That is actually a compliment, but you're too dumb to realize it.

They will get what they want from him, then turn him over; that would be the smart move.

I forgot Manning - my apologies

It's maturity, ass hat. But I digress.

You didn't answer my question, are you Marco?

"Pigshit" isn't really a proper answer to that question. That could mean no, or fuck, I just got caught, or I am a caveman with a small vocabulary, or even I'm dreaming of eating pigshit. Lots of possibilities there.

Which just shows how deep your sickness and perversion runs...but you're too dumb to realize it.

Another hero who deserves a medal.

Enough of the compliments, please. You're making me blush.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:pimp

I prefer maturation. I have a retired military friend...actually several...that live in your AO...and one of them is named Mark. He served under me at one point in time...hmm...but no he was never a Pathfinder...but then again neither was I.

82nd Airborne Division?

Yes...all four of them.

snowden is finished, he is on his way home. you just can not betray the n.s.a. like that without quick efficient help to get you on the safe road for your escape. moscow is yonks away from beijing, shanghai, hong kong, he is finished, this is almost over.

the fact of the matter is the united states is so vunerable. people are pissed in that country they are realising hold the fuck on this is not what i voted for in my blue government. people are pissed including thousands of government employees and their systems are so fragile and delicate one slight mistake and they would be sent in to turmoil.

whether snowden is really a genuine double or triple agent i don't know. but i re-iterate this is happening more often now people are not happy. :Oh crap

can someone help me understand why this guy deserves a medal?


america didn't create espionage and state secrets and high stakes games of world diplomacy and international intrigue.


y'all expect the u.s to be the only open book country of developed nations in 2013?

He seems to be in Russia.

Think about this for just a moment. He's a former NSA contractor with top secret clearance who has already betrayed his country. You really think Russia is going to just let him leave?

He's about to learn that water boarding is more like something your older brother does to you at the lake during summer vacation. LOL.

you guys are hilarious btw... the Russians are laughing their asses off and have absolutely no intention to do any harm to him. Just watch RT

they will question him and then help him to get to whatever country that will give him asylum.

The US has given several Russians political asylum that the Russian government demanded to be extradited - now they will return the "favor"

I hate to break it to you but the US is far away from having any sort of revolution. As long as people can buy nice cars, houses, have easy access to their basic needs they will be far to lazy to do anything...

Snowden, Assange, Manning are all heroes. Shining lights bringing out the truth.

The USA, UK, NZ and Australia proudly call themselves democracies with freedoms unmatched in the rest of the world, however the truth is they together run one of the most invasive, controlling and insidious intelligence programs the likes of which the KGB could only have dreamed about.

People are routinely pulled out of their beds in Australia by ASIO and the AFP just for being Muslim, held without the right to speak to lawyers, to tell their families where they are and then when released are not permitted to talk about their experience because that itself is a crime.

As it turned out from the cables releases of Wikileaks, several senior members of the Australian Parliament were/are actually CIA assets. What kind of democracy is it when the foreign power that is the USA has a hand in Australian policy settings beyond the scope of the influence of Australian voters ?

We are well past 1984, however George Orwell was wrong - 1984 wasn't to be the product of a totalitarian regime, it was to be the product of the so called leading democracies of this world.

And this surprises anyone?

Does it really surprise you that the largest and most powerful intelligence agency in the world has spies in foreign governments?

Wow are you are naive.

He will be moved to a non usa friendly country or stay in Russia. The fact he missed his flight is probably because they haven't found a country that will take the heat from the government. He will have a new home before the week is over.

I would chose Cuba....for the beaches!

I'm not surprised, I just think it is wrong and undermines the concept of one vote, one value in our Westminster system.

Guessing that the whole Ecuador thing is false bait. Probably misdirection. But not a bad country in which to live a very rich life.

The Russians have made their point, Putin is enjoying a laugh, and now, I think, they want him out of their hair. The problem is negotiating a final destination. It's looking like the Wikileaks people have developed some real sophistication at international diplomacy, and it looks from here that they are driving events.

Venezuela, Iceland, Switzerland.

