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Mutt · 02-11-2003, 12:53 PM

We are talking about the possibility of being charged with possessing and publishing child pornography here. Nobody's going to care a rat's ass about 2257 at that point, what you're going to have to prove is that the model is of legal age.

So you're telling me that as long as some content producer/provider issued me a license with a keeper of records on it that regardless of whether the girl is actually 13 I as a webmaster or just a plain citizen who is now in possession of 100 photos of a 13 year old sucking cock I am in the clear legally? Even if the police can't turn up the person listed as the keeper of records?

maybe you're right.

AaronM · 02-11-2003, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by UncleJimmy

Wanna interpret this for me oh wise one?

(c) Producer means any person, including any individual, corporation, or other organization, who is a primary producer or a secondary producer.

(1) A primary producer is any person who actually films, videotapes, or photographs a visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct.

(2) A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct.

Is it me, or does a secondary producer TOTALLY sound like a description of a webmaster???

hmmmm

Your question was answered in the above thread. A VERY well known Internet attorney even made comment about the laws.

Deal with it.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

I already have. My opinions are based on facts from my previous, my current, and other attorneys that I have seen give talks about these issues at adult trade shows......

Are those the same attorneys that said it was OK to charge undisclosed 'kill fees' even though there was no written contract or discussion of such 'kill fees' before the contract was initiated?

Somehow your attorneys credibility is in question if thats what he advised you to do, or maybe his contract law is not so good?

Pay me back my deposit you scumbag.

UncleJimmy · 02-11-2003, 12:59 PM

Ok, found an interesting article on another board about this.

Still pretty 'grey' in regards to whether or not webmasters as secondary producers are required to maintain, because as the law is written it seems pretty clear, but between a few courts and a few well known internet lawyers, they're opinion seems to differ from the writings of the law MAKERS...

http://www.ynotmasters.com/articles/...tured/517.html

interesting read...

so OK Aaron, I'll try to 'deal with it' thanks for your encouragement

AaronM · 02-11-2003, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
We are talking about the possibility of being charged with possessing and publishing child pornography here. Nobody's going to care a rat's ass about 2257 at that point, what you're going to have to prove is that the model is of legal age.

So you're telling me that as long as some content producer/provider issued me a license with a keeper of records on it that regardless of whether the girl is actually 13 I as a webmaster or just a plain citizen who is now in possession of 100 photos of a 13 year old sucking cock I am in the clear legally? Even if the police can't turn up the person listed as the keeper of records?

maybe you're right.

I know I am right. Let's say that every content provider out there starts to include ID's. This is not a bad idea if the webmasters can be trusted with the info....Anyway...The webmaster can not positively state that the id is valid since they never saw it in the first place. He is not responsible for checking the ORIGINAL documents as a producer is. Since the producer saw the originals and then he made the copies/scans of them, the producer is the only responsible party.

AaronM · 02-11-2003, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rory

Are those the same attorneys that said it was OK to charge undisclosed 'kill fees' even though there was no written contract or discussion of such 'kill fees' before the contract was initiated?

Somehow your attorneys credibility is in question if thats what he advised you to do, or maybe his contract law is not so good?

Pay me back my deposit you scumbag.

LOL.

Excuse me? Shall I dig up the thread where YOU originally suggested that I keep the fees?

That's what I thought. Don't get mad at me because you fucked up. You wanna keep dragging this issue out?

Piss off.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

LOL.

Excuse me? Shall I dig up the thread where YOU originally suggested that I keep the fees?

That's what I thought. Don't get mad at me because you fucked up. You wanna keep dragging this issue out?

Piss off.

Please don't confuse my personal decisions on how and when I decide to collect monies owed to me with contractual obligations, they are two seperate issues. The fact is that there was no mention of any kill fees in any contract so how are you legally justified to not pay me my deposit back in full? Yes I did give you several chances to keep that money , however you have several times decided that you would rather bring these matters to public boards. But make sure you don't confuse contractual obligations and law with payment plans or terms.

You seem so willing to give out your golden legal advice , yet your nothing but a lowlife that spent a customers deposit money at a trade show and then refused to return it.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

LOL.

Excuse me? Shall I dig up the thread where YOU originally suggested that I keep the fees?

That's what I thought. Don't get mad at me because you fucked up. You wanna keep dragging this issue out?

Piss off.

