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Mutt · 08-25-2012, 10:15 AM

somebody had it right in saying that this kind of case shouldn't be decided by jury - can't expect the general public to have the ability to decide this type of case.

yes, Samsung copied the Iphone - but it's a fucking cellphone, OMFG the Galaxy has rounded corners and icons with rounded corners, for the rest of time Apple is the only cellphone that can have rounded corners!

I haven't followed the case at all so maybe there's a lot more to it but there should never be a patent on anything like that - who was the first cereal company to put cereal in a square box with an illustration on the front? They need to sue all the other cereal manufacturers, they were first to have a square cornered cardboard box with an illustration on the front.

patent laws are ridiculous.

epitome · 08-25-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

somebody had it right in saying that this kind of case shouldn't be decided by jury - can't expect the general public to have the ability to decide this type of case.

yes, Samsung copied the Iphone - but it's a fucking cellphone, OMFG the Galaxy has rounded corners and icons with rounded corners, for the rest of time Apple is the only cellphone that can have rounded corners!

I haven't followed the case at all so maybe there's a lot more to it but there should never be a patent on anything like that - who was the first cereal company to put cereal in a square box with an illustration on the front? They need to sue all the other cereal manufacturers, they were first to have a square cornered cardboard box with an illustration on the front.

patent laws are ridiculous.

The best part is the jury assigned damages but failed to actually find them guilty of some things. The judge has to round them back up and get them to edit their ruling document so that Samsung is actually found guilty and not just paying Apple money.

roly · 08-25-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

somebody had it right in saying that this kind of case shouldn't be decided by jury - can't expect the general public to have the ability to decide this type of case.

yes, Samsung copied the Iphone - but it's a fucking cellphone, OMFG the Galaxy has rounded corners and icons with rounded corners, for the rest of time Apple is the only cellphone that can have rounded corners!

I haven't followed the case at all so maybe there's a lot more to it but there should never be a patent on anything like that - who was the first cereal company to put cereal in a square box with an illustration on the front? They need to sue all the other cereal manufacturers, they were first to have a square cornered cardboard box with an illustration on the front.

patent laws are ridiculous.

US patents are allowed to be too vague in a lot of cases. And with the big boys buying up just about every ambiguos patent around its stifling innovation of the smaller companies.

The Porn Nerd · 08-25-2012, 10:41 AM

The thing that made Apple cool originally was its' ease of use vs. PC (Microsoft) computers. Click click click click on a PC to do what Apple did with one or two clicks. Plus, Apple seemed/seems more "intuitive" as an operating system, it's easier to learn for a newbie, etc etc.

THEN Apple decided to go to war via design and sleekness vs. market share. What else could they do? They already had what many considered the superior operating system (which they sued Microsoft over let's not forget, a suit that almost broke up Microsoft like Ma Bell was) but because PCs had dominance in the business community Apple had no other way to stay afloat. Artists and musicians preferring Macs would not save the day.

So Apple went for sleek designs and were crawling back to competitiveness when the music industry, as a whole, sucked its' own cock and choked on its' own cum.....

HUH?

Yes. Remember Napster? After the RIAA successfully shut down Napster there was an 18 month window where there were (virtually) no file sharers or MP3's being uploaded every dman place like we have today. I was at the tail end of a fifteen year career in the music biz at that time so I know firsthand what happened.

I (and a few others) suggested the major record companies IMMEDIATELY create online 'record stores' where they could sell their songs and albums via download. Hey, sounds like iTunes, doesn't it?

Record Industry: "We don't want to de-value our product or encourage copying via the digital format. plus, online stores would hurt CD sales."

Then along came iTunes, the iPod and the rest yada yada...

'Twas the iPod that made Apple what it is today.

Mutt · 08-25-2012, 11:03 AM

I read more about the case and thinking about it, Apple deserves the money, but that's the end of the story. They shouldn't be allowed to exclusively 'own' the UI crap they were given patents to.

Here's what a judge or jury should have to ask themselves in cases like this - is it reasonable to assume that whatever is patented would have been developed by somebody else in a reasonable amount of time - pick how long that time frame is.

Patents should be given out to only truly unique innovations that are far ahead of their time, where it's not reasonable to believe that the innovation would have been developed by anybody else other than the patent applicant.

PornMD · 08-25-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Congrats to the winners!

Aka the lawyers for the next decade plus. Let the patent lawsuits fly!

