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copyright is anti-american anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta...pitalist_views The Molinari Institute notes that Thomas Jefferson was against copyright and cites many other libertarians who opposed it. |
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If we have right to use three things separately, I see nothing in reason or in the law, which forbids our using them all together. A man has a right to use a saw, an axe, a plane, separately; may he not combine their uses on the same piece of wood? He has a right to use his knife to cut his meat, a fork to hold it; may a patentee take from him the right to combine their use on the same subject?
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. – Thomas Jefferson |
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It's amazing how many people on here who seem to think this is actually a good idea. Open your fucking minds people!
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No. He's just another guy talking with no experience.
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Second...keep in mind that ALL pirates and thieves are 100% against this kind of law as well. Meanwhile, you have major mainstream companies backing this bill 100% because they are tired of having their product stolen and monetized. And you also have experienced, successful content producers and paysite owners on GFY telling you that they are in favor of a new law to stop piracy as well. Maybe you should open your mind? Because the current status quo is damn sure the worst thing that's ever happened to our industry. |
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"more regulations and i will be rich RICH RICHHHHH" But if this bill passes the other bills will pass as well and realy change the internet as we know it. people below 18 years of age will be jailed if they use google. All this people will find something else to do and will not buy your stuff after they turn 18 since they now have some other form to enjoy their time instead of sit behind their pc al day long. People who lie on the internet for example lie about their age on facebook or lie about a video on youtube will be fined or cut off from the internet. A lot of people will not look at your porn anymore. For example loosing their very own USA based websites many people from outside the USA will avoid US websites because no one is gonna read your terms of services to read and make sure they are not in violation of your terms of use and loose their internet websites and or fined/put in jail for breaching yuor terms of use. Seriously how many hits does your terms of use get? anywhere near the amount of visitors at your website? Instead of blaming everyone else you may want to protect your content by using watermarks or with media licensing for example DRM licensing http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...g/default.mspx
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yes maybe crappy old geocities looking tgps will maybe start to make sales again. fuck the inetrnet.
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After 9/11 the government should have focused like a laser on getting Bin Laden, disrupting Afghanistan, and rebuilding the World Trade Center.
Isn't that we all really wanted? What happened instead? Waterboarding, wiretapping, body scanners, an unfunded war in Iraq, etc.... Is that what we wanted, as a people? Now the government is going to "fix" our online piracy problem? How do you suppose that's going to work out for us? |
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Did you profit from the war in Iraq? A lot of money was made by a lot of people. Track back who really wanted that war, and follow the money. This will be the case with these new internet bills too. They will "protect our freedoms" directly into the corporate coffers. They will "protect our freedoms" directly into a more restricted internet. Would you rather have true net-neutrality, along with some bad apples - or no net-neutrality, to "protect our freedoms" ? |
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love threads like this. shows that most small government libertarians are libertarian except when an issue might touch their pocketbook, then they happily endorse the most odious and stupid authoritarian laws.
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I led the industry in protecting my content when others said it couldn't be done. As for tunnel vision...I not only see the big picture, but I'm 100 steps ahead of the game at all times. Dude...the DMCA is an outdated law that was passed before a lot of technology existed. If you can't see with your own eyes what has happened over the last few years...then maybe YOU are the one with tunnel vision. |
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Stealing is NOT "freedom" . We need a law NOW to stop the blatant stealing and give some teeth to it so nobody even thinks about doing it. This is about MONEY. Not freedom. |
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Giving the government any control of the internet will result in more regulations for US webmasters, which means more cost to do business, a new department that will cost millions , if not billions of dollars to run on the taxes collected by those that make a living on it.
If you look at what the supreme court is dealing with over the federal government expanding it's power with the new healthcare law, it's all about expantion of their power, which means less freedom of it's citizens. I like what freedoms we have left, we've lost so many in my life time. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...724779286.html Like the new healthcare law or not, this is about the federal government growing in places where it's not suppose to.
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that |
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nobody in there right mind who fap to that horrible so called porn |
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Where is the investment coming from that needs piracy to be left alone? As for the other part of letting it go to court. Well by the time it gets into court, the other side fight and delay it, then appeal. Yes that's the best route. ![]() The penalty for false accusations needs to tough. Then copyright trolls (are these people sending out legal DMCA's" and stopping people pirating their wares) will be in trouble. |
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I recently did a favor for a friend in finding his some "traffic" sources from online porn. I get contacted by a few brokers who were selling ads.
