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pornmasta · 11-16-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I police my forums. You have too. And if you notice...my avatar is a pic of ME as it should be.
Again...I've been running message boards for almost ten years. I'm a webmaster and yes...

You are not serious. I think you don't realise we are talking about a police state.
3 strikes and you are out with some laws like that ?
Cya in jail....

MakingItPay · 11-16-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

i doubt so

Which part?

bronco67 · 11-16-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I know the internet is cool when stealing is so easy. But if you are the guy getting your stuff stolen that you created and are trying to sell, I think letting people steal and forcing me to pay someone to police all the sites that steal my stuff was going way to far in favor of theft.

Not to use lame analogies, but its like throwing the baby out with the bath water -- or cutting off your head to cure a headache.

pornmasta · 11-16-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Which part?

we are no more in 1999

raymor · 11-16-2011, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank21

According to this bill if somehow something has been posted on this blog wich a copyrite holder claims he ALLEGES that it may be in vviolation of his rights the website will be taken off the internet no "fair use" or any judge will be involved!

Read the bill. That's simply not true. You're argung against something that would be very bad if it were real, but it simply isn't real. In fact, under this bill, if the site owner responds to complaints he's off the hook. Also if the site is mainly something other than theft, he's off the hook. Only if he makes a site designed and marketed as a theft ring and fails to handle complaints can a judge order it be delisted.

BFT3K · 11-16-2011, 09:27 PM

The Patriot Act was designed to protect our freedom too.

The idea behind the bill is generally a good one, but a power-grab is lying in the grass.

I can imagine the heart of this idea fitting on maybe one or two pages of legal text.

The current version is already 70 pages, and who knows how much it will grow and change by the end.

MakingItPay · 11-16-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

we are no more in 1999

eliminate piracy and we'll see.

MakingItPay · 11-16-2011, 09:42 PM

Power grab? You mean returning power back to content owners and taking it away from theives? No Avatars? Going to jail for breaking the terms of service of a website? Come on. The more I hear these sky is falling arguments against it, the more I know this is the best thing ever. Baby out with the bath water? Is the baby the ability to take copyrighted material until you get caught and DMCA'd by the owner, then just to have it uploaded again? Then yeah, throw it all out.

SmutHammer · 11-16-2011, 09:47 PM

why does everyone keep saying the government doesn't like porn? take away the pirating, and just imagine the taxes paid...

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 12:16 AM

No one's fucked up this industry more than the people in this industry.

I'm not going to revisit the insane pro-tube vs anti-tube battle again, but if any of you still believe that giving away unlimited porn, while trying to SELL PORN, is a brilliant business plan, then I don't know what to say.

Piracy sucks, but it is only a portion of the revenue loss. The bulk of the loss is self-inflicted.

Now all of the "small government conservatives" here, are so confused that they are willing to allow BIGGER government to step in and play Daddy for us.

It's a trojan horse I tell you!

Robbie · 11-17-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Now all of the "small government conservatives" here, are so confused that they are willing to allow BIGGER government to step in and play Daddy for us.
It's a trojan horse I tell you!

I'm not wanting anybody (especially the govt.) to play "daddy".

But you know as well as I do that the DMCA laws are outdated. And I have already stopped caring about the dumbass sites that have joined into the race to the bottom...if they want to put all their content up for free so they can get a big traffic number, then that is their business.

But as for you and me? We are shooting unique stuff. Not generic porn. And when our content is stolen and posted up on big tubes, torrents, file shares, and pirate forums it hurts our business big time.

Having the laws changed to reflect new technology is not asking the govt. to play "daddy" in my opinion. It's simply putting the proper laws in place to go after thieves.

If you truly believe that the U.S. govt. is going to be expending time and energy chasing down people's avatars on message boards or going after YouTube and Google, I think you are mistaken.

All this law is going to do for us is give us a way to FINALLY have our attorneys move on these thieving scumbags. The govt. not only won't play "daddy", but they aren't going to lift a finger to help us in any way.

But the law is the law is the law. And we will finally have the ability to take legal actions against pirate sites. And when we do...and WIN, then the authorities will be able to take the actions that the new law empowers them to.

That's the way I see it. As I already said...I'm not going to lose one tiny iota of freedom from this bill. Nobody will.

