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  • gideongallery
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2003
    • 7082
    #51
    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    gideongallery you're an idiot. Michael consistently shot and sold to Penthouse and Playboy. If you had a clue about porn you would know that.
    moron i never said he didn't

    are you seriously trying to claim that because some of the pictures of a photographer are featured in penthouse and playboy every single thing they shoot meets that standard

    that they are perfect every single time.

    you picked a shoot that was at the low end,
    i said he didn't sell every single pictureto penthouse and playboy. There were pictures which didn't meet those standards.

    That being said his "crap" pictures are better then your best that the point.

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      • epitome
        So Fucking Lame
        • Jun 2009
        • 12156
        #52
        Markham has officially gone bat shit crazy.

        Poor fella.

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          • Nydahl
            Confirmed User
            • Sep 2002
            • 6655
            #53
            looks like when U R bored a bit you just open a thread about Paul and thats it.
            Anyway to bring my oppinion as a photog.
            The only thing I can comment is Michael Ancher issue here - Michael is top top photog - 1 of the really best guys behind the camera.I guess that twistys pics shown here is made by Dean Capture I think - its the same league - none of them is better or worse - both are the top pros.
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              • Nydahl
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                • Sep 2002
                • 6655
                #54
                Originally posted by Nydahl
                looks like when U R bored a bit you just open a thread about Paul and thats it.
                Anyway to bring my oppinion as a photog.
                The only thing I can comment is Michael Ancher issue here - Michael is top top photog - 1 of the really best guys behind the camera.I guess that twistys pics shown here is made by Dean Capture I think - its the same league - none of them is better or worse - both are the top pros.
                see was Jayrock - the same applies
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                  • Robbie
                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 20960
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                    I would say it's a lot better than Twistys.

                    And so it should be, this is Michael Ancher's content. A Penthouse and Playboy level shooter. He's in the top levels of shooting this kind of porn.

                    At no time did I indicate it was shot by any of us.
                    LOL!

                    Nice one Paul! You showed that neither Damian or GideonGallery are in this business, have any idea about what is good, and in Damian's case he just says the opposite of anything you say.

                    That showed the true colors of their idiocy and I'm so glad I have both of them on ignore because they are both idiots. (I know what they said from people quoting it)
                    -Robbie
                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                      • Robbie
                        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 20960
                        #56
                        Originally posted by rogueteens
                        One of the hottest pictures ever posted on GFY - and people say that non-nude/softcore doesnt sell
                        Have you made a sale with that kind of content? "Babe" softcore stuff like that never sold for us at even 1/100th the amounts that hardcore stuff did. And in today's "everything is free" market...I wonder what it would do now?

                        I'm not talking whether or not it makes YOUR cock hard or not. I'm saying making a SALE (which is what you said). I honestly don't believe that a picture like that would make me one dollar for a new sale. It would be a nice filler pic to have in the members area to help encourage rebills as one of a million pictures or the first "pretty girl" shot before she gets fucked hard.

                        But an actual SALE? I don't think so. Great artsy pictures can't sell a porn site by themselves for sure. Maybe as a small part of the overall selling point. But if I don't see a sweaty pic of that whore getting anal drilled by a black basketball team...I ain't pulling my credit card out. lol
                        Last edited by Robbie; 10-23-2011, 12:47 PM.
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                          • Jel
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 6904
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Robbie
                            LOL!

                            Nice one Paul! You showed that neither Damian or GideonGallery are in this business, have any idea about what is good, and in Damian's case he just says the opposite of anything you say.

                            That showed the true colors of their idiocy and I'm so glad I have both of them on ignore because they are both idiots. (I know what they said from people quoting it)
                            I missed the quote where damian said the Ancher pics were shit, can you point me to it?

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                              • porno jew
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 10166
                                #58
                                babe / softcore/ art nude sells excellent if you have that traffic. this is adult webmastering 101 stuff.

                                Originally posted by Robbie
                                Have you made a sale with that kind of content? "Babe" softcore stuff like that never sold for us at even 1/100th the amounts that hardcore stuff did. And in today's "everything is free" market...I wonder what it would do now?