Mostly on piracy sites. Many already had banners from well known people here, some are owned by people on GFY. Online porn = Piracy. for a lot of people. Vendzilla doesn't want to lose his freedom to advertise on piracy sites. doesn't want te pirates to lose their freedom to steal content to get traffic to earn money from him so he can sell his webcam sites. Would Vendzilla feel the same if I hacked into the account and redirected all his traffic from a piracy site to mine? Would Vendzilla feel the same if I hacked into his webcam sites and redirected all the live shows to my site? No he'd be on me in a flash. He doesn't give a shit about freedom. Unless it his and not mine to take from him. And he's just one of many countless piracy supporters. When he,Frank21, BFT3K, nextri and the rest of the piracy supporters. Open their sites and wares for me to download for free. I will think better of them. I'll pass away before they give that "freedom" away. ![]() |
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This bill will be sold as an anti-piracy bill, and by doing so, incorrectly, it WILL fuck with net neutrality - guaranteed! Come back in a year and bump this thread. Let's see how it turns out. ![]() |
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Hey Robbie- I represent the Fender guitar company (or whatever guitar you happen to be holding in your avatar). We object to the dilution and damaging use of our trademark being used in association with that dirty whore in your photo LOL. This is your notice that your site has been reported to the Justice Department and your website is being shut down remotely via your DNS. For the next month while your website is shut down pending a review of the situation, sorry but you will be losing money every minute. BTW, once it is determined we were just fucking with you and we have no case, you are prevented via this law from seeking monetary compensation for our specious claim. GFY-
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LOL, it never ceases to amaze me that the bottom dregs of society and sleazy porn merchants on here (at least in the minds of many conservatives) whom those same conservatives would LOVE to get a chance to shut down (.xxx anyone??) are actually in favor of censorship, and even funnier that they actually think Eric Holder is going to hold a press conference and publicly declare his support for claudiamarie.com or some other skanky site and take legal action (which is the requirement, this law does not allow you to personally sue, it has to be handled by the JD). These imbeciles actually believe that this law is for them and not for Time Warner and Disney. Jesus. Fucking delusional. LOL
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I am against censorship. Unless we are censoring stolen material. If we aren't talking about stolen material, then cool. Thank goodness it is for Disney. Hopefully it will also allow other content producer's control of their property as a side effect. If the bill allows asshats the ability to shut down businesses on a whim, then don't pass it. I have a hard time believing that would be the case. I am against shutting down law abiding sites at the request of some schmuck. I am also against the protection of schmucks that steal material and post and share without fear of any reprisals.
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1) since we were one of the few that publically declared we were suspending their account, why do you have a hardon for me? Is it my smile? 2) How do you think I can take that link to our site down, do you have magical beans from the old country that can help? 3) Why are you for censorship? Because if the government gets it's hooks in this, that's exactly what will happen as seen with the patriot act
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The only thing that makes the internet fun is freedom... for me anyway.
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that |
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Yes, they are. But if we were arguing taxing the internet I would have a completely different position. Which freedom are we afraid we are going to lose with this bill?
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![]() By your theory...nobody could even PLAY a guitar onstage. lol And that pic and avatar by the way are from my BAND website (you know...music) This law would have zero effect on that. ZERO. I see what you're trying to say. But it just doesn't work that way. |
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Think of it this way, put a bunch of politicians in charge of the internet, they will group together and start up censorship, next thing you know, you'll show up to GFY and get redirected to a military recruitment site. People lose their homes because someone wants to build a strip mall, if you flush your toilet when the police show up at your frint door, they can break down the door with guns out, and the list goes on
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LOL, I think you are taking me too literally. It might not work that way in that specific case if you are friends with them so let me put it another way.