If the average person wants to upload something on the internet..then they will have to CREATE it themselves. Just like they used to have to do. And webmasters will have to actually WORK their own sites...just like they used to do.

True user uploaded content will actually become REAL amateur porn and the all around innovation and creativity of the internet will increase in my opinion. How? Easy. People will have to LEARN to do shit again and create content and film stuff and write songs, etc. The only "innovation" I see from piracy is figuring out better ways for people to steal shit and upload it. Whoopty doo. I ain't impressed.

Anyway...millions of us were "free" on the internet before user upload shit became so prevalent. Am I "more free" now because I can steal something and upload it? Does that make me more "innovative"?

No.

And this is exactly the kind of law I've been calling for for the last couple of years.

When a bill finally is passed that replaces the bullshit whack-a-mole DMCA law that has stripped our industry to the bone...that is the day that things will turn around for this industry and real porn producers.
And it's also the day that pirates and ALL people (ones who advertise on their sites, their hosting companies, and every little bottom feeding fringe person) who make money directly or indirectly from other people's stolen content will begin to hurt as badly as they have been hurting all of us.

Nautilus · 11-17-2011, 05:03 AM

As if the freedom of speech exists only to ensure that any random idiot can upload any clip he likes to youtube, instantly and anonimously. Or use any picture he likes as his avatar on a message board. And if he has to use his iphone to snap a pic for his avatar, oh noes, totalitarism and oppression.

Nautilus · 11-17-2011, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

?In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.?

~ Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

Just a little less freedom every day....

I'll rephrase it for more relevance.

First they came for the shoplifters, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a shoplifter.

Then they came for the burglars, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a burglar.

And then they came after me.

Maybe that's because stealing other people's work and posting it at my torrent site wasn't such a good idea after all?

iSpyCams · 11-17-2011, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I had "freedom" BEFORE user upload loopholes in the DMCA laws sent piracy into overdrive. And I was making millions with PORN on the internet without that particular "Freedom" way before YouTube or FaceBook or even Google existed.

People using that as an excuse to be against an anti-piracy bill are just not thinking clearly.

I don't like or trust the govt. one bit. But one thing is for sure...they already can yank down porn anytime they want to. That's been known for a long time. For whatever reason, they let us live here on the internet. And if they wanted to shut us down they could do it pretty easy...especially free sites. But pay sites could be taken down real quick with a little bit of govt. pressure on Visa and Mastercard.

We absolutely need a law to change what is going on with piracy. All of us (at least those of us who have been doing online porn since the mid 1990's) lived just FINE without user upload "freedom" to steal. And we'll do even better once it's illegal to steal copyright content again.

It's already illegal to steal copyright content.

You are getting too old to think straight. Piracy is at its current levels because of technology, not legislation. Compression algos and codecs making files smaller on one hand while broadband makes connections faster.

In the 90's people bought DVD's because it would have taken years to download them with their 33.6 modems. They didn't even have Divx codecs to compress the mpegs back then.

People didn't rip your websites because it would have taken months and they needed to use the phone occasionally.

The cat is not going back in the bag, old man.

CaptainHowdy · 11-17-2011, 06:01 AM

We might need freedom from internet ...

nation-x · 11-17-2011, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Sorry..but I'm FOR this bill.

We all policed our sites and made sure that there was nothing illegal on them from day one. Now...suddenly it's not the owner's responsibility to do so anymore?

Bullshit. There WAS a reason we were WEBMASTERS. The pathetic horseshit that goes on today is nothing more than automated scripts doing everything while the supposed "webmaster" couldn't actually run a website to save his soul.

On my tube sites I have to go to the "Approval" que for every damn video. It takes a few minutes to get rid of the stuff that shouldn't be there.
I've never lost one bit of "freedom" that way.

As far as "Facebook" and others go? They didn't even exist a few years ago. I was just as "free" then as I am now.

And I can flat out tell you that YES FaceBook DOES police the hell out of it's site. Just ask anybody who tries to put up porn on there and they'll tell you real quick that their profile was deleted.

Fuck pirates. I'm all for going nuclear on them now. I'm still gonna be just as "free" with or without "user upload" (translated: stolen content)

QFT

bronco67 · 11-17-2011, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

It's already illegal to steal copyright content.

You are getting too old to think straight. Piracy is at its current levels because of technology, not legislation. Compression algos and codecs making files smaller on one hand while broadband makes connections faster.