                                I'm not talking whether or not it makes YOUR cock hard or not. I'm saying making a SALE (which is what you said). I honestly don't believe that a picture like that would make me one dollar for a new sale. It would be a nice filler pic to have in the members area to help encourage rebills as one of a million pictures or the first "pretty girl" shot before she gets fucked hard.

                                But an actual SALE? I don't think so. Great artsy pictures can't sell a porn site by themselves for sure. Maybe as a small part of the overall selling point. But if I don't see a sweaty pic of that whore getting anal drilled by a black basketball team...I ain't pulling my credit card out. lol

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                                  • Robbie
                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 20960
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Jel
                                    I missed the quote where damian said the Ancher pics were shit, can you point me to it?
                                    I wouldn't point you to a fucking water hose if you were on fire
                                    -Robbie
                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                      • Jel
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2007
                                        • 6904
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                        I wouldn't point you to a fucking water hose if you were on fire
                                        So that's a no then. That'll be because he didn't actually say it anywhere

                                        ps softcore doesn't sell either

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                                          • jimmycooper
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2010
                                            • 4016
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by gideongallery
                                            moron i never said he didn't



                                            i said he didn't sell every single pictureto penthouse and playboy. There were pictures which didn't meet those standards.

                                            That being said his "crap" pictures are better then your best that the point.
                                            Can we some some of your stuff?

                                            Originally posted by Robbie
                                            Have you made a sale with that kind of content? "Babe" softcore stuff like that never sold for us at even 1/100th the amounts that hardcore stuff did. And in today's "everything is free" market...I wonder what it would do now?

                                            I'm not talking whether or not it makes YOUR cock hard or not. I'm saying making a SALE (which is what you said). I honestly don't believe that a picture like that would make me one dollar for a new sale. It would be a nice filler pic to have in the members area to help encourage rebills as one of a million pictures or the first "pretty girl" shot before she gets fucked hard.

                                            But an actual SALE? I don't think so. Great artsy pictures can't sell a porn site by themselves for sure. Maybe as a small part of the overall selling point. But if I don't see a sweaty pic of that whore getting anal drilled by a black basketball team...I ain't pulling my credit card out. lol
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                                              • Robbie
                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 20960
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by porno jew
                                                babe / softcore/ art nude sells excellent if you have that traffic. this is adult webmastering 101 stuff.
                                                So how many sells have you made with it oh wise one?

                                                "That traffic"
                                                Dude, I had "that traffic" and a lot more. You are clueless..go back to "adult webmastering" school and leave this to the pro's.

                                                It did not sell in any amount as much as hardcore..ever. That's why no softcore site was ever as "big" as a gonzo "Bang Bus" or "Milf Hunter" site was. There was no comparison.

                                                I'm sure that you could sell enough to a softcore site back in the day to make the kind of money you are used to. But we had a lot more traffic and made a lot more money than just about anyone as affiliates. And I saw what sold in every niche across the board.

                                                We had every niche running on AL4A and then I archived it into categories on Ampland.
                                                I don't need YOU to try and tell me shit about what sells. I have a "babe" category. I see what it does in comparison.
                                                Yes, softcore sells. No, it doesn't sell anywhere close to hardcore.
                                                -Robbie
                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                  • Robbie
                                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 20960
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Jel
                                                    So that's a no then. That'll be because he didn't actually say it anywhere

                                                    ps softcore doesn't sell either
                                                    p.s. You're an idiot
                                                    -Robbie
                                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                      • porno jew
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Nov 2006
                                                        • 10166
                                                        #64
                                                        thought i was on ignore.

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                                                          • Jel
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                            • 6904
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Robbie
                                                            I'm saying making a SALE (which is what you said). I honestly don't believe that a picture like that would make me one dollar for a new sale.
                                                            Originally posted by Robbie
                                                            Yes, softcore sells.
                                                            Been on the sniff tonight?

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                                                              • Robbie
                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                • 20960
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by porno jew
                                                                thought i was on ignore.
                                                                You are. I took you off to see what you had to say. Now I'm putting you back on.
                                                                -Robbie
                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                  • V_RocKs
                                                                    Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                    • 32449
                                                                    #67
                                                                    A thread filled with grumpy old men.