You stole my content robie. I am filing with the DOJ Prove I am lying. Meanwhile your site might be shut down and if it's found out that I was lying this law specifically prevents you from suing me for damages. This bill puts the impetus on YOU to prove you are innocent. You are guilty as charged until you prove otherwise, got it? Just curious. What part of this bill did you like? I mean the specific section and subsection. Cause you read it right?? Just asking because I read the whole bill. Every word, and I can tell you it's not what you think it is LOL. Do you know it has a subsection regarding the military? Like sites that threaten military secrets e.g. wikileaks type sites? This gives the government the ability to classify your site as threatening national security. When are people going to learn that the laws passed often have a lot of other stuff slipped into them. You do know that the law consists of the entire text of a bill, and not just the title right? Look, I get people here are pissed off at the tubes, thats fine. i get it, but this bill does not address the problems you think it does in the way that you think it does. I also understand that people are so beat down they accept any solution, even if it is a bad one. There is a lot of that going around and this bill wont be the last example of that coming down the pike. Dont get me wrong. I really dont care. Let it pass. lobby for it. America is fucked anyway so in a perverse way it's kind of amusing watching it go down the tubes, you wont get a fight from me about it. Just dont come crying to me when there are unintended consequences. Unintended by you that is, the feds clearly "intend" this to be something other than what it seems, but then again, like i said i could give a fuck. I just think it's amusing how easily people beg for their own demise. It interests me from a sociological perspective the obtuseness of people in general and Americans especially. Quote:
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I'm just a guy who has skin in the game and has watched piracy destroy our industry because of an outdated DMCA law. I want a copyright law that changes that. You can sit back and type that it is "amusing" to you as if you are a wise God-like figure sitting back in amusement at our follies. heh-heh That's what that always sounds like to me when somebody that something or someone "amuses" them. ![]() I'll say it again: EVERY pirate and thief is against this type of law. Is it because they are fighting for some kind of imaginary virtual "freedom" that was just started a few years ago? No. I will be just as free online as I am now. And pirates will be hurt. That's just my opinion. Mine is based on my own thoughts and experience. Yours is based on your own. In the end it doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter what you think. Either this law will pass or another one that is similar will pass. And the law will have to pass constitutional muster. And there's nothing that me, you, or any other pornographer will have any say in. The fact is...as I said already, the govt. can step in on us RIGHT NOW if they decide to pressure credit card companies to all stop processing adult. And RIGHT NOW the govt. can come in and seize your website...and everything you own...and throw you in jail, even though you've done nothing wrong. Ask Max Hardcore. This new law is aimed at piracy. Can it be turned on us? Of course it can. Does it matter? Not if something doesn't change...there won't be many of us left in business to go after if the old DMCA law isn't changed. |
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To be fair to you, you're not the only one advertising there Live Jasmin do along with others. This is the link they use, can you prove that since the site was reveal to you they have not changed the link flirt4free.com/live/girls/?mp_code=a6s9h Quote:
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The creation of the content is illegal, the stopping of it's publication is censorship, are you saying we should have no censorship online? Well that's bullshit V. This board is censored and you post here, your webcams are censored and you do it or your bosses and you work for them. I worked under heavy censorship while in the UK and the effect it had on my income was great. I made more money. You will still be able to advertise on sites giving away free porn, the costs might rise, you might have to support the sites having to buy content. But you'll still be able to advertise. And that is the real hub of the anti brigade. The recent show in Prague had piracy sites with ads selling traffic and representatives there. I assume they are now at all shows. GTS list of sites to advertise on just one site supporting piracy, along with Juicy and many others here? Piracy is big business. This law is designed not to censor the Internet like the rest of the offline world is, it's designed to stop piracy and the loss of billions of dollars. Quote:
Then give me a free plug in to your live shows. Or is that too much freedom? ![]() As for taxing your income. So are you now implying you dodge paying taxes with your online income? |
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What it will do is stop people outside the US steal work from US based companies and sell it without giving money to the creator. It's an attempt to get pirates off the backs of creators of products. So the US creators can sell the product ad be taxed by the US Government. This will result in more money flowing into the USA, more jobs, more investment, more profit and yes more tax revenues. It might mean less tax revenues for you personally. Because the US can repay some of the massive debt is racked up trying to keep your taxes down. Today some of the tax you pay is to cover the lost revenue due to pirates outside the US. Or do you think the lost revenue isn't having an effect on your taxes? Can you tell me where that's wrong? By looking at piracy sites and advertising sites we can clearly see what big business it is. And it is for your company. Before I take time to go and surf all the piracy sites trying to pull up more ads from your company. Maybe you would like to list them. To show clearly what side of the fence you're on. Because if we pull up a lot of the sites you have in your sig, you might just end up looking like an extreme funding source of piracy. |
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Let's cut the BS about censorship and closing down online porn or any of the rest of the misleading BS.