In the 90's people bought DVD's because it would have taken years to download them with their 33.6 modems. They didn't even have Divx codecs to compress the mpegs back then.

People didn't rip your websites because it would have taken months and they needed to use the phone occasionally.

The cat is not going back in the bag, old man.

It just sounds like tech has caught up with people's flawed ethics and morality. What if they knew there would be consequences for doing the wrong thing? Wouldn't that make them think twice before doing it?

DamianJ · 11-17-2011, 06:24 AM

iSpyCams · 11-17-2011, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

It just sounds like tech has caught up with people's flawed ethics and morality. What if they knew there would be consequences for doing the wrong thing? Wouldn't that make them think twice before doing it?

I am not saying I agree with you but even if you are 100% right ethics and morality will continue to be "flawed" regardless of legislation and technology and human ingenuity will continue to outpace the "law".

Example: In the US Drugs are illegal, and they are everywhere. Prostitution is illegal and it is everywhere.

People will find a way to do what they want regardless of the law and everyone knows it.

There are only 2 kinds of people who want this:

1) over the hill content producers who think they are somehow going to bring back the 90's by turning downloaders into Felons and

2) people with a hidden agenda to use claims of IP violations to stifle real freedom of speech.

Even if some of the content producers win it wont be the ones producing adult content cashing in, it will be the ones producing shitty movies like Green lantern and shitty artists like Justin Bieber. Nobody gives a fuck about porn, except while they are actively masturbating. The second they cap that geyser with a sock they cant turn it off fast enough.

NewNick · 11-17-2011, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

?In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.?

~ Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

Just a little less freedom every day....

Jesus fucking Christ.

A law is proposed to curb piracy and some prick throws in quotes about facism.

Freedom does not mean that you get to steal without threat of sanction.

But the Nazi thing seems be be used a lot in US political debate. Same with Obamacare, same with gun control debates. It just sounds silly to me.

bronco67 · 11-17-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

True, this is going to hurt a lot of sites that we all love, but anything that forces creation of original content, instead of pilfering from other sources is fine by me.

iSpyCams · 11-17-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

True, this is going to hurt a lot of sites that we all love, but anything that forces creation of original content, instead of pilfering from other sources is fine by me.

Anything? Really? Because for example burning all of society to the ground would probably force a lot of creativity and original works.

RycEric · 11-17-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

True, this is going to hurt a lot of sites that we all love, but anything that forces creation of original content, instead of pilfering from other sources is fine by me.

before internet and legislation

after internet and legislation

Paul Markham · 11-17-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Scares me to let the government run anything that runs good already, they will tax it, regulate it and eventually kill it.

So speaks a man who advertises on piracy sites.

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

The reason you dumb shits are allowed to put porn on the internet is because of FREEDOM.

When that is gone, Porn will be on the short list of things not allowed on the internet anymore.

So speaks a man without a brain. There was porn before the Internet.

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Originally Posted by d-null

how about all pictures and avatars, etc? will forums have to be "text only" as the owners would have no other way of ensuring that every single pic used has the proper licensing?

You will risk the consequences of posting pirated content?

Paul Markham · 11-17-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

If this passes, adult webmasters that create content will party like it is 1999! Too much money being made from Piracy. Google will squash it like a bug I'm afraid.

I read the comments on the petition. So, if people aren't allowed to post content they don't own, innovation will die?

anyone who thinks that is a pirate or piracy supporter. The more money you make creating = the more creation.

This argument is falling into two camps. those who think they can't be hurt from piracy or benefiting from it and those who are getting hurt by it. If I plug into Vendzilla's webcam sites and download the live content for free, he'll be calling in this law faster than I can say troll.

If I plug into any of the supporters sites or wares and use it for free, they are all over me.

Porn existed long before the Internet. It was available in most civilised countries and withing reason pretty well uncensored. In certain places there was a limit. Could still produce, sell and buy magazines like Mayfair, Playboy etc and make money.

The "freedom" slant is "Freedom for me to steal what you have and benefit from it."

Make plans, this law will pass and all the bleating in the world won't stop it. It will need the Supreme Court to do that.

