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Originally Posted by MaDalton
(Post 19685044)
you guys are hilarious btw... the Russians are laughing their asses off and have absolutely no intention to do any harm to him. Just watch RT
they will question him and then help him to get to whatever country that will give him asylum.
The US has given several Russians political asylum that the Russian government demanded to be extradited - now they will return the "favor"
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:2 cents: Most Americans have a distorted view of the world and reality. You can't fault them though, most of them have never been across their own border and are fed non-stop propaganda from birth, which they believe to be absolute truth.
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Originally Posted by AdultKing
(Post 19685059)
Snowden, Assange, Manning are all heroes. Shining lights bringing out the truth.
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:2 cents: They are real heroes. Statues, streets, schools, and libraries should be built and named for these guys and others like them who will come later.
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Originally Posted by globofun
(Post 19685103)
I would chose Cuba....for the beaches!
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Me too. I could spend the rest of my days there, no problem. If they had their internet together and would let me stay long term, I'd probably be there already.
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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger
(Post 19685119)
Guessing that the whole Ecuador thing is false bait. Probably misdirection. But not a bad country in which to live a very rich life.
The Russians have made their point, Putin is enjoying a laugh, and now, I think, they want him out of their hair. The problem is negotiating a final destination. It's looking like the Wikileaks people have developed some real sophistication at international diplomacy, and it looks from here that they are driving events.
Venezuela, Iceland, Switzerland.
The US government now seems so furious as to verge on being out of control on the issue of this man. The language they are using - concerning a man under federal indictment and supposedly in line to have a trial some day - is simply unprecedented. President Obama didn't hesitate to address it in his press conferences - the tradition, even with Nixon, was not to comment on pending criminal cases. (That seems to have gone out the window about the time that the Patriot Act became law.) They thought it was all figured out, to nail him in the wee hours of Sunday, but he'd been tipped off and flew the coop. They simply aren't used to this and they aren't used to being made to look like fools for all the world to see. There may be some desperate missteps, but one thing seems certain - that Mr. Snowden has sharply reduced the risk that he will be assassinated - he's just too high visibility for that now. Seldom in history does so much hinge on just one man.
Meanwhile, what's going on with Bradley Manning's court martial? My hunch is that what the government did to Manning is an important part of the backstory on Snowden's actions. You will recall that some of the charges against Manning were dismissed by a courageous military judge because of improper "command influence" - namely, the President commenting on this trial. That's entirely unprecedented in US military history - you will recall I served in the JAG Corps for four years.
The whole thing really is spinning out of the power of the administration to control. The usual media partners are not enough to contain the story and assassinate Snowden's character, and now they appear to be trying too hard; the criticism has become vitriolic. The expected casualty of all of this is most likely big chunks of the Patriot Act itself. I won't mourn for it!
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Excellent post.
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Originally Posted by theking
(Post 19685238)
Snowden and Manning broke their sworn oaths...which does not make them heroes...but does...at the least...make them criminals and at the worse make them traitors.
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Sometimes laws and oaths need to be broken when it is the right thing to do. Taking an oath should not shield those who are harming others.
If you took an oath and you knew of someone you had sworn to protect was raping little kids, would you spill the beans and break your ridiculous oath or just let them keep raping the kids? Actually, don't answer that becuase we both know you would allow the kids to continue being raped, as your holy oath would be more important than doing the right thing.
And in the case of the military, that oath is to protect from enemies foreign AND domestic. In this case, the enemy is clearly domestic.
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Originally Posted by theking
(Post 19685310)
I am not saying that Snowden and Manning simply broke the law...they broke a "sworn oath" which is more than breaking a mere law.
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Doing the right thing supersedes all laws and oaths, even if it means harsh consequences. A real hero understands this. Cowards, slaves, sheep, and propagandized people do not.
However, what you think does not matter.
History will remember these men as heroes. Currently, the rest of the world also sees these men as heroes and applaud their efforts. The rest of the world is laughing in the face of people like you. That is why Snowden can fly around and not be arrested, because no one wants to help the USA because they ALL know the USA did wrong, again. The truth hurts, I know, but look to the actions of the world to see the true reality of what is really happening. The entire world disagrees with you and your kind.