Also as far as dragging this on....... who exactly would be the person who went to my former company after all this stuff went down on GFY claiming I had said who knows what. I never wanted any of this garbage with you Aaron, but I gave you $2000 deposit to shoot content, not spend in Miami. You still haven't returned my full deposit even though I have tried several times to end this matter off public boards (remember the letter you had Sleazy post?). If your not a lowlife crrok then why haven't you returned my deposit? Would you like to make up a new reason such as before like I gave you that money in advance .... or I screwed you somehow so you had to come up with some kill fees or something? Is there a more logical excuse you have come up with yet for why you didn't return my money?

AaronM · 02-11-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Rory

Please don't confuse my personal decisions on how and when I decide to collect monies owed to me with contractual obligations, they are two seperate issues. The fact is that there was no mention of any kill fees in any contract so how are you legally justified to not pay me my deposit back in full? Yes I did give you several chances to keep that money , however you have several times decided that you would rather bring these matters to public boards. But make sure you don't confuse contractual obligations and law with payment plans or terms.

You seem so willing to give out your golden legal advice , yet your nothing but a lowlife that spent a customers deposit money at a trade show and then refused to return it.

________________________________________________

Also as far as dragging this on....... who exactly would be the person who went to my former company after all this stuff went down on GFY claiming I had said who knows what. I never wanted any of this garbage with you Aaron, but I gave you $2000 deposit to shoot content, not spend in Miami. You still haven't returned my full deposit even though I have tried several times to end this matter off public boards (remember the letter you had Sleazy post?). If your not a lowlife crrok then why haven't you returned my deposit? Would you like to make up a new reason such as before like I gave you that money in advance .... or I screwed you somehow so you had to come up with some kill fees or something? Is there a more logical excuse you have come up with yet for why you didn't return my money?

So you admit that YOU told me to keep the money? Let me also point out that YOU are the person who keeps bringing it up.....You wanna have your attorney send me another C&D for this thread too?

I do not need to make any excuses. Your opinions do not mean shit to me pal. I still do business with 100% payment up front and I always will.

You treated me like shit and continue to do so yet you expect me to keep my mouth shut when I am asked to tell an attorney the things you said to me about your previous partners? HA! Yeah, let me bend over backwards to keep you out of hot water.

Quit with your idle threats. If you need the $750 that bad then feel free to attempt to sue me for it.

Until then.....

BTW...Welcome to my block list. I suggest you discontinue your harassment before your actions cause you further embarrassment and or legal problems.

Ta ta.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

So you admit that YOU told me to keep the money? Let me also point out that YOU are the person who keeps bringing it up.....You wanna have your attorney send me another C&D for this thread too?

I do not need to make any excuses. Your opinions do not mean shit to me pal. I still do business with 100% payment up front and I always will.

You treated me like shit and continue to do so yet you expect me to keep my mouth shut when I am asked to tell an attorney the things you said to me about your previous partners? HA! Yeah, let me bend over backwards to keep you out of hot water.

Quit with your idle threats. If you need the $750 that bad then feel free to attempt to sue me for it.

Until then.....

BTW...Welcome to my block list. I suggest you discontinue your harassment before your actions cause you further embarrassment and or legal problems.

Ta ta.

You owe me $750 , you don't wanna pay it for some reason - that makes you a worthless crook. It should make a differnce to you that you have no valid reason for not returning my deposit money. I sure hope that people do take notice that you are telling a former customer of yours (one that has spent well over $5000 on your content) , that they shoudln't be concerned about $750 and I will have to take you to court to get it back. You owe me $750 , you don't wanna pay it back, how are your future customers not one 'piss off Aaron thread' away from having you keep their money?

I just think that potential customers should be aware that you owe past customers money. And people reading this thread should take your legal advice with a grain of salt as well as you obviously thought it was legal to deduct 'kill fees' from my deposit money even though there was no written agreement of such kill fees. You are a squid that spends others money to go to 'trade shows' all over the place, does that make you a legal wiz? Guess not , or you should have at least studied up your contract law before you cashed and spent my money.

Bottom line is pay me the deposit money back or at least if your gonna rip the me off come out and say your a fuckin crook.

p{mpd0g · 02-11-2003, 03:47 PM

Since your last attack on Aaron, I have paid him over 3k upfront for content. The content was deleivered within a few days on cd. no problems at all.

For those of us who do business with him, we are aware of the terms and they are just as normal as the next content providers.

He is offering legal facts, not advice.

UnseenWorld · 02-11-2003, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rory

Are those the same attorneys that said it was OK to charge undisclosed 'kill fees' even though there was no written contract or discussion of such 'kill fees' before the contract was initiated?

Somehow your attorneys credibility is in question if thats what he advised you to do, or maybe his contract law is not so good?

Pay me back my deposit you scumbag.