DamianJ · 11-17-2011, 09:27 AM

Paul, I went on anti-Apartheid marches in the 90s, does that make me black?

iSpyCams · 11-17-2011, 09:32 AM

I get that the problem is real, but forcing ISP's hosts and etc. to police the internet and giving the DOJ authority to shut down websites with no due process is not the solution.

And if you think pirated porn is what they are after then you are fucking deluded. The TSA is looking for nothing in the world but drugs all the while crying about "terrorism bla bla bla african guy blew up his penis on a plane, so dump that water bottle and give me your nail clippers".

This is nothing but the government wanting more control over the internet after watching governments topple all over the world with the help of social networking.

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm not wanting anybody (especially the govt.) to play "daddy".

But you know as well as I do that the DMCA laws are outdated. And I have already stopped caring about the dumbass sites that have joined into the race to the bottom...if they want to put all their content up for free so they can get a big traffic number, then that is their business.

But as for you and me? We are shooting unique stuff. Not generic porn. And when our content is stolen and posted up on big tubes, torrents, file shares, and pirate forums it hurts our business big time.

Having the laws changed to reflect new technology is not asking the govt. to play "daddy" in my opinion. It's simply putting the proper laws in place to go after thieves.

If you truly believe that the U.S. govt. is going to be expending time and energy chasing down people's avatars on message boards or going after YouTube and Google, I think you are mistaken.

All this law is going to do for us is give us a way to FINALLY have our attorneys move on these thieving scumbags. The govt. not only won't play "daddy", but they aren't going to lift a finger to help us in any way.

But the law is the law is the law. And we will finally have the ability to take legal actions against pirate sites. And when we do...and WIN, then the authorities will be able to take the actions that the new law empowers them to.

That's the way I see it. As I already said...I'm not going to lose one tiny iota of freedom from this bill. Nobody will.

If the average person wants to upload something on the internet..then they will have to CREATE it themselves. Just like they used to have to do. And webmasters will have to actually WORK their own sites...just like they used to do.

True user uploaded content will actually become REAL amateur porn and the all around innovation and creativity of the internet will increase in my opinion. How? Easy. People will have to LEARN to do shit again and create content and film stuff and write songs, etc. The only "innovation" I see from piracy is figuring out better ways for people to steal shit and upload it. Whoopty doo. I ain't impressed.

Anyway...millions of us were "free" on the internet before user upload shit became so prevalent. Am I "more free" now because I can steal something and upload it? Does that make me more "innovative"?

No.

And this is exactly the kind of law I've been calling for for the last couple of years.

When a bill finally is passed that replaces the bullshit whack-a-mole DMCA law that has stripped our industry to the bone...that is the day that things will turn around for this industry and real porn producers.
And it's also the day that pirates and ALL people (ones who advertise on their sites, their hosting companies, and every little bottom feeding fringe person) who make money directly or indirectly from other people's stolen content will begin to hurt as badly as they have been hurting all of us.

If the law was limited to your interpretation, them I'm totally onboard. Let's read the final version of the draft, and see how it is ultimately implemented.

To believe someone else has the right to profit from OUR EXCLUSIVE CONTENT, that we paid to produce, without our consent, is obviously absurd, and I'm surprised it has ever happened, and equally surprised by how long it is taking to correct.

I'm on your side 100% on this, but I worry that the new laws proposed will be overreaching, and filled with surprises, with consequences and results we are not discussing right now.

For now, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I get that the problem is real, but forcing ISP's hosts and etc. to police the internet and giving the DOJ authority to shut down websites with no due process is not the solution.

And if you think pirated porn is what they are after then you are fucking deluded. The TSA is looking for nothing in the world but drugs all the while crying about "terrorism bla bla bla african guy blew up his penis on a plane, so dump that water bottle and give me your nail clippers".

This is nothing but the government wanting more control over the internet after watching governments topple all over the world with the help of social networking.

I still believe the devil is in the details.

Considering the special and government interests that are onboard with this, makes me to believe it will not be helpful in the end.

It sure smells a whole lot like bigger government and internet censorship, packaged and sold as an anti-piracy bill.

I hope I'm wrong...

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Jesus fucking Christ.

A law is proposed to curb piracy and some prick throws in quotes about facism.

Freedom does not mean that you get to steal without threat of sanction.

