that I am doing everything within my power to ensure the health and safety of people whom I work with, regardless of what the FSC or anyone else says.

On a side note, I've heard heroin come up a few times. That is something I have never seen in my 14 years in the industry. Perhaps it is because I am far removed from LA, or perhaps it may be that Asian performers tend to not be as wild/extreme (at least nearly all of the ones I work with). I don't know. Most directors whom I know have the same no drugs, no alcohol, no weapons, policy that I do on my sets, which is as much about protecting my company from any liability issues, as it is the professional thing to do.

I would hope that agents would be attuned to looking out for drug abuse problems, and do what they can to get performers help, or at least not book talent for work if they think that they are using IV drugs, and could be of harm to themselves/others.

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ADG

Scary graphic, I remember those couple of months.