Or...how about sticking to the topic of this thread. From what I know of the incident. keeping the deposit was fair even if you two never set down terms of a contract. Besides, that is a tort law matter, not a criminal law matter, and doesn't belong in this discussion.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by p{mpd0g
Since your last attack on Aaron, I have paid him over 3k upfront for content. The content was deleivered within a few days on cd. no problems at all.

For those of us who do business with him, we are aware of the terms and they are just as normal as the next content providers.

He is offering legal facts, not advice.

What exactly does that have to do with the fact that he owes me money and is telling me I need to take him to court to get it back. I understand that Aaron has a devout board whore following, but how does what you said say anything other than he does good business with some people? If he was going to charge me 'kill fees' for whatever reason then I should have been made aware of them before he cashed my check, simple as that.

HeadPimp · 02-11-2003, 03:57 PM

Aaron brought up a good point... About the IDs... If you are truly paranoid then you should be shooting your own content and having a law enforcement agent checking the models IDs.

If the girl looks underage and all you have is a blown up photo copy, how are you to know that it is was valid ID to start with? You don't. You are relying on your content provider to use due dilligence to inspect their ID, and maintain records..

It is the content producers responsibility to maintain these records.

If there was a question then I would be happy to provide a blanked out copy for a customer of mine.

The big rule is do business with people that are here long term, and are willing to be professional. If you buy content from someone who just talked his girlfriends out of their clothes and you only paid $10 for 1000 images and you aren't sure where the guy is from, you are going to get what you pay for... That almost always holds true!

HeadPimp · 02-11-2003, 03:59 PM

In unrelated events.... Rory... we know you have a gripe with AaronM. Go take it somewhere else, we were having a discussion here!

Amputate Your Head · 02-11-2003, 04:02 PM

Rory, give it up man. You have no case. All you're doing here is succeeding in looking like a whiny girl. You paid a deposit and forfeited a piece of it when you flaked. Get over it. What Aaron spends his money on is none of your business. He can buy crack with it if he wants.

AaronM · 02-11-2003, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by HeadPimp
In unrelated events.... Rory... we know you have a gripe with AaronM. Go take it somewhere else, we were having a discussion here!

He tried to take it elsewhere...He even threatened legal action if I did not leave it off the boards. Now he chose to attack me again.

My case gets stronger with each of his posts.

For those who are interested...Please be sure to review the following thread.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=95475

Rory · 02-11-2003, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Rory, give it up man. You have no case. All you're doing here is succeeding in looking like a whiny girl. You paid a deposit and forfeited a piece of it when you flaked. Get over it. What Aaron spends his money on is none of your business. He can buy crack with it if he wants.

When did I flake? I didn't flake man, Aaron wont even show the dates or girls names for when I supposedly flaked. You obviously have no idea what happened. SO quit whining about me whining you whiner.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

He tried to take it elsewhere...He even threatened legal action if I did not leave it off the boards. Now he chose to attack me again.

My case gets stronger with each of his posts.

For those who are interested...Please be sure to review the following thread.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=95475

Please review that thread. I offered you the $750 you owe me to leave me the hell alone, on boards, with my family members, everywhere. You decided to have sleazy post it like the childish squid you are, thats fine. If you wanted to resolve this you would have just put me on ignore on boards and quit brewing bs between me and family business matters, etc. and in exchange for you leaving me the hell alone I would not pursue the $750 you owed me. You are an attention whore board squid so you decided to post it and continue the issue.

Amputate Your Head · 02-11-2003, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rory

Please review that thread. I offered you the $750 you owe me to leave me the hell alone, on boards, with my family members, everywhere. You decided to have sleazy post it like the childish squid you are, thats fine. If you wanted to resolve this you would have just put me on ignore on boards and quit brewing bs between me and family business matters, etc. and in exchange for you leaving me the hell alone I would not pursue the $750 you owed me. You are an attention whore board squid so you decided to post it and continue the issue.

rofl.... this is sad....

now this is some kinda of conspiracy against you? All this today is because of something Sleazy posted? You might can have your "lawyer" keep sending Aaron C&Ds, but you can't control what everyone does or says. And if you continue whining like a bitch, there's probably going to be alot more said to and about you by alot more people than just Aaron. You brought this up in this thread... not Aaron or anyone else.... YOU.

AaronM · 02-11-2003, 04:20 PM

Now...Back to the issue at hand. There has been enough fiction in this thread without the invalid input of Rory.

For those who wish to continue the Rory discussion, please do so in the other thread.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

rofl.... this is sad....

now this is some kinda of conspiracy against you? All this today is because of something Sleazy posted? You might can have your "lawyer" keep sending Aaron C&Ds, but you can't control what everyone does or says. And if you continue whining like a bitch, there's probably going to be alot more said to and about you by alot more people than just Aaron. You brought this up in this thread... not Aaron or anyone else.... YOU.