Losing our rights and freedoms under the guise of necessary protection, is always a slippery slope. Our privacies and freedoms are reduced on a daily basis. It is happening slowly, with one new law at a time, but it is happening.

halfpint · 11-17-2011, 11:28 AM

I see one problem with this, If they block pirate sites from the US People who live in the US wont see their content on the pirate sites anymore but it will still be there sitting on the internet on a server in some other country. It kinda defeats the whole idea of policing your own content.

Dcat · 11-17-2011, 11:43 AM

This has very little to do with "piracy," it's just sold that way for people not paying attention.

SOPA, and the expansion of CFAA amount to an all out war on Internet freedom by the federal government. They are losing the propaganda war, and they need to start heavily censoring the Internet now. Get ready..

Very similar legislation is being worked on, or is already being implemented, in most Western countries.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Bullshit. Get piracy back under control with an updated DMCA/copyright law and we WILL make money just like before.

People want the NEWEST updates. They can have their computers filled with all the porn ever made up until this very moment.

And they are missing out on the latest update from their favorite girl. Or a new girl that they really, really want to see that they can't. And just like they always did...they will join for that privilege.

It's not a dream. It's the reason a site updates to begin with. If it didn't matter then nobody would create new porn. You'll see...and I don't know if you have skin in the game (guessing you don't)...but those of us who shoot unique, exclusive stuff are going to be in a position to reclaim our livelihoods when the dust clears.

Dream on. For a very very tiny few it might mean more money. Unless it brings down the free tubes and their advertising supporters, doubt it though.

99% or something close to that is porn with little generic value, uniqueness or real pull. The people who go to a piracy site to DL a lot of CM and don't want anyone else will coe to you. both of them

The rest will go onto pornhub and download a free movie of any big titted milf.

As for new porn. I don't remember the exact year, let's say 2000, I last read AVN and the figures for new releases in the US. It was 15,000 titles. Assuming a man watches 90 minutes a day. that will take him 41 years to plow through the content of 2000. By the time he finishes the online stuff of 200 he will be in his box pushing up daisies.

Yes I know what you're going to say. Still every unseen scene is a "new" scene to that consumer. It could be my stuff from 200, but if he didn't see it, it's new to him. Don't come up with the HD argument, Tubes prove it invalid.

Newsgroups, then TGPs started us on this roller coaster and I think you were on the driving seat then. Now free will kill you and I hope Dating and Webcams. Then paysites might just come back.

halfpint · 11-17-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Paul, I went on anti-Apartheid marches in the 90s, does that make me black?

Did you live over in SA

Robbie · 11-17-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Dream on.

No dreaming involved. People want the newest updates and the newest porn. If they can't get if free...they will pay. Always have and always will.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

?In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.?

~ Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

Just a little less freedom every day....

How much content from your sites can I pirate and sell via out stores?

Or will you think my "freedom" is bullshit, if I pirate from you?

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Originally Posted by d-null

I'm just saying, you can't pick and choose what is protected or not, if user uploads or forum posts are allowed, they are the same in the eyes of the law, even a small pic deserves just as much protection as a 3 hour video, so allowing anyone to post on a forum or social media site would not be possible if you want total protection from piracy

How much of yours can I steal before you call the police?

The problem is people saying one thing and doing the absolute opposite.

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

No one's fucked up this industry more than the people in this industry.

I'm not going to revisit the insane pro-tube vs anti-tube battle again, but if any of you still believe that giving away unlimited porn, while trying to SELL PORN, is a brilliant business plan, then I don't know what to say.

Piracy sucks, but it is only a portion of the revenue loss. The bulk of the loss is self-inflicted.

Now all of the "small government conservatives" here, are so confused that they are willing to allow BIGGER government to step in and play Daddy for us.

It's a trojan horse I tell you!

Don't flatter yourself or porn. This law is about big businesses protecting their property. Not this Ma & Pa industry. OK little extreme, still Microsoft and that level lose more in a day than the entire porn industry does in a month. And that's who it's going to get passed for.

Porn will have to suck it up and adapt to the new laws.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

I see one problem with this, If they block pirate sites from the US People who live in the US wont see their content on the pirate sites anymore but it will still be there sitting on the internet on a server in some other country. It kinda defeats the whole idea of policing your own content.

The piracy sites are largely supported by advertisers who want US traffic. It will hurt their advertising revenue. By a lot.

