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baddog 06-25-2013 07:59 PM

DWB - yes, they are saying he has been in the transit area for the past two days.

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Rochard 06-25-2013 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19687028)
DWB - yes, they are saying he has been in the transit area for the past two days.

So mother Russia cannot arrest him? Because... They have no authority in the "transit area"? This does not make sense to me. If someone pulls out a gun there do they say "We cannot enter because it is in the transit area?".

When they say "transit area" do they really mean "debriefing room"?

trevesty 06-25-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19685476)
I doubt Snowden took a oath he was after all just a random contractor. Maning on the other hand took a oath to protect the constitution and the people, not the govt...

They both did the right thing.

Bingo.:thumbsup

just a punk 06-26-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19686582)
china and russian drone strike their own children?

must have missed that in the news

Well said.

2Richard: Any examples of "missing rights"? :)

just a punk 06-26-2013 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19687108)
So mother Russia cannot arrest him? Because... They have no authority in the "transit area"? This does not make sense to me. If someone pulls out a gun there do they say "We cannot enter because it is in the transit area?".

When they say "transit area" do they really mean "debriefing room"?

Russia can arrest anybody in the transit area w/o any problems. On the other hand:

1) The guy haven't commuted any crime in Russia. Do you want him to be arrested for no reason? Sorry, but here in Russia (as you pointed it out already) we have "a huge lack of civilian rights", so our police can not arrest or kill you "just for fun". This is not America.

2) Russia has no mutual extradition agreement with the USA (because your country has refused to sign it). So the guy can not be extradited to the States according to the law.

just a punk 06-26-2013 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19686267)
They aren't an excuse to use this system on US traffic because according to the govt US traffic isn't targeted. If it's not targeted then why the need to capture it...

Do you trust them on that? Honestly.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-26-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19686735)

@DWB: You are just an ignorant perverted cocksucker that is also a fucking fruit cake.

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19686768)

RIP Pathfinder. Long live theking.

I'm blushing again. Thanks.

Fucking fruit cake...

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MaDalton 06-26-2013 03:00 AM

since i will travel via Moscow in August i just looked it up - transit visas are not necessary when the stay does not extend 24 hours and you dont leave the transit area

i assume he didnt plan to stay there longer than 24 hours and came without one - but i also assume that Russia does not make any trouble because of that now

DWB 06-26-2013 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19687028)
DWB - yes, they are saying he has been in the transit area for the past two days.

That makes more sense. I've yet to be in an airport where you can just loiter in the hall once you come off the plane. So if he's been there for 24 hours already, max that visa is good for 72 hours.

Of course there is still the other possibility that he's not there at all and this is just smoke and mirrors to get him somewhere else quietly. Between Julian Assange, everyone else at Wikileaks, and the several nations helping him, I'm sure they could come up with something to pull off a little slight-of-hand. Like the trip to Havana that he wasn't on, for example. Hell, maybe he was on it and flew in the cockpit of the plane. I think at this point it's fair to say he is getting a lot of help, so there is no telling where that help ends.

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19687108)
So mother Russia cannot arrest him? Because... They have no authority in the "transit area"? This does not make sense to me. If someone pulls out a gun there do they say "We cannot enter because it is in the transit area?".

When they say "transit area" do they really mean "debriefing room"?

I was going to answer but CyberSEO did so perfectly below...

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687236)
Russia can arrest anybody in the transit area w/o any problems. On the other hand:

1) The guy haven't commuted any crime in Russia. Do you want him to be arrested for no reason? Sorry, but here in Russia (as you pointed it out already) we have "a huge lack of civilian rights", so our police can not arrest or kill you "just for fun". This is not America.

2) Russia has no mutual extradition agreement with the USA (because your country has refused to sign it). So the guy can not be extradited to the States according to the law.

Beautifully said. :thumbsup

However, Rochard isn't going to be able to comprehend that. Because in his world, only Americans have rights and freedom. You red commie bastards got jack. :upsidedow

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19687319)
since i will travel via Moscow in August i just looked it up - transit visas are not necessary when the stay does not extend 24 hours and you dont leave the transit area

i assume he didnt plan to stay there longer than 24 hours and came without one - but i also assume that Russia does not make any trouble because of that now

Correct, under 24 hours no transit visa. Over 24 hours and up to 72 hours, you need one. But at this point I think all of us can guess he's getting special treatment, because he doesn't even have a passport, which is needed for a transit visa. His refugee document from Ecuador takes him to Ecuador and is only good for a certain amount of airlines and countries based on agreements, it's not lollygagging around the world.

