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So you are saying that you've never hired/fucked girls that do drugs, or that have fucked gay guys unprotected, etc? You are fucking kidding yourself.

Now let's say that one of these girls had a clean test, but contracted HIV+ which was not detected, and you just happened to hire her when the infection kicked in and her HIV+ count jumped, and you were infected.

How did the industry protect you now that you already have HIV?

Your attitude is that if a person in the adult industry contracts HIV, they should be kicked to the curb, and forced to fend for themselves.

I would expect more compassion and empathy from a director/performer, but I know you personally and consider you a good person, so I imagine that your attitude is fairly prevalent in the adult industry.

Therefore, I urge everyone reading this to consider their humanity when they openly and publicly shun someone from our industry for contracting HIV, a life changing/threatening disease, no matter how they contracted it, and try to show them some love and support instead of persecuting them.

I'm not sure that I would have the same positive attitude as Cameron Bay, were the circumstances reversed:

From Cameron's twitter yesterday:

Anyone who would like to contribute to Cameron Bay's HIV Medical Fund may do so here:

https://www.giveforward.com/fundrais...v-medical-fund

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ADG

doubt she fucked gay guys, we have no use for tits and pussy :1orglaugh

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To be fair, that sounds like a blanket description that could apply to a lot of people in the biz. Many girls do drugs, escort unprotected, and LOVE fucking bi-sexual or "gay for pay" dudes. Uninhibited males are usually a huge turn on for many women, especially dysfunctional ones.

I find it odd that an abusive shooting gang bang is morally acceptable, but having sex with one switch hitter (who is your boyfriend) isn't. Because many of them do drugs and escort. And according to Grapesoda, girls are even using heroin these days. So either the industry turns its back on everyone who tests positive, or no one. Though, I think it's pretty clear at this point that the business will shit on anyone who they can't profit from. You can see that by looking at her paltry $330 donation fund. She isn't of use anymore, so toss her to the streets where she came from.

And you guys wonder why people don't like to come forward when they test positive. Not only are they instantly shit on, but everyone in porn suddenly becomes the morality police and judges them.

Not sure why there is a fund. Read this about the Obama Care law (again, why isn't anyone here using fucking GOOGLE?):

"For people who have been locked out of the insurance market because of their health status, including those living with HIV/AIDS, the law created the Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan. More than 90,000 people—some of whom are living with HIV or AIDS—have enrolled in this program, which has helped change lives and, in many cases, save them."

Being that I don't live there, I have not kept up with Obama Care. Is it in full effect already?

:2 cents: Seeing how all three of these and the ones previously were handled I do not know if I would come forward to help the biz at all if I were them.. No wonder Derrick Burts started working for AHF, at least they offered to help. :2 cents:

No, not full effect. But a lot of it is already in place (enough to have driven by insurance rates through the roof).

Point is, that part IS in place. So all of this "help" is not needed. We're already ALL paying for it.

So it's bought and paid for, one pill a day. Stay on that regimen as you're supposed to and in a few months your viral load is ZERO. You effectively are HIV-free as long as you stay on the pill.

Long healthy life. Forget about having kids (though I would think that even might be possible, I'm not a doctor so I don't know and wouldn't want to "test" it).
Everything else in your life would be just fine.

That is...UNLESS your name got broadcast to the public. Then you have to deal with the social stigma. Which is why there is a fear of testing amongst performers.

This bullshit where your medical records are public and get posted for thousands to see and then get on the news for millions to see...now THAT can ruin your life.

Be sure to pass along all of your free advice to Cameron.

I hope the Affordable Care Act does everything you say it does to help people fitting Cameron's exact circumstances.

If you don't want to send a donation to Cameron, you can always send a "HUG":

Cameron Bay HIV Medical Fund

You appear to always be looking for chemical answers to everything. You are injecting/ingesting testosterone, and you shrug off HIV. :(

Are you and Claudia Marie honoring the production moratorium? Is she still escorting while this is going on?

(NOTE: I have no reason to suspect, and in fact doubt that CM was exposed to any of the people so far identified as HIV+).

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Claudia Marie from old scene with Alex Gonz

Why I ask, is that I received this e-mail from Claudia Marie's site just the other day (Sept 9th):

Another part of your e-mail is straight up pimping:

From Claudia's ad, which indicates she is open for business as usual:

Please don't tell us that if Claudia Marie was to contract an HIV infection, that you would keep it private, pump her full of pills, and pimp her back out there for every Tom, Dick, and Harry, that would be pounding her diseased pussy (along with unsuspecting people in the adult industry that thought she was completely HIV free because her private tests showed her as negative). I doubt that her fans or anyone in the industry would like to know that.