When the EU follows it will be goodbye piracy sites that live off advertising.

This law is going through, or one like it. It's to protect proper business like Microsoft and industries like software in the US and US tax revenues. So get used to it. All your crying and moaning counts for nothing. No one's listening to you. Or the mainstream piracy sites. do you think they listen to muggers and bank robbers when they pass a law for mugging and bank robbery? Get real people.

The effect on sites that advertise to get US surfers will be immense.

How will it change the way we live? Well if you don't use other peoples content to make money, or to get something for free that you shouldn't have. Not much. If you do and I suspect many of the anti bill people do. Then it will effect you.

I doubt it will turn the clock back, too much money has been spent to make porn free. Legal free Tube sites like pornhub, which will go legal, will make millions in advertising revenues. Less places to advertise = charge more money.

So maybe sites that advertise on piracy sites will have to spend more. Or will they spend the same in less places?

Manwin could be behind this bill.

SpicyM · 11-17-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

The reason you dumb shits are allowed to put porn on the internet is because of FREEDOM.

When that is gone, Porn will be on the short list of things not allowed on the internet anymore.

Censorship is what makes us money. Banning or limiting porn in some countries actually opens the doors to serious webmasters and AVS sites who could make millions from legit porn buyers that way.

Forbidden fruits taste the best!

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

I see one problem with this, If they block pirate sites from the US People who live in the US wont see their content on the pirate sites anymore but it will still be there sitting on the internet on a server in some other country. It kinda defeats the whole idea of policing your own content.

I am fully for stronger copyright protections, and I'm totally against piracy, but without reading a final draft of this bill (which doesn't exist yet) this thread is all about speculation and assumption.

These new proposed bills will effect porn, but that is not what I believe the underlying purpose is. I'm not optimistic about any of this at all. It smells a lot like censorship to me - artistic and more importantly, political.

Robbie · 11-17-2011, 02:01 PM

I think that all creative people in all industries are already being censored by piracy.

How many great songwriters, musicians, film makers, artists, etc are lost to us because they can no longer make a living from their work?

That's not me just speculating either. In the porn biz I have a friend who is sitting on hundreds of hardcore scenes he has been shooting because he knows that the minute he releases any of it, it will be pirated and worthless.

A strong anti-piracy law and he could move forward with his work.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I think that all creative people in all industries are already being censored by piracy.

How many great songwriters, musicians, film makers, artists, etc are lost to us because they can no longer make a living from their work?

That's not me just speculating either. In the porn biz I have a friend who is sitting on hundreds of hardcore scenes he has been shooting because he knows that the minute he releases any of it, it will be pirated and worthless.

A strong anti-piracy law and he could move forward with his work.

Pink Floyd sat in a studio for months, after rehearsing and trying out songs at home. It took time and the end result is a piece of musical history. Only a small part because this wasn't a one off. Bands and musicians had time to create great albums. Beatles, Who, Genesis, Zeppelin and many many more. Today they don't have the time or budget.

tony286 · 11-17-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Pink Floyd sat in a studio for months, after rehearsing and trying out songs at home. It took time and the end result is a piece of musical history. Only a small part because this wasn't a one off. Bands and musicians had time to create great albums. Beatles, Who, Genesis, Zeppelin and many many more. Today they don't have the time or budget.

Sgt Pepper took over 12 months and Tommy took 8 months. They also had an advantage you could release only singles not attached to a full album. Pete Townsend threw together I can see for miles because they needed something to throw out there while creating Tommy.
Also record companies grew talent, it wasnt expected your first record to be a huge success.

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 03:48 PM

I don't really understand these music industry/porn industry comparisons.

Porn is nowhere near as redeeming as music, and no one takes 8 months to film a porn video. Even if they did, what would be the point?

As far as piracy and revenue goes... a band can come together today, write some great tunes, GIVE THEM ALL AWAY FOR FREE, INTENTIONALLY, and still make bank performing live in venues around the world.

That's not how porn works, so the comparison is just not really valid.

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 05:09 PM

Google Warns Lawmakers That Online Piracy Bill Could Depress Investment

Google Inc warned U.S. lawmakers on Wednesday that proposed legislation to crack down on foreign websites selling pirated U.S. movies, music or other counterfeit goods goes too far and could depress investment.

