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That being said his "crap" pictures are better then your best that the point.
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looks like when U R bored a bit you just open a thread about Paul and thats it.
Anyway to bring my oppinion as a photog. The only thing I can comment is Michael Ancher issue here - Michael is top top photog - 1 of the really best guys behind the camera.I guess that twistys pics shown here is made by Dean Capture I think - its the same league - none of them is better or worse - both are the top pros.
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Nice one Paul! You showed that neither Damian or GideonGallery are in this business, have any idea about what is good, and in Damian's case he just says the opposite of anything you say. That showed the true colors of their idiocy and I'm so glad I have both of them on ignore because they are both idiots. (I know what they said from people quoting it) |
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I'm not talking whether or not it makes YOUR cock hard or not. I'm saying making a SALE (which is what you said). I honestly don't believe that a picture like that would make me one dollar for a new sale. It would be a nice filler pic to have in the members area to help encourage rebills as one of a million pictures or the first "pretty girl" shot before she gets fucked hard. But an actual SALE? I don't think so. Great artsy pictures can't sell a porn site by themselves for sure. Maybe as a small part of the overall selling point. But if I don't see a sweaty pic of that whore getting anal drilled by a black basketball team...I ain't pulling my credit card out. lol |
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babe / softcore/ art nude sells excellent if you have that traffic. this is adult webmastering 101 stuff.
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"That traffic" Dude, I had "that traffic" and a lot more. You are clueless..go back to "adult webmastering" school and leave this to the pro's. It did not sell in any amount as much as hardcore..ever. That's why no softcore site was ever as "big" as a gonzo "Bang Bus" or "Milf Hunter" site was. There was no comparison. I'm sure that you could sell enough to a softcore site back in the day to make the kind of money you are used to. But we had a lot more traffic and made a lot more money than just about anyone as affiliates. And I saw what sold in every niche across the board. We had every niche running on AL4A and then I archived it into categories on Ampland. I don't need YOU to try and tell me shit about what sells. I have a "babe" category. I see what it does in comparison. Yes, softcore sells. No, it doesn't sell anywhere close to hardcore. |
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thought i was on ignore.
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A thread filled with grumpy old men.
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By the way...I said that one PICTURE wasn't going to help make a sale. You are so fucking dumb. Softcore sites do sell...but not enough to even come close to hardcore sales overall. I'm looking at the big picture. You are looking at a very, very small picture because you are hardly even in this business to begin with. |
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Damn, slaughtered me on a timezone. You win. Oh, wait...
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Except when trying to find where damian actually said Ancher's pics were shit, obviously. Still, you sure saw him & gideon for the idiots they were! Oh, wait...
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Just a question on the hardcore / softcore....
If you get 10 hardcore sales from 1000 clicks or 2 softcore sales from a 1000 clicks is not the point to filter the traffic in suc a way as to get all 12 sales ? Are not all sales important ? Some shops have lots of clients others have less....but all sales are good  |
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You are pathetic. Enjoy your ability to babble on GFY...it's all you have. Meanwhile I'll continue living in my home, driving my car, and living my lifestyle because I actually know what I'm doing in this business and I'm better than most at making money in it. Have fun with whatever it is you think you do. |
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As a professional content producer for 3 decades it was easy to spot where the content was letting down the site. Too many of the images were repeated, too many in portrait framing when screens now are wide screen format and lots of the poses were simply wrong. With the videos, a lot of them were of the girls standing up, which in widescreen HD makes for a great shot of the room and a small girl. The success or failure of the video relied on the model's performance. Few shooters were dictating to the model how she worked. So I got the impression the girls did "their thing" which with LA porn stars usually means auto pilot. One shooter seemed too interested in getting the room lights to glow in his images, which means shooting at such a wide aperture when the picture is full size it's out of focus. And the "depth of focus" is very low. The site updated with 3 sets and 2 videos every day. By updating less and better, it would mean a better members area. Size isn't everything, even in porn. jimmycooper debating with GG on content subjects is like debating with me on flying a jet engine. Except content is more over his head than a jet is over mine. |
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Our "traffic" was/is REAL people interested in something and clicking on it of their own free will. And given a CHOICE, side by side of something to buy...I found over the years that the overwhelming majority went for the hardcore stuff. Yes, we had so many surfers from 1997 to around 2007/2008 (when the mass exodus from TGP to tube/torrent/fileshare in porn began) that we were still able to make a few thousand dollars a month on softcore. So "yes" all sales are important. All I was ever saying was in response to the post that implied that a nice picture of a hot girl in lingerie would make significant sales. In my experience that ONE picture wouldn't make one sale. Not one dollar. Put it in context in a series of pics with her stripping down and let the viewer know there is a corresponding video of that girl doing some passionate masturbation..and it has the potential to make a "softcore" sale.  |
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paul you are so clueless it hurts. people rebilled because of the constant updates. twistys had amazing rebills. if they followed your advice shap would be on the dole as like you intead of retired.
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robbie you had generic hardcore traffic, not babe or art nude traffic. why is that so hard to understand?
