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Old 03-09-2013, 02:12 PM  
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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody View Post
Let me get in here with a few comments. But first let me say THIS:

I do LOTS of business with ALL the major tubes and have close friends who work at several of them so i do not want to upset anyone with my comments. HOWEVER I do feel the need to share MY experiences here, and you can all contrast them with the OP's claims.

First, about the OP: Doing some simple math, shooting 125 scenes per month as you say, would total about what? $100,000 a week in shooting costs? Six scenes per day x 5 scenes = about $20,000 a day x 5 days a week....well, you get the idea. PLUS the OP has 40 employees, owns all these high profit paysites and is a partner in 3 other tube sites....

People, this is a BRO, a major player, with MAJOR financial advantages most of us can never touch. So take all that into consideration here, the amount of the investment, past relationships, etc etc.

NOW: The part the OP leaves out - and the part that honestly drives me NUTS - is that the #1 priority for tubes sites is to SELL ADVERTISING SPACE. Period. Throw in Cams and Dating and, well, paysites are on the bottom rung of the money ladder for the tubes....

NOTHING wrong with that - EXCEPT all this "give us 10+ minute videos" nonsense is just that: nonsense. I did this to ALL major tube sites for close to a year. Know what happend? Sales dropped like a fucking stone. So now? Back to 5 minute clips....

(As a paysite owner I understand that the "sweet spot" in terms of making an actual paysite membership sale is between 3-5 mins. But this does not really help the tubes do their main business: selling ad space. What the tubes need is surfers staying ON THEIR TUBE SITE for as long as possible so they can boost those ad numbers and then make bank selling that ad space to....cams, dating and the occassional paysite.)

So giving them 10+ videos is in THEIR interest, NOT the paysite owner's interest. The OP will now claim that, according to his numbers, paysites that give 10+ min vids have higher views, higher CTR, more sales....so i must be wrong, right? Maybe I am, maybe I'M the only one who did NOT see improvements after giving the tubes what they asked of me....

"But just shoot your scenes differantly, like I do..." yeah, spending thousands and thousands to shoot "tube-specific" clips best for editing on tubes....um, ok. But how many of us can actually do this?

(Actually, I just invested about $50,000 euros filming the new Fellucia Blow so it will be interesting to see how this new HD footage does on the tubes...)

My Tours have some of the best-converting numbers anywhere. in fact, to be honest OP, your new site you brag about so heavily in this thread? Here's what I see:

Bad design
Pop-ups for Playboy? On a PAYSITE? ok....
Lousy, hard-to-read text
Join page a mess
Color scheme horrid

So: HOW are you getting so many sales? Tube vids aside, how does your Tour convert ike you say? Also: a new site, less than a few weeks old, WILL get some play but I expect those numbers to come down over time....

Anyway, regardless of design, numbers, etc, the fact remains that sending tube sites extended clips ONLY helps tube sites. My views did not go up when I sent in 12+ min vids. In fact, my CTR went DOWN, along with sales.

Then i start submitting 5 min clips again and guess WHAT? Sales are better.

So maybe it's just me but I, too, have built my little one-man business (with some outsourced employees) on the tube model, designing my tours specifically for traffic from tubes, diversified my network, etc etc. But unless you have millions - yes, MILLIONS - to invest on all this then the OP's claims are, to be kind, extremely narrowly focused and will apply to only a handful of large companies with the resources to do things the OP's way.

So where does this leave "the rest of us"? Here's my view:

Work with the tubes, work with the various Content Partner Programs, tweak your tours the best you can, edit your videos the best you can....and move on. The 2% of paysites that will do gangbusters with tubes (and I have several such paysites) are not worth trying to re-create unless you have many thousands to start, maintain and grow such a paysite. If you have existing content, or are working with content exclusively from Sponsers, then a tube strategy should be just one of your plans. (If you own a major company then re-structuring your biz along the lines of the OP's claims may work tremendously well for you.)

Be realistic, work hard, if one of your clips or sites goes bananas on a major tube then YOU can come onto GFY and boast about how awesome everything you do is and how we should all follow along.
I think you actually got your math slightly wrong there but yes, I spend around $200k a month shooting new content. But not all of that content is for my sites, I shoot quite a few scenes exclusively for other sites. This is good revenue for me and they know they are getting the best content shot.

I started with 3 guys and invested no where near the millions you say. I launched 2 sites and then only launched new sites, and took on more employees, as the company could afford it. My first site launched August 2011, second in Sept. Then 3rd in Dec 2011, 4th and 5th in Jan/feb 2012 and so on. Every cent is pumped back into the company to grow, and now we are really on a roll.

As for my site designs, they work for me. I have never received one complaint about the text size and I have no issues with the join pages either, nor do the people that hit them and convert. I like the colour scheme. I dont like the green you use, but each to our own hey Oh, and yes, I do popunders on my sites, brings me in $10k a month and pays the mortgage Yep, after the initial hit of new members, sure it will plateaux but not as much as you may think. There are always new users each and every day visiting the tubes. I pretty much guarantee that within a few visits to the tubes, they would have watched one of my clips.

You dont need millions to do what I did. I could have launched on a fraction of the budget, hired cameras instead of buying them, only launching with 1 site instead of 2, but I did decide to make the investment I did. Hell, I could have made the investment to launch with 8 sites, but I was in no rush to build what I knew I could following my tube strategy. The guide I published on how to monetize the tubes, I actually wrote for my original crew and editor. This is before we even picked up a camera. I had a plan, based on the knowledge I had gleaned from running YouPorn, and I stuck to the plan. I have personally helped 100's of content owners make a success with the tubes. Teengfs, BackRoomCastingCouch, Gamma...the list is huge, and believe me, it grows each week.

Your last paragraphs do actually sum up whats wrong with a lot of people in this industry. Its not 2005 anymore, and you do actually have to work a whole lot harder than I imagine you did back then. Want to know what I was doing in 2005? I was a dog breeder in the UK with 21 breeding bitches, and I am from a travelling family, and proud of it.
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