The legislation has pit Internet giants, consumer groups and first amendment advocates against the U.S. copyright industries, including Hollywood studios and record labels, who have long argued for tougher protection.

A U.S. House of Representatives bill would allow a private party to go straight to a website's advertising and payment providers and request they sever ties.

"A corporation, a copyright 'troll,' or anyone with an axe to grind could send a notice... without first involving law enforcement or triggering any judicial process," Google policy counsel Katherine Oyama told a House Judiciary Committee hearing.

She urged lawmakers to instead work on legislation that cuts off revenue to rogue sites via the courts and avoids the "collateral damage" built into the current form of the bill.

more here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ref=technology

Robbie · 11-17-2011, 05:13 PM

What do you expect Google to say?

Copying and pasting something from a company that this bill could potentially hurt their income doesn't mean anything.

Meanwhile...thousands of businesses from various industries are having their livelihoods destroyed, laying off employees, and in some cases shutting down.

MakingItPay · 11-17-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Google Warns Lawmakers That Online Piracy Bill Could Depress Investment

Google Inc warned U.S. lawmakers on Wednesday that proposed legislation to crack down on foreign websites selling pirated U.S. movies, music or other counterfeit goods goes too far and could depress investment.

The legislation has pit Internet giants, consumer groups and first amendment advocates against the U.S. copyright industries, including Hollywood studios and record labels, who have long argued for tougher protection.

A U.S. House of Representatives bill would allow a private party to go straight to a website's advertising and payment providers and request they sever ties.

"A corporation, a copyright 'troll,' or anyone with an axe to grind could send a notice... without first involving law enforcement or triggering any judicial process," Google policy counsel Katherine Oyama told a House Judiciary Committee hearing.

She urged lawmakers to instead work on legislation that cuts off revenue to rogue sites via the courts and avoids the "collateral damage" built into the current form of the bill.

more here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ref=technology

Some of that revenue is generated by google listing pirate sites high in the rankings.
I wish they would police that, but that is censorship right?

Diomed · 11-17-2011, 05:19 PM

Do you think for a second these lawmakers are going to pass up an opportunity to slip in some collateral damage and overkill?

The ideal of the bill at heart might be a good one, but as said before.. the devil is in the details.. they will fuck us the first chance they get by slipping in some extra yardage.

Even if people agree with the general tone of it, surely they must know the overall affect will be a negative one?

I VOTE FUCK CENSORSHIP, we worked too hard to get our wee bit of freedoms.

MakingItPay · 11-17-2011, 05:26 PM

Censorship is bad. Stopping pirates is not censorship, it is law enforcement. If you produce things that get taken from you and shared against your will, and you don't earn money on piracy, then you will appreciate anything the government can do in your favor.

BFT3K · 11-17-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Censorship is bad. Stopping pirates is not censorship, it is law enforcement. If you produce things that get taken from you and shared against your will, and you don't earn money on piracy, then you will appreciate anything the government can do in your favor.

I don't think anyone is arguing with you.

The concern is how the bills are ultimately written and implemented.

You know, don't throw the baby out with the bath water, etc.

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	The Patriot Act was designed to protect our freedom too. The idea behind the bill is generally a good one, but a power-grab is lying in the grass. I can imagine the heart of this idea fitting on maybe one or two pages of legal text. The current version is already 70 pages, and who knows how much it will grow and change by the end. Last edited by BFT3K; 11-16-2011 at 09:30 PM..

11-16-2011, 09:42 PM	#59
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11-16-2011, 09:47 PM	#60
SmutHammer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,139	why does everyone keep saying the government doesn't like porn? take away the pirating, and just imagine the taxes paid...

11-17-2011, 12:16 AM	#61
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	No one's fucked up this industry more than the people in this industry. I'm not going to revisit the insane pro-tube vs anti-tube battle again, but if any of you still believe that giving away unlimited porn, while trying to SELL PORN, is a brilliant business plan, then I don't know what to say. Piracy sucks, but it is only a portion of the revenue loss. The bulk of the loss is self-inflicted. Now all of the "small government conservatives" here, are so confused that they are willing to allow BIGGER government to step in and play Daddy for us. It's a trojan horse I tell you!