Found this quote from Assange...

Quote:

Mr. Assange said it was unclear whether Mr. Snowden?s passport was revoked before he left Hong Kong. But, he said, Mr. Snowden was informed of the revocation when he landed in Moscow. He said it was uncertain whether and where Mr. Snowden might be able to travel from Moscow using the Ecuadorean document, which he described as a ?safe pass.?

?Different airlines have different rules, so it?s a technical matter whether they will accept the document,? he said.

He added that the rights of refugees to travel were guaranteed by various international treaties.

MaDalton 06-26-2013 03:38 AM

in case he's still there on August 8, I will say hello ;)

crockett 06-26-2013 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19686735)
Pigshit. PF was a seventy year old man who died of a stroke approaching 11 years ago. In adition I understand how it works just fine..thank you very much.

You are just an ignorant perverted cocksucker that is also a fucking fruit cake.

Get chased by any mountain lions lately?

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DWB 06-26-2013 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19687341)
in case he's still there on August 8, I will say hello ;)

Pics or it didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19687346)
Get chased by any mountain lions lately?

:1orglaugh

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19687350)

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just a punk 06-26-2013 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687217)
2Richard: Any examples of "missing rights"? :)

Oops, my question was directed to Rochard of course, not to Richard :upsidedow

Sid70 06-26-2013 05:24 AM

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dyna mo 06-26-2013 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19686594)
the same supreme court that rolled back the voters act?

what makes you think they care about doing anything 'supreme courtish'?

you don't have the mental capacity to interpret a sc ruling from another fucking country so just stfu. you wouldn't even know where to begin.

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687236)

1) The guy haven't commuted any crime in Russia. Do you want him to be arrested for no reason? Sorry, but here in Russia (as you pointed it out already) we have "a huge lack of civilian rights", so our police can not arrest or kill you "just for fun". This is not America.

2) Russia has no mutual extradition agreement with the USA (because your country has refused to sign it). So the guy can not be extradited to the States according to the law.


not perfectly stated at all

snowden traveled to russia on a revoked passport.

Quote:

However, National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden renewed Kerry?s call, in a statement issued late Tuesday that cited the fact that Snowden?s U.S. passport had been revoked.
"While we do not have an extradition treaty with Russia, there is nonetheless a clear legal basis to expel Mr. Snowden, based on the status of his travel documents and the pending charges against him.
we don't have an extradition treaty with russia due to a little thing called the cold war, maybe you fucking heard of it.

just a punk 06-26-2013 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687477)
snowden traveled to russia on a revoked passport.

So what? A revoked passport is not a reason for arrest and furthermore it's not a reason for extradition. Think about it like he had a valid passport but lost it somewhere in the transit zone. No crime - no arrest. He might be unable to leave Russian airport however. But who knows... maybe he've got a new passport from another country already? Or maybe he will get it tomorrow?

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687477)
we don't have an extradition treaty with russia due to a little thing called the cold war, maybe you fucking heard of it.

A cold war between Russia and the USA? Sorry but I never heard about it. Perhaps in some alternative reality but surely not in this world. The only cold war I heard about was between the USA and USSR (officially ended more than 20 years ago).

BTW, do the USA and UK have a mutual extradition agreement? As far I remember there was a real (not cold) war among them some time ago... ;)

DWB 06-26-2013 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687488)
So what? A revoked passport is not a reason for arrest and furthermore it's not a reason for extradition. No crime - no arrest.

He maybe unable to leave Russian airport however. But who knows... maybe heve got a new passport from another country already? Or maybe he will get it tomorrow?

Or he may already be long gone.

Someone with the USA after them probably isn't exactly going to be announcing their every legit move. Smoke and mirrors, all the way.

just a punk 06-26-2013 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19687499)
Or he may already be long gone.

