Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Shap would be better to answer that question, if he's still around/interested.

But I would suspect there comes a point where the surfer is turned on "enough" to want to see more and join but what that point is I don't know.

Originally Posted by fuzebox

As a frequent masturbator, tubes just don't do it for me. The quality isn't there, and navigating them is frustrating. A quality paysite is still very much relevant.

Originally Posted by georgeyw

@ OP :
800 sales you say and you have a pop for playboy on - massagerooms.com

Originally Posted by Robbie

Weird thing is...he said he's getting $10,000 a month for that popup to Playboy on massagerooms.com

But massagerooms.com has negligible traffic numbers. (alexa 306,441)

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Playboy popunders and MA promos nets me $10k a month payout

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Where did he say they were for popups on massagerooms.com?..

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Oh, and yes, I do popunders on my sites, brings me in $10k a month and pays the mortgage

Originally Posted by Robbie

That would be right here in response to Peabody talking about the Playboy pop up on massagerooms.com :

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Right, but I think he means over all sites. If not, I have some traffic to sell..
No offense or anything, just asking.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Weird thing is...he said he's getting $10,000 a month for that popup to Playboy on massagerooms.com

But massagerooms.com has negligible traffic numbers. (alexa 306,441)

If he's getting 10 grand from Fabian for that (since Manwin manages Playboy online)...then I'd say: "Hey Fabian...Claudia Marie's site gets a lot more traffic (and more high quality too) than that. I'll do a Playboy pop up for $50,000."

No disrespect meant to Ruseful, I think the site looks great. But if the going price for a pop up on a site that might get a couple of thousand uniques a day of tube traffic is $10,000...then I need to be making serious bank with a pop up from my site which gets 10 times that traffic organically.

Of course...Ruseful probably has that popup across his entire network of pay sites. In which case they probably all combined get about the same traffic as I do.

So Fabian...write me either a $50 grand or $10 grand check according to those numbers and I'll get that pop up running for you ASAP.

Originally Posted by seeandsee

if numbers are real, what to say one BIG CONGRATS based on assumption how much free porn is on tubes

Originally Posted by Ruseful

I actually like your business method and how you are looking to do JudoPorn. I participated in a "similar" concept last year where I gave them my full HD scenes from one of my brands. The sales ratio was very good, and retention was great, however, you are only as successful as your traffic. And like I, if you dont see the $$$ coming as quickly as you hoped, then as a studio, you simply give up and move on to other concepts that you hope will bring revenues quicker for the same effort. If you get the first studio partners working with you until and dedicated to the cause, and then shout about the $$$, then you may just have a winner on your hands. And believe me, if you get that studio to work with you, and you make a success of it, the floodgates will open. If its a proven concept, you'll have my 10 brands knocking on your door. This is actually what happened with the YouPorn CPP. Naughty America and CD Girls were our "proof of concept". That was march 2007. April 2007, the flood gates opened, and that was that. Maybe you would be interested in me being one of the founding studios on JudoPorn?

On that note, I wanted to quantify what I wrote in a previous thread about the revenues a tube generates from a CPP program which may have been misinterpreted. The revenues from a CPP are significant to the bottom line, but are not in the top 3 of revenues generated by a tube. But they are significant. And you see this by just how many content owners are uploading to the tubes on a daily basis to get those aff revenues and direct type in sales.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, I think he means all his paysites too.

But again...if he's getting 10 grand for that over his network of sites with tube traffic sources, then yeah! I need to be getting a check from Fabian for double that and I'll get my Playboy popunders up immediately.

And I don't mean any disrespect at all to Ruseful. He's kicking ass.

I do mean disrespect for Fabian though. lol

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I think he said 600,000 hits network-wide so about 60k per site.

So doing that kind of math (if correct) then it would be easy to do $2,500 a week with those numbers. IN FACT:

If I got 60k hits a day to even one of my biggest sites I, too, would be doing these kinds of numbers. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by Robbie

(by the way...does this mean that Manwin now does business with .XXX sites after all?)

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Thanks Shap!

You keeping well?