Well, one thing is sure, if you or Claudia Marie were to contract HIV and requested assistance, I wouldn't think twice about helping you. I would try to help in some way. :2 cents:

We've met in person a handful of times, and I like you in many ways because you are quite a character (not quite in the same league as DWB, but you try, damn it), so I have seen your soft sensitive side (even if you were trying your manliest best not to show it).

All I can say is that you have a big heart, but a thick head sometimes. :winkwink:

Play safe... :)

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ADG

Lawrence (ADG), I suggest you stay the fuck out of my personal business.

Or next time I see you, it won't be pretty. :)

gentlemen...

leaving ADG rather deflated...

insert balloon popping pic
insert boxer on floor looking dazed

All I'm saying in my posts are that people should start using GOOGLE and research this for themselves.

1. HIV is now treatable by a single pill. That pill will reduce your viral load to ZERO. You can live a long and healthy life.

2. That pill is covered by insurance under Obama Care. Nobody needs "help" for their treatment.

I have NO idea why ADG decided to make that post that is supposed to put me in a bad light. I've watched him in this thread do the same thing to Porno Dan for no reason at all.

But I'm not a nice guy like Dan is.

ADG isn't some faceless troll, he's a guy I've sat with...talked with...hung out with, and shook his hand. I considered him to be a friend.

To try and make me look bad in a post was totally uncalled for. I hope that he calms the fuck down and re-thinks that post.

Again...all I'm saying is EVERYBODY educate yourselves. I've found out things about HIV that I had NO idea about in the last few days. And most of it was a lot better than I thought it was going to be.
Not saying that it's okay to catch it. Of course not. But it's not as bad as it's been made out to be either.

Just google it up and start learning for yourselves. Don't listen to me. It's easily done with a few clicks.

[QUOTE=AsianDivaGirlsWebDude;19795632So you are saying that you've never hired/fucked girls that do drugs, or that have fucked gay guys unprotected, etc? You are fucking kidding yourself.

Now let's say that one of these girls had a clean test, but contracted HIV+ which was not detected, and you just happened to hire her when the infection kicked in and her HIV+ count jumped, and you were infected.

ADG[/QUOTE]

I have NEVER hired a guy before that has done gay for pay that I have known about. If I know a guy has done gay. I NEVER hired him. It was a precautionary measure on my point
And it was my choice. Obviously I hired some that had done gay before that I didnt know about. That was their choice. I have complete compassion for anyone that contracts this aweful disease. BUT im not about to contribute to someone who knowingly put themselves and others in harms way. I am more apt to contributed to another female or male performer that has contatcted HIV from the ground zero patient. I know lots of people do all kinds of drugs, and interacts with talent who plays both sides of the fence..and they know VERY WELL what can happen because of it. Right or wrong that is my opinion. I hope all parties are well and receive my best wishes.

As far as me contracting HIV when I was doing BG sets.. I know the risk is there every time I shot. I to this day think porn is the safest way to have unprotected sex. The tests may not be flawless.. but is there anything in life flawless. Im not gonna compare apples and oranges .. but every time I ref a hockey game there is always the chance I fall and break my neck. Do I know the risks.. yes Do I still work yes.

Is there an answer for this mess.. who knows.. probably never gonna be perfect. Maybe an answer is a blanket insurance company where the powers to be in the porn biz come up with some plan to insure people. Maybe the more these cases pop up the more girls will NOT screw guys who do bareback gay. I don't know. I would be more than happy to be part of the solution than part of the discussion.

I think you've more or less managed to do that all on your own.

I'm not sure where you got the "through the roof" information, but I've read otherwise, : Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/he...anted=all&_r=0; and here on CNN, Study says not to expect Obamacare premium spike: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...iref=allsearch. It seems that like Rick in Casablanca you've been misinformend.

What I like about the NY Times and CNN is that they just report the news and let me decide. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Key words being, that you knew about. There are a lot of guys riding both sides of the fence. I never knew how many guys there were until I got into the gay and shemale side of the business and started working with models in the niche. It was a real eye opener. I'd wager no less than 1/2 of your "straight" guys in the business are at the very least sucking tranny cock in their private life, and no one knows about it.

Yea, but how about the girls who bareback clients while escorting? Lots of clients are bi-sexual. In fact, usually every guy who is into shemales also digs girls. So these girls are barebacking clients who no doubt also bareback shemales. So long as the girls are escorting, it is just as risky as working with guys who are gay for pay, or bi in their private life.

I honestly don't know how you close that hole and keep everyone safe. How do you police someone who engages in risky behavior in secret, then shows up on set the next day? That's a tough one. But I don't think it's possible. It will come down to doing the best you can with what you have and hope for the best.