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                                                                      • Robbie
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                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                        • 20960
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Jel
                                                                        Been on the sniff tonight?
                                                                        It's daytime here in Vegas. And you are still a jackass.

                                                                        By the way...I said that one PICTURE wasn't going to help make a sale. You are so fucking dumb. Softcore sites do sell...but not enough to even come close to hardcore sales overall. I'm looking at the big picture.
                                                                        You are looking at a very, very small picture because you are hardly even in this business to begin with.
                                                                        Last edited by Robbie; 10-23-2011, 01:02 PM.
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                                                                          • Jel
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                                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                                            • 6904
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Damn, slaughtered me on a timezone. You win. Oh, wait...

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                                                                              • Robbie
                                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                • 20960
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Jel
                                                                                You win.
                                                                                It ain't hard to win when dealing with you.
                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                  • Jel
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Feb 2007
                                                                                    • 6904
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Except when trying to find where damian actually said Ancher's pics were shit, obviously. Still, you sure saw him & gideon for the idiots they were! Oh, wait...

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                                                                                      • MaDalton
                                                                                        I am Amazing Content!
                                                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                                                        • 39861
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                        That with respect was your problem. Your daily spend on updates would of been enough to have less quantity and a higher quality. Not only you, the obsession online had with quantity over quality was clear on many sites. Now they all have content that rarely stands out.

                                                                                        Getting a "babe" shot by someone who isn't at the top of their game, so you can go quantity over quality is wrong. You want to stand above the rest of the pack, employ a shooter others can't employ or whose work isn't able to be duplicated. IMO.

                                                                                        I know you will tell me how well you did, could you have done better with member staying longer, eager to get tomorrows update?
                                                                                        man, man, man...

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                                                                                          • Cherry7
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                                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                                            • 3564
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Just a question on the hardcore / softcore....

                                                                                            If you get 10 hardcore sales from 1000 clicks

                                                                                            or

                                                                                            2 softcore sales from a 1000 clicks is not the point to filter the traffic in suc a way as to get all 12 sales ?

                                                                                            Are not all sales important ?

                                                                                            Some shops have lots of clients others have less....but all sales are good
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                                                                                              • Robbie
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                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 20960
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by Jel
                                                                                                Oh, wait...
                                                                                                that your new tagline?

                                                                                                You are pathetic. Enjoy your ability to babble on GFY...it's all you have. Meanwhile I'll continue living in my home, driving my car, and living my lifestyle because I actually know what I'm doing in this business and I'm better than most at making money in it.

                                                                                                Have fun with whatever it is you think you do.
                                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by jimmycooper
                                                                                                    Websites like that do exist. Some do well and some don't.
                                                                                                    Twistys had what most others didn't the "Bro" status of Shap and a lot of traffic that followed.

                                                                                                    As a professional content producer for 3 decades it was easy to spot where the content was letting down the site. Too many of the images were repeated, too many in portrait framing when screens now are wide screen format and lots of the poses were simply wrong.

                                                                                                    With the videos, a lot of them were of the girls standing up, which in widescreen HD makes for a great shot of the room and a small girl. The success or failure of the video relied on the model's performance. Few shooters were dictating to the model how she worked. So I got the impression the girls did "their thing" which with LA porn stars usually means auto pilot.

                                                                                                    One shooter seemed too interested in getting the room lights to glow in his images, which means shooting at such a wide aperture when the picture is full size it's out of focus. And the "depth of focus" is very low.

                                                                                                    The site updated with 3 sets and 2 videos every day. By updating less and better, it would mean a better members area. Size isn't everything, even in porn.

                                                                                                    jimmycooper debating with GG on content subjects is like debating with me on flying a jet engine. Except content is more over his head than a jet is over mine.



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                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                        LOL!

                                                                                                        Nice one Paul! You showed that neither Damian or GideonGallery are in this business, have any idea about what is good, and in Damian's case he just says the opposite of anything you say.