PornMD · 08-25-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Patents should be given out to only truly unique innovations that are far ahead of their time, where it's not reasonable to believe that the innovation would have been developed by anybody else other than the patent applicant.

What concerns me is that there's really very little that's special about Apple's look and GUI. What would stop a company from simply going through and patenting any and every reasonable option for a phone design and GUI? So other companies would either have to pay ridiculous royalties or come up with something ridiculous that would never sell?

This kind of stuff and just the brokenness of the patent system to begin with that is resulting in these ridiculous lawsuits worries me. The lawyers win, everyone else loses. Apple's not going to give their customers any kind of price break because of a nice new inflow of $1 billion. Samsung would however need to raise prices to make their money back more than likely. So consumers who couldn't afford Apple shit will get fucked.

I honestly hope Google with their new Motorola patents rapes Apple just to officially hopefully get the patent system looked into.

Dvae · 08-25-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

patent laws are ridiculous.

Patent laws are ridiculous huh?

Aren't you a content producer, whats so special about your content?
Everybody should have access to it and do whatever we want with it.

2MuchMark · 08-25-2012, 02:39 PM

videobunch · 08-25-2012, 04:28 PM

HTC Has rounded corners. They will be next.

epitome · 08-25-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

Patent laws are ridiculous huh?

Aren't you a content producer, whats so special about your content?
Everybody should have access to it and do whatever we want with it.

That's a copyright. In this case it'd be like him trying to patent a girl lying on her back while getting fucked. If you have a girl do that you have to pay the man.

epitome · 08-25-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

And that is why the fan boys who are slapped with facts always resort to. Sorry your God was a thief just like everyone else is in the technology (or any) business. You may have an original thought or two of your own but you borrow the rest.

helterskelter808 · 08-25-2012, 06:14 PM

It's freaky just how clueless, mindless and programmed Mactards are; archetypal cult behavior.

Fanatical knee-jerk responses when the corporation they buy their consumer products from is criticized (big clue that it hits a nerve), attempts to shut down the criticism, and always a complete inability to cite a single fact to rebut the criticism.

livexxx · 08-25-2012, 06:30 PM

IMHO Samsung has just slam dunked themselves into being the "competitor" to apple

if they can wriggle out of the copycat thing and make themselves look like the aggreived party they have just pawnd HTC. Nokia, rim et al. for less than a billion. Every single product release they do from here on in will be plastered all over the press as a response to apple and analysed in depth. massive PR. It's like the Virgin vs BA PR stunt or the ben and jerry ice cream. classic minnow vs whale (except they aint no minnow)

You can bet there are now millions of punters who now see Samsung phones as direct alternatives to the apple phone, but cheaper and so now cooler. Nokia, RIM and HTC are now relegated to the third division with windows working out how to get in between the two.
Samsung has a revenue of 150 Billion, so providing they can control the backfire they could win. Their PR is in full overdrive making look like the bully apple is stopping them make rectangular phones with rounded corners and they have reached more users now because of this and their upcoming appeal than they could have hoped for.

nico-t · 08-25-2012, 06:37 PM

samsung is unbreakable since the beginning. Apple is expensive, breakable, cannot simply change the battery, and it's being used by hipsters whom i despise. Samsung wins.

nico-t · 08-25-2012, 06:40 PM

In a nutshell: Samsung quality beats Apple quality by miles and miles. That's a fact by the way.

helterskelter808 · 08-25-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by livexxx

IMHO Samsung has just slam dunked themselves into being the "competitor" to apple

You can bet there are now millions of punters who now see Samsung phones as direct alternatives to the apple phone

Samsung already had a bigger market share than Apple.

2MuchMark · 08-25-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

It's freaky just how clueless, mindless and programmed Mactards are; archetypal cult behavior.
.

videobunch · 08-25-2012, 11:22 PM

I think i found some of the Female Jury for this case.