Originally Posted by tony286

.” Manwin, in fact, has studied the question of optimal clip length. “We tested one minute, three minutes, five minutes,” Antoon says. “The best converting for the content owner is three minutes. The best for the tube sites—for the surfer to come back and back—is five minutes. So we always ask for three to five. We don’t mind if they send us seven to nine.”

http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/index5.html

Originally Posted by tony286

.? Manwin, in fact, has studied the question of optimal clip length. ?We tested one minute, three minutes, five minutes,? Antoon says. ?The best converting for the content owner is three minutes. The best for the tube sites?for the surfer to come back and back?is five minutes. So we always ask for three to five. We don?t mind if they send us seven to nine.?

http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/index5.html

Originally Posted by Nathan

just because Mike South invents some 'news' does not make it true.

..

Originally Posted by Robbie

Looks like his casting.xxx and orgasms.xxx are around 40,000 to 50,000 hits a day each from guesstimating the traffic from alexa ranking (just guessing from my own numbers past and present).

Still...ten grand for that kind of traffic for a pop under???

Hell, I'll give Fabian a real honest to god static link for that.

Milk him Ruseful! Milk him dry baby! heh-heh

(by the way...does this mean that Manwin now does business with .XXX sites after all?)

Originally Posted by Shap

You bet And Love logging on and seeing people like you still crushing it

Originally Posted by tony286

.? Manwin, in fact, has studied the question of optimal clip length. ?We tested one minute, three minutes, five minutes,? Antoon says. ?The best converting for the content owner is three minutes. The best for the tube sites?for the surfer to come back and back?is five minutes. So we always ask for three to five. We don?t mind if they send us seven to nine.?

http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/index5.html

Originally Posted by gabe100

It's extremely hard to keep remote people motivated and happy and focused. On top of that, managing production ( with new/anon girls it appears... very hard to do ) and post production and marketing and blowing it all up to 15k members during a recession. And scaling fast to meet demand.

Ignore the trolls JT. Keeping kicking ass. Nice seeing it can still be done. LOL @ being offered design tips...

Candidly, i promoted FA and it just did nothing for me. Will consider doing it again if you open up the network for a set price.

Originally Posted by Ruseful

I only do the pop under on my .coms, NOT on the .xxx sites.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Oh man from your lips (or keyboard) to God's ears.....LOL
IF that happens I will promise you this: it will NOT be because of a "tube-only" strategy.

I said this from the beginning and I reiterate it now: tubes "work" for some and for others do more harm than good. Regardless, in 2012 and beyond, tubes should be a part of your marketing strategy.*

*Unless you're purely an affiliate; submitting to tubes will not help you (generally).

Originally Posted by wetvibes

Way to many complicated point of views here about submitting or not < 10 mins or full vids on the tubes. In fact, to see if JT is right or not about this is enough to take a look at the most popular paysites of the moment: x-art, passion-hd, orgasms.xxx, babes.com, joymii and so on - they all submit 6 min to full vids on tubes for free and the most important thing you get from this is brand exposure wich will let every surfer know that you exist and sell something.

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Agreed, never ever really found tubes that great, plus I love to download the videos personally(highest quality) and go back to them later.

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@ OP :
800 sales you say and you have a pop for playboy on - massagerooms.com

Originally Posted by Robbie

Weird thing is...he said he's getting $10,000 a month for that popup to Playboy on massagerooms.com

But massagerooms.com has negligible traffic numbers. (alexa 306,441)

If he's getting 10 grand from Fabian for that (since Manwin manages Playboy online)...then I'd say: "Hey Fabian...Claudia Marie's site gets a lot more traffic (and more high quality too) than that. I'll do a Playboy pop up for $50,000."

No disrespect meant to Ruseful, I think the site looks great. But if the going price for a pop up on a site that might get a couple of thousand uniques a day of tube traffic is $10,000...then I need to be making serious bank with a pop up from my site which gets 10 times that traffic organically.

Of course...Ruseful probably has that popup across his entire network of pay sites. In which case they probably all combined get about the same traffic as I do.

So Fabian...write me either a $50 grand or $10 grand check according to those numbers and I'll get that pop up running for you ASAP.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, I think he means all his paysites too.

But again...if he's getting 10 grand for that over his network of sites with tube traffic sources, then yeah! I need to be getting a check from Fabian for double that and I'll get my Playboy popunders up immediately.

And I don't mean any disrespect at all to Ruseful. He's kicking ass.

I do mean disrespect for Fabian though. lol

Originally Posted by beaner

Well we started *programming* this idea 2 months ago and some change. About 2 weeks or so ago started reaching out to programs and getting them on board. And they are signing up. I had 2 videos on this site when I started talking with programs. I can't populate the site like a free tube, generate the traffic, then convert it over. Doesn't work like that. I'm selling the idea and that has generated a significant amount of interest alone.