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11-17-2011, 09:27 AM	#77
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11-17-2011, 09:32 AM	#78
iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	I get that the problem is real, but forcing ISP's hosts and etc. to police the internet and giving the DOJ authority to shut down websites with no due process is not the solution. And if you think pirated porn is what they are after then you are fucking deluded. The TSA is looking for nothing in the world but drugs all the while crying about "terrorism bla bla bla african guy blew up his penis on a plane, so dump that water bottle and give me your nail clippers". This is nothing but the government wanting more control over the internet after watching governments topple all over the world with the help of social networking.

11-17-2011, 11:28 AM	#82
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	I see one problem with this, If they block pirate sites from the US People who live in the US wont see their content on the pirate sites anymore but it will still be there sitting on the internet on a server in some other country. It kinda defeats the whole idea of policing your own content. __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net Last edited by halfpint; 11-17-2011 at 11:30 AM..

11-17-2011, 11:43 AM	#83
Dcat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,607	This has very little to do with "piracy," it's just sold that way for people not paying attention. SOPA, and the expansion of CFAA amount to an all out war on Internet freedom by the federal government. They are losing the propaganda war, and they need to start heavily censoring the Internet now. Get ready.. Very similar legislation is being worked on, or is already being implemented, in most Western countries.

11-17-2011, 02:01 PM	#91
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I think that all creative people in all industries are already being censored by piracy. How many great songwriters, musicians, film makers, artists, etc are lost to us because they can no longer make a living from their work? That's not me just speculating either. In the porn biz I have a friend who is sitting on hundreds of hardcore scenes he has been shooting because he knows that the minute he releases any of it, it will be pirated and worthless. A strong anti-piracy law and he could move forward with his work. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

11-17-2011, 03:48 PM	#94
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	I don't really understand these music industry/porn industry comparisons. Porn is nowhere near as redeeming as music, and no one takes 8 months to film a porn video. Even if they did, what would be the point? As far as piracy and revenue goes... a band can come together today, write some great tunes, GIVE THEM ALL AWAY FOR FREE, INTENTIONALLY, and still make bank performing live in venues around the world. That's not how porn works, so the comparison is just not really valid.

11-17-2011, 05:09 PM	#95
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Google Warns Lawmakers That Online Piracy Bill Could Depress Investment Google Inc warned U.S. lawmakers on Wednesday that proposed legislation to crack down on foreign websites selling pirated U.S. movies, music or other counterfeit goods goes too far and could depress investment. The legislation has pit Internet giants, consumer groups and first amendment advocates against the U.S. copyright industries, including Hollywood studios and record labels, who have long argued for tougher protection. A U.S. House of Representatives bill would allow a private party to go straight to a website's advertising and payment providers and request they sever ties. "A corporation, a copyright 'troll,' or anyone with an axe to grind could send a notice... without first involving law enforcement or triggering any judicial process," Google policy counsel Katherine Oyama told a House Judiciary Committee hearing. She urged lawmakers to instead work on legislation that cuts off revenue to rogue sites via the courts and avoids the "collateral damage" built into the current form of the bill. more here... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ref=technology

11-17-2011, 05:13 PM	#96
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	What do you expect Google to say? Copying and pasting something from a company that this bill could potentially hurt their income doesn't mean anything. Meanwhile...thousands of businesses from various industries are having their livelihoods destroyed, laying off employees, and in some cases shutting down. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

11-17-2011, 05:19 PM	#98
Diomed Converting like it's 1999 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The South Posts: 6,164	Do you think for a second these lawmakers are going to pass up an opportunity to slip in some collateral damage and overkill? The ideal of the bill at heart might be a good one, but as said before.. the devil is in the details.. they will fuck us the first chance they get by slipping in some extra yardage. Even if people agree with the general tone of it, surely they must know the overall affect will be a negative one? I VOTE FUCK CENSORSHIP, we worked too hard to get our wee bit of freedoms. __________________ 10 years of experience in: CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

11-17-2011, 05:26 PM	#99
MakingItPay Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,920	Censorship is bad. Stopping pirates is not censorship, it is law enforcement. If you produce things that get taken from you and shared against your will, and you don't earn money on piracy, then you will appreciate anything the government can do in your favor. __________________ Giant Boob High Def Trifectas http://www.TrifectaBucks.com 3D Super Sites that Sell http://www.ThrillBucks.com Giant Boobs Anyone? http://www.MakingitPay.com ICQ me at 213177906