08-25-2012, 10:15 AM	#51
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	somebody had it right in saying that this kind of case shouldn't be decided by jury - can't expect the general public to have the ability to decide this type of case. yes, Samsung copied the Iphone - but it's a fucking cellphone, OMFG the Galaxy has rounded corners and icons with rounded corners, for the rest of time Apple is the only cellphone that can have rounded corners! I haven't followed the case at all so maybe there's a lot more to it but there should never be a patent on anything like that - who was the first cereal company to put cereal in a square box with an illustration on the front? They need to sue all the other cereal manufacturers, they were first to have a square cornered cardboard box with an illustration on the front. patent laws are ridiculous. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

08-25-2012, 10:41 AM	#54
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,569	The thing that made Apple cool originally was its' ease of use vs. PC (Microsoft) computers. Click click click click on a PC to do what Apple did with one or two clicks. Plus, Apple seemed/seems more "intuitive" as an operating system, it's easier to learn for a newbie, etc etc. THEN Apple decided to go to war via design and sleekness vs. market share. What else could they do? They already had what many considered the superior operating system (which they sued Microsoft over let's not forget, a suit that almost broke up Microsoft like Ma Bell was) but because PCs had dominance in the business community Apple had no other way to stay afloat. Artists and musicians preferring Macs would not save the day. So Apple went for sleek designs and were crawling back to competitiveness when the music industry, as a whole, sucked its' own cock and choked on its' own cum..... HUH? Yes. Remember Napster? After the RIAA successfully shut down Napster there was an 18 month window where there were (virtually) no file sharers or MP3's being uploaded every dman place like we have today. I was at the tail end of a fifteen year career in the music biz at that time so I know firsthand what happened. I (and a few others) suggested the major record companies IMMEDIATELY create online 'record stores' where they could sell their songs and albums via download. Hey, sounds like iTunes, doesn't it? Record Industry: "We don't want to de-value our product or encourage copying via the digital format. plus, online stores would hurt CD sales." Then along came iTunes, the iPod and the rest yada yada... 'Twas the iPod that made Apple what it is today. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia Last edited by The Porn Nerd; 08-25-2012 at 10:43 AM..

08-25-2012, 11:03 AM	#55
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I read more about the case and thinking about it, Apple deserves the money, but that's the end of the story. They shouldn't be allowed to exclusively 'own' the UI crap they were given patents to. Here's what a judge or jury should have to ask themselves in cases like this - is it reasonable to assume that whatever is patented would have been developed by somebody else in a reasonable amount of time - pick how long that time frame is. Patents should be given out to only truly unique innovations that are far ahead of their time, where it's not reasonable to believe that the innovation would have been developed by anybody else other than the patent applicant. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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08-25-2012, 04:28 PM	#60
videobunch Largest Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: www.VideoBunch.com Posts: 778	HTC Has rounded corners. They will be next. __________________ Kevin www.VideoBunch.com Email - Kevin @@ Aned .com or Team - videobunch

08-25-2012, 06:14 PM	#63
helterskelter808 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,405	It's freaky just how clueless, mindless and programmed Mactards are; archetypal cult behavior. Fanatical knee-jerk responses when the corporation they buy their consumer products from is criticized (big clue that it hits a nerve), attempts to shut down the criticism, and always a complete inability to cite a single fact to rebut the criticism.

08-25-2012, 06:30 PM	#64
livexxx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,201	IMHO Samsung has just slam dunked themselves into being the "competitor" to apple if they can wriggle out of the copycat thing and make themselves look like the aggreived party they have just pawnd HTC. Nokia, rim et al. for less than a billion. Every single product release they do from here on in will be plastered all over the press as a response to apple and analysed in depth. massive PR. It's like the Virgin vs BA PR stunt or the ben and jerry ice cream. classic minnow vs whale (except they aint no minnow) You can bet there are now millions of punters who now see Samsung phones as direct alternatives to the apple phone, but cheaper and so now cooler. Nokia, RIM and HTC are now relegated to the third division with windows working out how to get in between the two. Samsung has a revenue of 150 Billion, so providing they can control the backfire they could win. Their PR is in full overdrive making look like the bully apple is stopping them make rectangular phones with rounded corners and they have reached more users now because of this and their upcoming appeal than they could have hoped for. __________________ http://www.webcamalerts.com for auto tweets for web cam operators

08-25-2012, 06:37 PM	#65
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	samsung is unbreakable since the beginning. Apple is expensive, breakable, cannot simply change the battery, and it's being used by hipsters whom i despise. Samsung wins.

08-25-2012, 06:40 PM	#66
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	In a nutshell: Samsung quality beats Apple quality by miles and miles. That's a fact by the way.

08-25-2012, 11:22 PM	#69
videobunch Largest Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: www.VideoBunch.com Posts: 778	I think i found some of the Female Jury for this case. __________________ Kevin www.VideoBunch.com Email - Kevin @@ Aned .com or Team - videobunch