The tube model damage is done. I just keep hearing that word... *innovation*, *cutting edge* yada yada. I say youtube, you say youporn (2-05 ... 12-05) ;)

I did find it strange that you downsized the significance of money generated from CPP program as that is why you started the thread. But put aside that 4th, 5th, 6th source of tube revenue... what does it need?

CONTENT. A tube needs content. That content is more valuable then the affiliate sale back to program. Without the updates, it will lose surfers, revenue, etc. The model does not revolve around *content* sales, but 100% needs it to sustain. Funny how a model revolves around the need for something, yet, it doesn't give a shit about the ones who own it as that is not where the money is. No matter what position it holds in the chain of revenue... it's not the first, second nor third

So, we agree to disagree. Just call it that.

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

Congrats JT for the new project and the sales ! Top #10 before the end of next week ?

And i do think also that the +10 min vids are very good to convert, and also, if the tube doesn't take an affiliate commission it make more sense...you give them good content, they will earn enough from the ads revenue. Maybe for a company without a lot of content or very specific niches it will not worth to do it and they will be better to just make small promo clips to not loose too much sales..and have a member zone with content that you cant find everywhere

BTW i dont really agree with you NewNick (about the OP not helping and negative impact), but i understand your point of view, but i dont see that much bad thing about this topic. This board is full of different peoples, and this topic can help webmasters, content owner and other people. As an affiliate, you can do some tube upload, with whitelabel/cobrand and do money out of it, even if you dont have your content.

Having succes story message like this should be giving some positive and some ideas about how to earn extra revenues... Why not hire some remote/inhouse staff to do it if you dont have time and it seem to works fine, we do it and we easily pay the 2 salary of our uploaders. Yes a team is better, but i believe it s possible on small scale too.

And JT you have the right to be happy and proud of your success, yes the industry is getting harder, but like i said "success story" could be inspiring to some people. Its kind of true that the more the big companies take big piece of the pie, the harder it will be for very small worker/affiliate, but its the same in all industry, ex Wallmart vs a little unique shop.

But sometime small is beautiful too, i know some solo guys that does tons of $$$, efficient one man army.

And if not, why not try to grow/expand, you dont need a lot of money to do it, you need guts/ideas/hard working /studying etc etc,,, talk to NIck when he started Crakmedia, he had nothing, no $$ , but big dreams/hope, a good self confidence and he have +60 employees.. so everything possible. And thats why at Crakmedia we always take time to talk with our affiliates and give them advice and try to help, we know its not easy BUT its possible to do good money, and we will continue to share some knowledge, tutorials etc, for the affiliates that join Crakrevenue, that was the purpose, share and grow together, win/win.


Good luck to all !!!



And welcome back Fabian

Originally Posted by Robbie

Which of your dot com paysites have a lot of traffic?

I'm just wondering because I'd like to compare traffic stats and see if my buddy Fabian could be sending me some money too.

Originally Posted by fuzebox

As a frequent masturbator, tubes just don't do it for me. The quality isn't there, and navigating them is frustrating. A quality paysite is still very much relevant.

Originally Posted by Nathan

I was in Berlin at an exclusive startup / internet / VC meeting on thursday and it got me to thinking and actually to discuss with my brother about a few things... it kinda fits here so I thought I would share...

A lot of startups today take the internet and use it for something that already existed before but makes it easier, more efficient, and cheaper for the user of the service. If it works, it also makes it very hard for the 'old' model to compete against it. It means there is less money made overall in the vertical but it also means that the people that still make money are making a lot more than individual players did before. So the people that do the 'innovation' do not care, since they are very happy. It is the others, the old people in that market, that care, since they lose out.

For example the online ad space. The amount of money spent per ad by advertisers online, is a JOKE compared to TV. The total amount of money made by online TV services is also a joke compared to the rest of the TV/Hollywood sector. If the development would continue as it does right now, at some point, hollywood would not make enough money anymore to create content, which would result in online to break too.

But obviously this is not going to happen. Why is that? Because it never happened in the past. Sure, industries died, but its not because they were wanted but made no more money, it was because people were not interested in them anymore.