Piracy is big business for those doing it or supporting it. forumophilia.com/index.php run by our good friend papillon??? planetsuzy.org/ covered in ads. I'm being Geo targeted orgybb.org supporting a file hoster who pays uploaders. intporn.com/forums/ with Venzilla's company advertising on it. forum.dumpstersluts.com/ more ads Cams.com, wiveson.com and mylesbogf.com bbsex.org JuicyAds.com seems connected or was. amateurpile.com ads from ero-adverttising to fuckforfreetonight.com fritchy.com ads from datefree.com This site fully accepts censorship, of content from sites that might sue them???? pornbb.org/viewtopic.php?t=43861 And as I go on the picture is clear. Lots of people have their nose in the trough of free porn. From here, some are advertising, some run them and maybe some submit pirated content to the file hosting companies that pay them. Then spend a lot of time going around these free boards promoting their pirated content. This is about money and the censorship argument or regulating online is a blind. If this law comes in many will have to change the way they do business. I strongly suspect some of the anti guys here are just profiting from piracy and don't care if creators and owners lose. They win and that's all that counts. |
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So if sex between 15 year olds is legal in a country, should it be allowed online?
If sex between two married people say a 12 year old guy and a 30 year old man is legal in the country it's filmed. Should it be uncensored online? Should an illegal act, be allowed to be published online? The act is illegal, the publishing of it isn't. Because that would be censorship. If you answer, No = censorship and you're a hypocrite. If you answer, Yes = you're true to your words. |
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I went on an anti-apartheid marches in the 90s. Does that make me black?
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So if sex between 15 year olds is legal in a country, should it be allowed online? If sex between two married people say a 12 year old guy and a 30 year old man is legal in the country it's filmed. Should it be uncensored online? Should an illegal act, be allowed to be published online? The act is illegal, the publishing of it isn't. Because that would be censorship. If you answer, No = censorship and you're a hypocrite. If you answer, Yes = you're true to your words. Or ignore the question and let us form our own opinions. The question also goes for any others using the "censorship" angle to back their argument to not regulate piracy. |
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Still waiting to hear how you can pull links off someone else s site? Going off on rants without a fucking clue
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that |
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You've ignored mine 3 times. If I support anti-aparteid, am I black? If you refuse to answer this question it means you think I am black.
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"Internet giants including Yahoo, Google, Facebook and the Consumer Electronics Association have joined forces to oppose the legislation, which they say would give the government too much power to shut down Web sites accused of pirating or counterfeiting content." http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...QZN_story.html Are you saying they are all pirates? LOL! |
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I find it illogical they would still have that advert there after you had banned them and not paid them. Seems more logical you are saying one thing and doing another. If you really want to convince us, not just me, that you've banned that site. Server them with a DMCA and their hosts, to remove the banner and redirect all their traffic to Google. Are you a supporter of the present laws to remove pirated content are you not? ![]() I see Damian is still avoiding a straight question. Anyone else think he's a pirate? No I don't think you're black, just a person earning from piracy and scared this act will harm your income. |
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Same question I have been asking to you over and over, how do I take down the links on someone elses site? You keep avoiding that same straight question, why?
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And logic tells me and others, something else. You denying it. Doesn't look good to others or convincing. This situation is a clear indication of why the laws need to be a lot tougher than they are today. No one but he and people at VS know what's happening here. Who owns Intporn.com and where are they and if sued through the courts will it be like trying to grab mist? What ever that's a long process. Much better to lodge a complaint that shows them to be pirates and crash the site. These guys that run Intporn can't even be bothered to take down a banner on their site. Why screw around, shut them down and if they want to appeal, let them turn up in court. Because clearly they are not responsible enough to remove a banner, getting them to adhere to loose laws like copyright and DMCA is a joke. Also dragging in advertisers and making them culpable to damages will make them a lot more cautious about who they allow to promote them. Or do you think irresponsible people like these should have the responsibility of running a site. And a powerful medium like the Internet? Freedom has to be deserved and not abused. |
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LOL at people who think this will help to protect their copyrights and in the result increase their revenue. If you think so then think twice.
Piracy will not magically disappear but in some percentage it may migrate to other forms like p2p or physical datastorage exchange like in it's old good times with only that difference that now datastorage is dirt cheap. What it will do is that legit websites including yours might be in huge troubles. That's only my humble opinion. |
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