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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody
Oh man from your lips (or keyboard) to God's ears.....LOL
IF that happens I will promise you this: it will NOT be because of a "tube-only" strategy.
I said this from the beginning and I reiterate it now: tubes "work" for some and for others do more harm than good. Regardless, in 2012 and beyond, tubes should be a part of your marketing strategy.*
*Unless you're purely an affiliate; submitting to tubes will not help you (generally).
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I only had a tube strategy when I launched my first site. I knew I would make the money needed to launch new sites. As and when the money was made, I then launched another site and took on more staff. Then, when there was more free cash, I launched another site and continued from there. We have 10 sites now, and production has started on 7 more that will all launch in the next 6 months. I have only brought on staff as the company could afford to do so, and built the departments that were necessary.
I brought in an Affiliate manager in Oct 2012 and hoped he would balance the scales between my reliance on tubes (currently 90%) and affiliate revenues, but he simply did not work out. Thats why I am looking for an aff manager. I have a huge salary and huge commission incentives waiting for the right guy!
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Originally Posted by wetvibes
Way to many complicated point of views here about submitting or not < 10 mins or full vids on the tubes. In fact, to see if JT is right or not about this is enough to take a look at the most popular paysites of the moment: x-art, passion-hd, orgasms.xxx, babes.com, joymii and so on - they all submit 6 min to full vids on tubes for free and the most important thing you get from this is brand exposure wich will let every surfer know that you exist and sell something.
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Orgasms.xxx is one of my sites (its the .xxx version of DaneJones.com), so thanks for the compliment!
And you are correct about brand exposure. What the tubes give you is free access to their millions of users per day. It gives you the opportunity to build your own brand in their huge porn mall. (its in my guide https://content.porntube.com )
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Originally Posted by georgeyw
Agreed, never ever really found tubes that great, plus I love to download the videos personally(highest quality) and go back to them later.
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@ OP :
800 sales you say and you have a pop for playboy on - massagerooms.com
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Its accross my whole .com network. You should reach out to sean.ober at {playboyplus} com. Thats all I did. I started the pops end of feb and I am actually making an average of 12 x PPS sales a day on the pops. This is on my exit traffic.
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Originally Posted by Robbie
Weird thing is...he said he's getting $10,000 a month for that popup to Playboy on massagerooms.com
But massagerooms.com has negligible traffic numbers. (alexa 306,441)
If he's getting 10 grand from Fabian for that (since Manwin manages Playboy online)...then I'd say: "Hey Fabian...Claudia Marie's site gets a lot more traffic (and more high quality too) than that. I'll do a Playboy pop up for $50,000."
No disrespect meant to Ruseful, I think the site looks great. But if the going price for a pop up on a site that might get a couple of thousand uniques a day of tube traffic is $10,000...then I need to be making serious bank with a pop up from my site which gets 10 times that traffic organically.
Of course...Ruseful probably has that popup across his entire network of pay sites. In which case they probably all combined get about the same traffic as I do.
So Fabian...write me either a $50 grand or $10 grand check according to those numbers and I'll get that pop up running for you ASAP.  |
Reach out to the guys at PlayBoy and Im sure they will do a test on you traffic, thats all I did. I want in a rush for the money, so didnt ask about a prepay deal, but im sure they exist. And why did I choose Playboy? I actually think it gives my brands credibility being associated with such an iconic brand.
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Originally Posted by Robbie
Yeah, I think he means all his paysites too. 
But again...if he's getting 10 grand for that over his network of sites with tube traffic sources, then yeah! I need to be getting a check from Fabian for double that and I'll get my Playboy popunders up immediately.
And I don't mean any disrespect at all to Ruseful. He's kicking ass.
I do mean disrespect for Fabian though. lol |
I also make really good money from all of the Manwin owned brands in my friends area, alongside other brands like Nubiles etc etc so they dont have a 100% hold on me by any means. But I can imagine that you think I am kissing Fabians ass but in truth, the reason I like dealing with Manwin is because of the staff members they have looking after each of their properties. No matter what I ask (and I can be really thick sometimes), they all take the time to make sure I understand, and they go out of their way to get me what I need. I can tell you, I have tried dealing with other companies and their reps, and not all of them are that helpful.
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Originally Posted by beaner
Well we started *programming* this idea 2 months ago and some change. About 2 weeks or so ago started reaching out to programs and getting them on board. And they are signing up. I had 2 videos on this site when I started talking with programs. I can't populate the site like a free tube, generate the traffic, then convert it over. Doesn't work like that. I'm selling the idea and that has generated a significant amount of interest alone.
The tube model damage is done. I just keep hearing that word... *innovation*, *cutting edge* yada yada. I say youtube, you say youporn (2-05 ... 12-05) ;)
I did find it strange that you downsized the significance of money generated from CPP program as that is why you started the thread. But put aside that 4th, 5th, 6th source of tube revenue... what does it need?
CONTENT. A tube needs content. That content is more valuable then the affiliate sale back to program. Without the updates, it will lose surfers, revenue, etc. The model does not revolve around *content* sales, but 100% needs it to sustain. Funny how a model revolves around the need for something, yet, it doesn't give a shit about the ones who own it as that is not where the money is. No matter what position it holds in the chain of revenue... it's not the first, second nor third 
So, we agree to disagree. Just call it that. |
Hey Beaner, I didn't downsize the CPP revenues, its an important revenue to the tubes, but just not in the top 3 of biggest revenue generated by the tubes.
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Originally Posted by Axel_Crak
Congrats JT for the new project and the sales ! Top #10 before the end of next week ?
And i do think also that the +10 min vids are very good to convert, and also, if the tube doesn't take an affiliate commission it make more sense...you give them good content, they will earn enough from the ads revenue. Maybe for a company without a lot of content or very specific niches it will not worth to do it and they will be better to just make small promo clips to not loose too much sales..and have a member zone with content that you cant find everywhere
BTW i dont really agree with you NewNick (about the OP not helping and negative impact), but i understand your point of view, but i dont see that much bad thing about this topic. This board is full of different peoples, and this topic can help webmasters, content owner and other people. As an affiliate, you can do some tube upload, with whitelabel/cobrand and do money out of it, even if you dont have your content.
Having succes story message like this should be giving some positive and some ideas about how to earn extra revenues... Why not hire some remote/inhouse staff to do it if you dont have time and it seem to works fine, we do it and we easily pay the 2 salary of our uploaders. Yes a team is better, but i believe it s possible on small scale too.
And JT you have the right to be happy and proud of your success, yes the industry is getting harder, but like i said "success story" could be inspiring to some people. Its kind of true that the more the big companies take big piece of the pie, the harder it will be for very small worker/affiliate, but its the same in all industry, ex Wallmart vs a little unique shop.
But sometime small is beautiful too, i know some solo guys that does tons of $$$, efficient one man army.
And if not, why not try to grow/expand, you dont need a lot of money to do it, you need guts/ideas/hard working /studying etc etc,,, talk to NIck when he started Crakmedia, he had nothing, no $$ , but big dreams/hope, a good self confidence and he have +60 employees.. so everything possible. And thats why at Crakmedia we always take time to talk with our affiliates and give them advice and try to help, we know its not easy BUT its possible to do good money, and we will continue to share some knowledge, tutorials etc, for the affiliates that join Crakrevenue, that was the purpose, share and grow together, win/win.
Good luck to all !!!
And welcome back Fabian |
Thanks Axel!!! And yes, Nick was an inspiration to me and gave me the confidence to believe in what I knew I could do with my data. I believed in his growth plan too, be self sufficient and grow as you can afford it. |