Sure. Nobody know the truth now :2 cents:

dyna mo 06-26-2013 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687488)
So what? A revoked passport is not a reason for arrest and furthermore it's not a reason for extradition. Think about it like he had a valid passport but lost it somewhere in the airport transit zone. He maybe unable to leave Russian airport however. But who knows... maybe he've got a new passport from another country already? Or maybe he will get it tomorrow?


A cold war between Russia and the USA? Sorry but I never heard about it. Perhaps in some alternative reality but surely not in this world. The only cold war I heard about was between the USA and USSR (officially ended more than 20 years ago).

BTW, do the USA and UK have a mutual extradition agreement? As far I remember there was a real (not cold) war among them some time ago... ;)

lol, right. he's a wanted fugitive with a revoked passport. you can make it like that's no big deal in russia, maybe it's not, maybe your airports are a known hideout for international fugitives on the lamb. either way, use your common sense. he traveled there illegally. end of story.

so what if it *ended* 20 years ago, that's the fucking reason we don't have an extradition treaty with you, i didn't decide that, i am simply telling you that.

and yes, the usa and uk have an extradition treaty.

just a punk 06-26-2013 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687505)
lol, right. he's a wanted fugitive with a revoked passport. you can make it like that's no big deal in russia, maybe it's not, maybe your airports are a known hideout for international fugitives on the lamb. either way, use your common sense. he traveled there illegally. end of story.

End of story? LOL it's has just began :pimp

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687505)
so what if it *ended* 20 years ago, that's the fucking reason we don't have an extradition treaty with you, i didn't decide that, i am simply telling you that.

I didn't get it. Why do you tell me these alternative reality stories then? There was a cold war between The USA and Soviet Union. It has ended many years ago when Russian Federation (the country I live in) didn't even exist. Last time on my mind when Russia asked the USA to sign the extradition agreement was in 2011. But it wasn't signed again. Is it because of cold war?

Do you have an extradition agreement with say... Latvia or Estonia? Those also were parts of Soviet Union in case if you didn't know.

Don't be that stupid, man.

DWB 06-26-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687505)
lol, right. he's a wanted fugitive with a revoked passport. you can make it like that's no big deal in russia, maybe it's not, maybe your airports are a known hideout for international fugitives on the lamb. either way, use your common sense. he traveled there illegally. end of story.

so what if it *ended* 20 years ago, that's the fucking reason we don't have an extradition treaty with you, i didn't decide that, i am simply telling you that.

and yes, the usa and uk have an extradition treaty.

The refugee travel document is what got him to Russia. Or so they say. In reality, who really knows what is going on? As far as any of us know, he's drinking Vodka with Putin right now and reading Obama's emails. He may have never even left Hong Kong. You're dealing with a spy, corrupt nations, sensitive data, and Wikileaks. Anything is possible.

dyna mo 06-26-2013 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687516)
End of story? LOL it's has just began :pimp



I didn't get it. Why do you tell me these alternative reality stories then? There was a cold war between The USA and Soviet Union. It has ended many years ago when Russian Federation (the country I live in) didn't even exist. Last time on my mind when Russia asked the USA to sign the extradition agreement was in 2011. But it wasn't signed again. Is it because of cold war?

Do you have an extradition agreement with say... Latvia or Estonia? Those also were parts of Soviet Union in case if you didn't know.

Don't be that stupid, man.


look, i didn't make the decision against a fucking treaty, i am trying to explain to you that due to the fucking cold war america has opted not to sign your fucking treaty/.

that has no bearing on my level of stupid man, it's a simple fact. it has nothing to do with me, why you can't grasp that i have no idea.

dyna mo 06-26-2013 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19687580)
The refugee travel document is what got him to Russia. Or so they say. In reality, who really knows what is going on? As far as any of us know, he's drinking Vodka with Putin right now and reading Obama's emails. He may have never even left Hong Kong. You're dealing with a spy, corrupt nations, sensitive data, and Wikileaks. Anything is possible.

that's really beside the point by now in this thread. anything, real or bullshit, is fodder for anti-american rhetoric. i mean, bringing up an extradition treaty with britain to make a point against usa not having one with russia? and i should debate with that level of mentality?

jfc.

_Richard_ 06-26-2013 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687477)
you don't have the mental capacity to interpret a sc ruling from another fucking country so just stfu. you wouldn't even know where to begin.


listen methface.