I too have read that New York insurance rates went down.

But here in Vegas? Mine are THROUGH THE ROOF. lol

And in California I read that they are going up by 100%.

And it's not "disinformation", it's me looking at my insurance premiums. Notice in my post I didn't talk about "in general"...though it has already been shown that it has raised most insurance premiums across the country.

Anyway...don't want to argue the point. I have no choice but to pay my insurance premiums. :)

I just hope that when the rest of it FINALLY (if ever) goes online, that it will bring them back down. It's supposed to be "The Affordable Health Care" law. :)

But the way they keep putting it off: Obama delayed it for big business, the unions are trying to get it pushed back too, Congress gave itself a subsidy that we regular citizens don't get for themselves, their family, and all their staff...I don't know if it's ever gonna fully be implemented fairly.

4 States will see reduced costs. Reason is Most of these states already did the things Obama care calls for, so the Forced added Healthy people will reduce the others Premiums
New York is the biggest one for this..

This is why it doesn't matter if there isn't a 4th performer or not, or even a 5th one, or if it was caught on set or not. This is what the world sees:

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You guys can stand on the top of the Aon Center and shout that it's all not true until blood shoots from your mouth, but it won't matter with headlines like that.

That's the truth. The media is just looking for ratings...and that kind of headline would sell.

Thank goodness for the "Crisis in Syria" hogging up all the headlines. :)

:1orglaugh #truth

As soon as the missiles start hitting Syria, this HIV issue will vanish from the media.

I see that the BENGHAZI thing has been reviving recently too.

That is the key word KNOW ABOUT you have to start somewhere. If you know the stove is hot don't touch it. If you get burned knowing the stove is hot don't ask me to chip in and pay for your ointment. My whole point was about KNOWINGLY fucking someone who does gay porn. That's Russian roulette with 5 bullets instead of one.

Didn't realize I was getting into your personal business when I asked whether or not Claudia Marie is honoring the moratorium, and whether she is still escorting while the moratorium is in place.

To me, that is one of the questions the industry needs to ask. If people are not honoring the moratorium, or are escorting to earn income during the moratorium, that raises many issues for the adult industry.

Not sure how my question puts you in a bad spotlight, since only you know the answer to those questions, and apparently choose not to answer them.

Other than that, you are open about Claudia escorting, so I did not say that to show Claudia Marie in a bad light. Like you, I think prostitution should be legalized (although I probably think it should be regulated more than you).

I simply did so to raise another important issue confronting this industry, and that is how escorting adds risk to the equation, since unlike tested industry talent, most John's are untested, and probably less likely as concerned about their health and hygiene than the average adult performer (with the pro performers I have hired, they usually arrive fresh and clean, and then they clean up more before their scene).

Anyway, nothing personal directed towards you or Claudia Marie. I apologize if you took it that way.



My main objective in this thread was to keep the HIV issue on Page 1, while others wish it would die away, by asking hard questions; hopefully to get some answers, but also to stir debate and get people to start asking themselves some serious questions that impact us in many more ways than just our pocketbooks.

I am deeply disappointed with anyone in the industry attacking any of the people who have contracted HIV, and Cameron Bay in particular. I don't care how much testosterone you take Robbie (and I mean that as a sarcastic joke, so don't have roid rage, lol), Cameron Bay has bigger balls than you or anyone else in this industry for how she has owned up to her illness, and how she is dealing with it.

If you are forced to take pills daily to keep HIV in check, your life is changed forever.


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I have been trying to put a human face to HIV, in the hopes that each and every person, no matter what their role is in the adult industry, does take people getting infected with HIV in our industry personally.

I've spent most of my adult life living here in the Bay Area, Ground Zero for HIV and AIDS.

Over the years I have lost over a dozen friends to AIDS, most in the late 80's and early 90's, including a couple of dear friends. Perhaps that does make me extra sensitive about this issue.

I'm happy that better treatments are now available, and I don't have to visit friends in hospices as often, or attend as many funerals as I had to in the early days of HIV/AIDS.

There is nothing I would like better than to see a cure to such a dreadful disease. We're in the adult industry, so we celebrate sex. How tragic that undiagnosed and untreated, HIV/AIDS can kill you.

Dislike my if you wish to Robbie. We're similar in many ways (although you are more Keith Richards, and I am more John Lennon). I mean that with regards to how we are both passionate independents in this industry, who pretty much speak our minds, and try to be honest and ethical when we do so.

I hope on the issues which we do agree about, you'll continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with me (piracy, etc).