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Everything is about the "Quality" of the product. If the samples, "Knock the guys socks off." It gets more clicks, it gets more conversions and it gets longer retention. Because. Producing that kind of content is hard and costs more. Because others pay more, the guys who can produce charge more. And that factor not only has a big effect on the surfer. It makes duplicating the site very tough. Giving the surfer more reason to sign up and more reason to stay. and that's why earnings on some companies galleries were better than others. Once you go the route so many did, with content that was easily copied. The surfer had so many options. It hurt all those with easily copied content and the solution for many was just more traffic. When you have a hole in your bucket, the solution isn't to pour more water in. It's to fix the hole. The problem is the repair kit to fix the bucket cost more than water, because water is free. |
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You show me what you are in your posts. Your lack of knowledge about this business shows me you are ignorant. Your disrespect shows me WHY you are ignorant and why you are doomed to stay at your level the rest of your life. |
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Paul is right I ran twistys into the ground and I'm very thankful for the life preserver Fabian threw me it saved me from drowning
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Paul I was a nobody when I started twistys. No bro status.
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And I'm telling you that between 1997 and 2007/2008 my "Babe" section got more traffic than any entire softcore site that you know of. And we made a few grand a month of off those sales. Compare that to what we made off of the "Hardcore", "Anal", "Big Tits", "Milf", and "Teen" category pages it wasn't even in the ballpark. It was more in the ballpark of our "Redhead", "Shemale", "Ass", and "Black" categories. |
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For example http://www.wehateporn.com/2010/07/15...he-first-time/
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As a professional content producer for 3 decades it was easy to spot where the content was letting down the site.QUOTE] You mean to say you took photographs for magazines. Magazine that not only were not interested in photography, but wanted the same boring bland photos over and over again. Magazines run by editors lacking in any visual skills. Photography that is now dated dull and uninteresting. You were never trained as a photographer. You have never read any books on photography. You have never won any awards as a photographer. And as a video maker you have no expertise at all, the recent scene you shot was a train wreck. You don't even know how editing programs work. Your scene would not even get you an interview to get into a film school. So why do you keep talking about other peoples work like you know something? Or only comment when people post "Is this photo suitable for publication in a jazz mag in 1985?" |
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want proof search for his idea on how he would make nat's tube sites a success he basically argued that the would mininova the site (use mininova failed go legit process) on the tube site. he not only thought copying someone elses failed process would work but he thought it was a brilliant innovative idea
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You did a great job promoting Twistys and had a good crew that you were smart enough to hire. I remember doing pretty well back when you had that one promo tool where you had a different girl every day or week (can't remember if it was daily or weekly) who did a little promo vid. It changed dynamically on your end to a different girl the next day (or week...my foggy memory) I used to put that up on the main page of Ampland and leave it on "auto-pilot" and it would make a few sales each week like clockwork. Another "softcore" site that sold UNGODLY amounts was Lightspeed's Tawny Stone when she first came out. She just had that "it" factor. I put this tiny ass 120x60 button on the left hand side of our main page and it would make 50 to 75 sales a week off of that. Even though I do maintain that hardcore outsells softcore in general...there are always exceptions to the rule. Always. |
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http://adultmarketing.co.uk/ 5 references to me. And some to Gary on the first page. He's a marketing man promoting himself. And too stupid to realise this isn't the way to do it. At least GG is bright enough not to show us what he does. Good night guys, tomorrow will pick this up. |
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Damian's site and knowledge are pretty pathetic when it comes to marketing.
One of my brothers is in the car business. And THOSE guys can sell shit. And sitting with my brother looking over the details of marketing with a car dealership is pretty educating. This is the movie that all car dealers and salesmen love to watch. And if you ever watch it you begin to really understand the psychology of how to sell to people: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0199054/ To me it was like watching what I already knew because I've been in entertainment/showbiz since I was a child. So everything has always been "carny" and "working" people and promoting and entertaining. I get people everyday...program owners, solo girl sites, porn girls...wanting me to take over their stuff and make them money. They can't figure out how I do what I do with CM's site. And the answer is really easy. It's my entire life of being in show biz. A front man, a song and dance man, etc. You either have "it" and get the experience needed in life to supplement that ability...or you don't. It's how I do what I do. While some guys are poring over stats and making painfully long decisions on what color to use for the background...I'm up and running circles around them off of what I instinctively know my audiences want. Reading that stuff on Damian's site...it's pretty generic. And I'm sure he is helpful to some folks and gets them to a level that they think is really good. I look at it and know that a guy like Damian would walk into a bar full of car dealers and try to tell them about marketing and be laughed out of the building. Replace "car dealers" with any of my managers/agents of my bands over the years and the same thing would happen. It's why most things in this world fail. If everyone was good...there would be no "winners". So thanks to the Damians and Gideons of the world, I get to look really good while I'm making all this money. lol |
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according to you it would have changed the entire industry for the better and made who ever accepted the savior of the industry hell why not use all those millions you earned as an affiliate to buy porn hub and put it thru your magic make over. Quote:
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