Rochard 06-26-2013 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19687340)

However, Rochard isn't going to be able to comprehend that. Because in his world, only Americans have rights and freedom.

That's not insulting at all.

I comprehend that perfectly. It's not difficult to understand at all.

just a punk 06-26-2013 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687588)
look, i didn't make the decision against a fucking treaty, i am trying to explain to you that due to the fucking cold war america has opted not to sign your fucking treaty/.

I saw you tried, but I didn't get it just because it's a nonsense.

just a punk 06-26-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687598)
i mean, bringing up an extradition treaty with britain to make a point against usa not having one with russia? and i should debate with that level of mentality?

And even don't try please. You told me a very interesting alternative reality story (I'm appreciate that) trying to explain the things you have no fuckin' clue about. I see you've tried hard but you failed. Don't blame yourself, blame CNN and Fox News that have sucked your brain off :2 cents:

_Richard_ 06-26-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687685)
And even don't try please. You told me a very interesting alternative reality story (I'm appreciate that) trying to explain the things you have no fuckin' clue about. I see you've tried hard but you failed. Don't blame yourself, blame CNN and Fox News that have sucked your brain off :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh also..

Sid70 06-26-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687676)
I saw you tried, but I didn't get it just because it's a nonsense.

A guy is trying to tell you the US considers Russia an enemy still. That's why you have to apply for a visa and pay $120 :)))))))

dyna mo 06-26-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19687706)
A guy is trying to tell you the US considers Russia an enemy still. That's why you have to apply for a visa and pay $120 :)))))))

finally someone can grasp the concept of lingering mistrust.

i didn't invent it, i don't have it, i didn't disapprove the treaty. i simply informed the thread that is why we didn't sign.

not hard to grasp.

dyna mo 06-26-2013 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19687644)
listen methface.

i know it must suck for you to be owned by a doper. even with all my missing brain cells, i have to opt-out of all the times i can point out your bufoonery.

just a punk 06-26-2013 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19687706)
A guy is trying to tell you the US considers Russia an enemy still. That's why you have to apply for a visa and pay $120 :)))))))

Wrong! $160 for a 3-year visa. But yeah, that's a very reasonable price to punish the commie tourists that spend millions and millions of dollars yearly in the USA :winkwink:

_Richard_ 06-26-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19687721)
i know it must suck for you to be owned by a doper. even with all my missing brain cells, i have to opt-out of all the times i can point out your bufoonery.

perceived buffoonery, i believe you meant.

please, with insults, proper spelling and grammar.

DWB 06-26-2013 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19687672)
That's not insulting at all.

I comprehend that perfectly. It's not difficult to understand at all.

It wasn't supposed to be insulting. It was a comeback for this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19686563)
You mean countries where citizens have very little rights?

Russia was one of those countries, and as you have just found out, they have plenty of rights and are not arresting someone in the airport with a 200 man SWAT armed team like the USA would.

dyna mo 06-26-2013 09:21 AM

the spelling and grammar in my post is proper and correct. again, richard displaying how completely stupid he is.

richard, i tried to be nice to you, even when several people warned me that would backfire, i still tried to be ok with you. you couldn't figure that out and combined with your lack of common sense, reason, intelligence and inability to construct a logical post, you choose instead to try and insult me on a porno web board about drug use.


got it.

Sid70 06-26-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687725)
Wrong! $160 for a 3-year visa. But yeah, that's a very reasonable price to punish the commie tourists that spend millions and millions of dollars yearly in the USA :winkwink:

I did pay $120 for 5 year visa, they own you LOL

dyna mo 06-26-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19687725)
Wrong! $160 for a 3-year visa. But yeah, that's a very reasonable price to punish the commie tourists that spend millions and millions of dollars yearly in the USA :winkwink:

russian tourist vacation in america for 3 years at time and you have a problem with a $52/year fee to handle that.

got it.

dyna mo 06-26-2013 09:34 AM

how long can i vaca in russia for $140/$250 expedited?

You can apply for the visa in person at the Russian Consulate General that covers the state you are residing in. The application fee is $140 for regular processing and $ 250 for expedited services within three working days.


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