I'll end this thread with a post from the Cameron Bay HIV Medical Fund:

Peace and Love

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ADG

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The Porn Valley Mexican Stand-Off...Continues

According to the FSC/PASS site, the FSC was supposed to meet Tuesday about patient #3 exposure re-tests, and to decide what steps to take next, such as lifting or extending the production moratorium, which was announced as a result of HIV+ #3 (even though the FSC initially said HIV+ #3 never worked in the industry - kind of begs the question as to who is being re-tested if HIV+ #3 never worked with anyone after testing positive).

Meanwhile, Weinstein of the AHF claims to know of a 4th HIV+ case, which the FSC is vehemently denying. Perhaps Weinstein is waiting on the FSC to make their announcement first so he can spring a "gotcha" on them. Otherwise, he is lying about a rather serious matter.

One thing is known, Public Health officials have to be notified by the testing clinic within 7 days of any HIV+ results, so we'll find out soon enough who is telling the truth this time (although both the FSC/AHF are masters of double-talk spin control deception).

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Surprised no one has made "Not Rebel Without A Cause XXX" starring James Deen yet. :winkwink:

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ADG

NEW NEWS: An extension of the adult industry production moratorium was announced by PASS today:

The California State legislature may vote on AB640 today, making condoms mandatory statewide, as early as today. :warning

Cameron Bay was interviewed for an article which went into detail about her case:

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Cameron Bay HIV Medical Fund: https://www.giveforward.com/fundrais...v-medical-fund


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ADG

And that's the problem.. Under CCR 5193 they already are mandatory statewide. Do we need two laws to say the same thing??

You gotta assume they all do, because a lot of them do.

I don't get it...the LAW says that under Obama Care that insurance companies have to pay for the HIV meds.

The new one a day pill shouldn't make her sick at all.

Just doesn't add up right to me. Somebody is not giving her proper medical advice and insurance advice.

Even here in Vegas you can pretty much go to the LGBT and get all this stuff for free. Not sure why this girl is paying like that...unless the AHF other anti-porn people are "guiding" her.

I can't even fathom why someone would be publicly announcing that they have a fever and are in the hospital unless they are being manipulated?

That's probably the first time that has ever happened. :upsidedow

If you read the text of AB640, it refers to CCR 5193 several times, so it appears that the legislators are trying to make a law specific to the adult industry:

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ADG

I won't use the tranny fucker either

Question... if you guys avoid guys who openly work in the gay or tranny side of the business, how do you deal with girls who work with these guys and shemales on other shoots? Are they avoided as well? Seems to be a lot of girls working with shemales these days.

LIVE discussion on LGBT and Obamacare is happening RIGHT now.. http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

Who Is Gonna Put Their Money Where Their Mouth Is?
 

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Rob Black vs Mike South

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A novel fundraising idea:

Porn pundits Mike South and Rob Black like to mix it up on occasion, and the current HIIV situation brought them together (to fight each other) once again, except this time something actually good may come from it.

Mike South has challenged Rob Black to put his money where his mouth is to show his support for the three recently confirmed adult industry HIV+ cases by making a financial donation, which South said that he will match:

Well, looks like Mike bought himself an easy out by making the condition that Rob STFU - that's about as likely as Michael Weinstein and Diane Duke doing a bareback anal scene (although that would probably generate a lot of sales).

To date, neither man has donated a penny to Cameron. It would be a shame if they both were doing this for the sole purpose of exploiting this issue to generate eyeballs for their respective online rags. :disgust

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ADG

@AsianDiva - CalOSHA already has new language for 5193 that is industry specific that is being sent to FedOSHA for approval this month.

AB640 is nothing more than political and fundraising grandstanding. No one is going to enforce this just as they dont bother to enforce Measure B in LA County.

CalOSHA is the department that has authority over workplace safety. When Weinstein didnt get the unwavering support he wanted for his pet project from CalOSHA he found Hall and paid him some money. Hall must think this will take him national and keeps trying to pass an unnecessary bill. Most the legislators know its wasteful. I suspect thats why his first one died in committee.

He finally got this one to a vote but Jerry Brown has former ties to the industry so it will be interesting to see what he does with this.

sorry bro that was a reader mail from Brad Armstrong....I generally ignore Rob Black, he lacks the common sense and the credibility to be worthy of my time ;)

Is this a reference to the male talent whose name is the same as the name of one of the world's major religions?

hmmm wonder who that is?!? :upsidedow

Brad is good people.


OHHH man!! That Crack head Black!! This guy is on another level of stupidity.


He has a few good ideas, but nobody will ever get past the his attacks on everyone in the adult biz.


And he makes a big deal about getting free testing. Somebody should ask him what kind of tests he is getting for free. And what good is free if it takes 2 weeks to get back?


This business is falling apart at the seems.



Just Dave