Conspiracy?

Its simple here man, I payed him to do shoots. He went to Miami and spent all his dough. He decided for whatever reason not to shoot the stuff (if it was me flaking then why werent dates or names or anything given?). I asked for my money back and he returned a portion of it several months later. Where in that equation is Rory screwing anyone? He decided to turn it into a personal run Rory through the mud campaign cause I 'made him mad or soemthing?'. Its not just an issue on these boards man, he has contacted my former companies lawyers saying that I said all these things (ironically he was privy to all this info about me after this GFY bs went down), for what reason other than he is pissed at me for taking his ripping me off to boards? I sent him a letter off these boards asking him to just stay the hell out of my life, and for doing that I wouldnt pursue the remainder of the money he owed me. I just dont see how I screwed him apparently.

Rory · 02-11-2003, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
Now...Back to the issue at hand. There has been enough fiction in this thread without the invalid input of Rory.

For those who wish to continue the Rory discussion, please do so in the other thread.

I would want to change the subject too if I were you.

Not fun to talk about being a crook?

HeadPimp · 02-11-2003, 04:59 PM

I think everyone putting him on ignore is the best idea yet...

Rory · 02-11-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by HeadPimp
I think everyone putting him on ignore is the best idea yet...

Wouldn't returning his deposit money be a more logical answer?

02-11-2003, 12:53 PM	#51
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	We are talking about the possibility of being charged with possessing and publishing child pornography here. Nobody's going to care a rat's ass about 2257 at that point, what you're going to have to prove is that the model is of legal age. So you're telling me that as long as some content producer/provider issued me a license with a keeper of records on it that regardless of whether the girl is actually 13 I as a webmaster or just a plain citizen who is now in possession of 100 photos of a 13 year old sucking cock I am in the clear legally? Even if the police can't turn up the person listed as the keeper of records? maybe you're right. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

02-11-2003, 12:59 PM	#54
UncleJimmy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: ariZONA Posts: 855	Ok, found an interesting article on another board about this. Still pretty 'grey' in regards to whether or not webmasters as secondary producers are required to maintain, because as the law is written it seems pretty clear, but between a few courts and a few well known internet lawyers, they're opinion seems to differ from the writings of the law MAKERS... http://www.ynotmasters.com/articles/...tured/517.html interesting read... so OK Aaron, I'll try to 'deal with it' thanks for your encouragement __________________ <a href="http://www.redpartners.com/?r=100278"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img src="http://britney-spears.blewme.com/wm.gif" width="120" height="60" border="0"></font></a><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Promote the web's hottest adult personals website, <a href="http://www.redpartners.com/?r=100278" target="_blank">Red Personals</a>.</font>

02-11-2003, 04:02 PM	#66
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Rory, give it up man. You have no case. All you're doing here is succeeding in looking like a whiny girl. You paid a deposit and forfeited a piece of it when you flaked. Get over it. What Aaron spends his money on is none of your business. He can buy crack with it if he wants. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

02-11-2003, 03:47 PM	#61
p{mpd0g So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 97	Since your last attack on Aaron, I have paid him over 3k upfront for content. The content was deleivered within a few days on cd. no problems at all. For those of us who do business with him, we are aware of the terms and they are just as normal as the next content providers. He is offering legal facts, not advice.

02-11-2003, 03:57 PM	#64
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	Aaron brought up a good point... About the IDs... If you are truly paranoid then you should be shooting your own content and having a law enforcement agent checking the models IDs. If the girl looks underage and all you have is a blown up photo copy, how are you to know that it is was valid ID to start with? You don't. You are relying on your content provider to use due dilligence to inspect their ID, and maintain records.. It is the content producers responsibility to maintain these records. If there was a question then I would be happy to provide a blanked out copy for a customer of mine. The big rule is do business with people that are here long term, and are willing to be professional. If you buy content from someone who just talked his girlfriends out of their clothes and you only paid $10 for 1000 images and you aren't sure where the guy is from, you are going to get what you pay for... That almost always holds true!

02-11-2003, 03:59 PM	#65
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	In unrelated events.... Rory... we know you have a gripe with AaronM. Go take it somewhere else, we were having a discussion here!

02-11-2003, 04:20 PM	#71
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Now...Back to the issue at hand. There has been enough fiction in this thread without the invalid input of Rory. For those who wish to continue the Rory discussion, please do so in the other thread.

02-11-2003, 04:59 PM	#74
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	I think everyone putting him on ignore is the best idea yet...