Innovation also always had the effect that the internet has had the past 10 years. Just think of the industrial revolution. I bet there were a TON of people pissed off at the new industrial companies building big factories, looking evil to them. But today, nobody cares much anymore. It was a necessary evil to growth of mankind.

I see the development of the adult industry similar. 'Free' is a typical thing online. It has shaped what online is and does. And it works. Why does it work? Because there are fewer companies today, that make a lot more money than the many more single companies did before. And I am talking profits, not revenue. Who in the end cares about revenue?

People might not like how it got to this point, but this is where we are. Haters existed always in every 'revolution', and the internet revolution will not be different. They also usually changed the way people thought about certain rules and laws or at least made certain laws develop into new iterations. I know why DMCA exists, and it makes sense to me. We will see how it gets changed in the years to come, but this is part of progress, and of course not everybody likes it, but we all have to live with it, so make the best out of it you can. That's how I see it.

BTW, I disagree with NewNick, this board is NOT an affiliate board, it is an industry board. There just are 10 or so people on this board that ARE affiliates that are VERY vocal when it comes to tube sites. And this thread shows it yet again, it is the same exact people complaining as always. But you also find quite a few people with positive remarks, and people not posting a lot at that.

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

Congrats JT for the new project and the sales ! Top #10 before the end of next week ?


BTW i dont really agree with you NewNick (about the OP not helping and negative impact), but i understand your point of view, but i dont see that much bad thing about this topic. This board is full of different peoples, and this topic can help webmasters, content owner and other people. As an affiliate, you can do some tube upload, with whitelabel/cobrand and do money out of it, even if you dont have your content.



And welcome back Fabian

Originally Posted by Ruseful

But as Biggy mentioned in a different thread, there is a whole new ecosystem there for us content owners, if you just thought about it for a while. But you need the shills and technology of a company like xtakedowns.com to achieve this (I am not a broker nor affiliate for them btw, just telling you where I am getting the best success with my DMCA campaigns right now)

Originally Posted by bazzadave

Thanks for your comments... and always glad to protect your content!

It is our goal and responsibility to ensure your content is free from piracy as much as possible. Once this is achieved you will see the best ROI.

If any content owners are interested in testing our services we would be happy to provide you with a report on your content and more information about our service... We can provide you with complementary batch of infringing links and if you want we can also issue takedown requests for them, just to show you the effectiveness of our service.

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I like the content. Over the past few days ive wanked to several videos. Great quality. And never once felt the urge to check the pay site. Dont need to. Why? As longs as ruseful uploads I am happy. Long videos in good supply. It would never occur to me to visit site.

Originally Posted by DWB

A tube thread ain't a party until Fabian shows up. Welcome back hoss.

Regarding Ruseful's numbers... good for him! He's putting up clips of his own content so it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about tubes being good or bad, or if his claims are true or false, as it is his content to decide where it goes and how long the clips are. Everyone should test their own video lengths and see what works best for them. Personally, I think 10 mins is about 7 minutes too long, but if that works for him, rock on!

Originally Posted by Nathan

The biz changed, and you can not all blame me, that's too easy!

Originally Posted by Nathan

The reason why the affiliate model died somewhat is also because companies realiazed they can optimize things better if they control more. The more affiliates work with our managers, the better they perform, because we can help them! But they can not expect miracles from just pushing 1000 FHG links into some gallery app and let it sit there. As JT said, work with our guys, he posted a good contact for PB plus for example, I am sure if Robbie actually contacted them he would like the results, so lets see if he reports about it in a couple of weeks...

Originally Posted by Nathan

Signupdamnit,

There is a policy, but it is a bit more complicated, I am not sure on the details myself. I think it is 3 strikes though not all content is taken down right away, it depends a bit on other factors, like if an account uploaded 100 videos over a 12 month period, and 3 get dmca'd over that time he might be banned but content is not removed. The logic there simply is that in our opinion, the likeliness that this was for example an affiliate uploading tube videos from programs and got caught by mistake in a bigger dmca hit by one of those programs is too high.

If someone blatantly uses stolen content he usually gets hit by dmca quickly, is blocked fast and does not even get many videos up, so they are all removed then too.

But again, these are details we do not publish on purpose since it would mean people exploiting tubes could easier get around dmca stuff...

Originally Posted by The Dawg

The join pages on massageroom/nats/ are linked incorrectly. Credit card option goes to join.php

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Thanks Dawg, I have sent it on to my devs to take a look at it.