Then I guess everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over nothing.

here is something new for you to ignore today:

http://www.nationofchange.org/fbi-kn...ing-1372427453

[DELETED] planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles. (Note: protests continued throughout the weekend with approximately 6000 persons in NYC. ?Occupy Wall Street? protests have spread to about half of all states in the US, over a dozen European and Asian cities, including protests in Cleveland (10/6-8/11) at Willard Park which was initially attended by hundreds of protesters.)

and here is the FBI confirming this:

On 13 October 2011, writer sent via email an excerpt from the daily [DELETED] regarding FBI Houston?s [DELETED] to all IAs, SSRAs and SSA [DELETED] This [DELETED] identified the exploitation of the Occupy Movement by [LENGTHY DELETION] interested in developing a long-term plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire.

a bit strange how he is in hong kong now moscow, possibly back to the united states. i mean, imagine the situation he was in in hong ko... i am alone, in a big city i don't know, there are police and god knows who else undercover on my case in a city they know much better than me, and i am out here unprotected with no disguises or anything else to defend myself it is just no wonder he got caught.

mind you if he is smart he would have had all of this arranged before he executed the leak. he would have his own hand over to the chinese or now, russians, already organised.

yeah he has a girlfriend somebody told me she is chinese i saw the pictures wow she is hot.

No one has suggested he is in the US. In fact, I was watching a report today from a guy that was in the transit hotel at the airport, using the video on his cell phone. He said it was apparent the Russians were looking for an American and they want him out so they can "go back to bed."

And... Did anyone get shot? Nope. Did anyone's rights get trampled on? Nope. Was a crime committied? Nope.

Don't be stupid here. Law enforcement should only act if they believe action is needed. Seems like in this case law enforcement did not believe the threat and was... surprise.... Correct in their judgement.

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incredible.

Yes...you are.

?If he likes to stay here there is one condition: he should cease his work aimed at damaging our American partners. No matter how strange it will sound from me," Putin told reporters


:upsidedow

:warning

:helpme

Nothing new too me in here. I always told that Putin works for so-called West. His money is there. Is businesses are there. At least his daughters live there. The one must be a crazy idiot to trust him :2 cents:

it's funny because of the blatant flip-flop from a few days ago where putin went on about how he wished snowden would make up his mind and move on out of russia.

His a clown.

is that the general view of him in russia?

I can't say for the whole Russia. There is a democracy (i.e. everybody has his/her own point of view). Me and all my relatives/friends don't like him and have never voted for him. However I know many people especially rednecks and religion maniacs in low-educated villages do support him. Their votes do count equivalent to ours (yes, we have a direct election system unlike the USA :2 cents:) so I have no clue about his overall support in the whole country, but I guess it's about 40..50% or so.

As we say here, Moscow is not Russia and Russia is not Moscow. It's like to compare NYC or LA with the real one-storied America.

P.S. I've been to both and I know the difference :2 cents:

i found this very amusing...

and yeah, Putin is an undercover capitalist, in his time as KGB officer in Eastern Germany he sold KGB vehicles to private people for profit :winkwink:

i happen to know cause i met someone who bought a car from him :upsidedow

gotcha, i was curious as to the approval rating of putin.

all votes count the same here. i think you are thinking of the electoral college.

it's pretty crazy how he's kept himself in a power position throughout all the changes, perostroika up to now. any ideas to his net worth? he had to cash in when the union split up eh.

Nope. Gore got more votes than Bush Jr, but we all know who has become a president. Should I explain why that was possible or you know it already as I hope?

Once again there is no direct election system in the USA.

Snowden didn't think this out too well. It's stunning that he thought he jet set around on someone else's dime without understanding that the US would kill his passport.

Not too bright.

of course i know that.

that's not what you implied earlier and that's what i was replying to.

everybody's vote here counts the same as everybody else's. that has nothing to do with the electoral college and how the election process works.

Like Scott said, you are not allowing for the Electoral College.

this implies that you think rednecks or religious maniacs vote is less than a non-redneck here, that's not the case.

the electoral college has worked pretty well, but not perfectly. I understand when it was developed it was a far better option that the alternative, which would have been to allow only members of Congress to vote.... but i think we are at a point where it is time for the U.S. to have a direct popular vote.

the two main political parties have been around for decades, so you would still have just 2 main candidates, its is super easy for the entire nation to hear every word a politician says on the campaign trail, and technology is where the votes can be easily tallied on a national level.

just my opinion, but i dont see any reason to risk having another instance where the popular vote and the actual results do not line up. i think its happened just three times ever, and before Bush it was in the late 1800's, but still that is 3 times too many, and the third one really cost the country imo

I see what you men but still. There are states with a very different states of education. E.g. NY vs Kansas. So if we will sum up all the voices directly (one voice per a citizen) for a whole country (not for states), we'll get a way different result.

E.g. Let's consider that 65% citizens of Kansas have voted for Bush Jr, it will be considered that the whole state has voted for him (i.e. 100%). But wait, where are those 35% that gave their voices to Gore? This is not fair.

Wow . . . just because they don't agree with your politics they are too uneducated to vote? Is this a typical Russian attitude?

I didn't say who agree "to my politics" and who is not. Keep your fantasies to yourself.

furthermore, it's how it's done in the states by this mouth breathers cop buddies

oops

i mean 'cop arch nemesis'

You are said that the reason people in KS vote differently than those in NY is because of their education.

you 2 fucking retards can't even stay focused on talking shit about america. snowden's not enough, now it's about the electoral fucking college and gfyer's supporting electoral college cop buddies.

i mean, wtf. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

if you 2 could only see yourselves.

He knew exactly what he was doing. He is even quoted as saying he knew the USA would revoke his passport immediately, and that he knew he was lucky to have even made it out of the country. He had to alert them of any international travel in advance and didn't do so.

I can't believe you guys still think this guy is some idiot blindly wondering around the world and lucking into offers from Ecuador, Russia, and Germany for asylum.

i can't believe you think this is all a master plan. besides, he doesn't have any offers for asylum from anywhere. reuters is reporting the exact opposite.

was that part of the plan too?

No plan, yet he has still evaded being arrested by the most powerful nation in the world who has FBI agents in Hong Kong yet they were unable to detain him even though that had the authority to do so. He then he violated Russia transit visa, yet he has yet to be arrested by anyone there either. All of this is quite an accomplishment for someone who's winging it. Beginners luck?

I forgot to add, none of us have ANY idea what his end game is and who's even playing the game.

The spy business is always smoke and mirrors. Whatever is put out in the media right now on either side is probably put there for a reason.

absolutely beginner's luck, he is a beginner. he's not a veteran, he was a snoop for 3 months. there are no classes on how to be a nsa leaker, besides, it's very clear to me he didn't even research previous nsa leaks.

moreiver, he is very lcuky due to animosity towards usa, hong kong, as you pointed out, prides itself on having a better system than china, based on that system, they decided the extradition request was invalid, not to mention this is an opp to snub usa.

russia, exactly the same.

You didn't get it again. I said that the education level of KS and NY is different. So the majority in these states will probably vote for different candidates. Your system turns the majority into 100% of votes and simple "forgets" about the minority which could have a serious %. This is why the indirect (you call "electoral college") voting system sucks a big time and does not represent the real situation.

you have no idea what you're talking about 90% of the time, eh?

again, you let me know when you are through being upset and we can stop this sort of silliness. honestly, i'd rather not bother having to get sidetracked with you.

Just admit that besides it having nothing to do with you, you do not have a clue. :2 cents:

i can see how that be a problem

99 problems but a richard aint' 1

again, you let me know and we can try and act like adults.