The US government now seems so furious as to verge on being out of control on the issue of this man. The language they are using - concerning a man under federal indictment and supposedly in line to have a trial some day - is simply unprecedented. President Obama didn't hesitate to address it in his press conferences - the tradition, even with Nixon, was not to comment on pending criminal cases. (That seems to have gone out the window about the time that the Patriot Act became law.) They thought it was all figured out, to nail him in the wee hours of Sunday, but he'd been tipped off and flew the coop. They simply aren't used to this and they aren't used to being made to look like fools for all the world to see. There may be some desperate missteps, but one thing seems certain - that Mr. Snowden has sharply reduced the risk that he will be assassinated - he's just too high visibility for that now. Seldom in history does so much hinge on just one man.

Meanwhile, what's going on with Bradley Manning's court martial? My hunch is that what the government did to Manning is an important part of the backstory on Snowden's actions. You will recall that some of the charges against Manning were dismissed by a courageous military judge because of improper "command influence" - namely, the President commenting on this trial. That's entirely unprecedented in US military history - you will recall I served in the JAG Corps for four years.

The whole thing really is spinning out of the power of the administration to control. The usual media partners are not enough to contain the story and assassinate Snowden's character, and now they appear to be trying too hard; the criticism has become vitriolic. The expected casualty of all of this is most likely big chunks of the Patriot Act itself. I won't mourn for it!

Well put - You do realize you are on GFY?..

Maturation level is contradictory, stupid.

It is not.

maturation

? n
1. the process of maturing or ripening



maturity

noun
1.
the state of being mature; ripeness:

Snowden and Manning broke their sworn oaths...which does not make them heroes...but does...at the least...make them criminals and at the worse make them traitors.

it all depends on your point of view as to the laws they are breaking.

like when king george III made american colonists criminals because they refused to quarter british soldiers. After all, it was the law. who cares if the law is legal or moral right?

by this logic our founding fathers are criminals & traitors. We should return the USA to the british ASAP.

Report in stupid.

Traitors to who? Your freedom?

Stupid for duty sire

Can you point out which of the founding fathers took "sworn oaths" to the British ...because off hand I cannot recall any.

Traitors to the country/government/employer to which they made a sworn oath.

all colonists were legal subjects of the royal crown. They did not need to swear an oath as they were born subject to british law. Thats why there was a revolution...

The declaration of independence is a laundry list of british laws & practices the americans found to be illegal. just like snowden supporters find PRISM & the patriot act to be illegal.

I am trying to wrap my head around that comment. You are suggesting that someone is not violating a law if he and someone else feels it is justified?

And as I recall our history books, the British saw our founding fathers as criminals.

Are you putting Snowden in their category?

All Americans are legal citizens/subjects of the American government and do not have the need to swear an oath...unless they take employment that requires a sworn oath.

What does anything that you have stated up to this point in time have to do with breaking their sworn oaths...which is what Snowden and Manning did...and which is my point.

sorry. i did not make it clear enough.

snowden is considered a hero for breaking laws he considers illegal. AKA breaking his oath to expose a surveillence program he considers illegal.

if one thinks his actions were the right thing, for exposing abuse of power, he is a hero. if you think his oath is protecting legitimate conduct, you think he is a traitor.

the american colonists were british citizens before 1776, & broke british laws they deemed to be illegal. The boston tea party was a rejection of the stamp act. this is a well known example of this revolt against a british law.

you are saying snowden broke the law. but you say nothing as to whether he was doing the right thing. By analogy, this suggests you find the propriety of a law irrelevant, & by that logic, our founding fathers are criminals for breaking british law.

basically what im saying is you are benedict arnold & you dont even know it.

The U.S. government is composed of the Legislative branch and the Executive branch which enact laws. The Judicial branch decides what laws...those two branches enact...are legal or illegal. The people of America have provided these branches of government with that power. All three branches of government have agreed that Prism and the Patriot act are currently legal...although on several occasions since the original Patriot act was enacted the Supreme Court has knocked parts of it down.

Snowden and Manning do not get to decide what is legal or illegal...they both made sworn oaths and they both violated their oaths.

Pig shits drastically lowers the median iq here given he is so stupid :thumbsup

as you are in california, i'm sure you are well versed as to the opinion of californians to federal anti marijuana laws.

Every pot seller in cali...are they law breakers or citizens exercising revolt against an illegal federal intrusion on their conduct?

I am not saying that Snowden and Manning simply broke the law...they broke a "sworn oath" which is more than breaking a mere law.

BTW...your Benedict Arnold analogy does not apply to me at all but does apply to Snowden and Manning.