                                                                                                        That showed the true colors of their idiocy and I'm so glad I have both of them on ignore because they are both idiots. (I know what they said from people quoting it)
                                                                                                        Damian is truly stupid. He didn't see me goading him into doing something dumb.

                                                                                                        "Go on do it, stick your head into the lions mouth. You don't have the guts."

                                                                                                        At what point do you stop and think about it?

                                                                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                        Have you made a sale with that kind of content? "Babe" softcore stuff like that never sold for us at even 1/100th the amounts that hardcore stuff did. And in today's "everything is free" market...I wonder what it would do now?

                                                                                                        I'm not talking whether or not it makes YOUR cock hard or not. I'm saying making a SALE (which is what you said). I honestly don't believe that a picture like that would make me one dollar for a new sale. It would be a nice filler pic to have in the members area to help encourage rebills as one of a million pictures or the first "pretty girl" shot before she gets fucked hard.

                                                                                                        But an actual SALE? I don't think so. Great artsy pictures can't sell a porn site by themselves for sure. Maybe as a small part of the overall selling point. But if I don't see a sweaty pic of that whore getting anal drilled by a black basketball team...I ain't pulling my credit card out. lol
                                                                                                        I would of said it was over exposed, but maybe that was deliberate. you never know with some shooters.
                                                                                                        Last edited by Paul Markham; 10-23-2011, 01:22 PM.



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                                                                                                          • Robbie
                                                                                                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                            • 20960
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Cherry7
                                                                                                            Just a question on the hardcore / softcore....

                                                                                                            If you get 10 hardcore sales from 1000 clicks

                                                                                                            or

                                                                                                            2 softcore sales from a 1000 clicks is not the point to filter the traffic in suc a way as to get all 12 sales ?

                                                                                                            Are not all sales important ?

                                                                                                            Some shops have lots of clients others have less....but all sales are good
                                                                                                            We didn't have to "filter" any "traffic"
                                                                                                            Our "traffic" was/is REAL people interested in something and clicking on it of their own free will.

                                                                                                            And given a CHOICE, side by side of something to buy...I found over the years that the overwhelming majority went for the hardcore stuff.
                                                                                                            Yes, we had so many surfers from 1997 to around 2007/2008 (when the mass exodus from TGP to tube/torrent/fileshare in porn began) that we were still able to make a few thousand dollars a month on softcore.

                                                                                                            So "yes" all sales are important.

                                                                                                            All I was ever saying was in response to the post that implied that a nice picture of a hot girl in lingerie would make significant sales.
                                                                                                            In my experience that ONE picture wouldn't make one sale. Not one dollar.

                                                                                                            Put it in context in a series of pics with her stripping down and let the viewer know there is a corresponding video of that girl doing some passionate masturbation..and it has the potential to make a "softcore" sale.
                                                                                                            -Robbie
                                                                                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                              • porno jew
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Nov 2006
                                                                                                                • 10166
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                paul you are so clueless it hurts. people rebilled because of the constant updates. twistys had amazing rebills. if they followed your advice shap would be on the dole as like you intead of retired.

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                                                                                                                  • porno jew
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • Nov 2006
                                                                                                                    • 10166
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    robbie you had generic hardcore traffic, not babe or art nude traffic. why is that so hard to understand?

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                                                                                                                      • Jel
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                        • 6904
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                        that your new tagline?

                                                                                                                        You are pathetic. Enjoy your ability to babble on GFY...it's all you have. Meanwhile I'll continue living in my home, driving my car, and living my lifestyle because I actually know what I'm doing in this business and I'm better than most at making money in it.

                                                                                                                        Have fun with whatever it is you think you do.



                                                                                                                        You have a home AND a car AND a lifestyle? Fuck, you da man!

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                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                            We didn't have to "filter" any "traffic"
                                                                                                                            Our "traffic" was/is REAL people interested in something and clicking on it of their own free will.

                                                                                                                            And given a CHOICE, side by side of something to buy...I found over the years that the overwhelming majority went for the hardcore stuff.
                                                                                                                            Yes, we had so many surfers from 1997 to around 2007/2008 (when the mass exodus from TGP to tube/torrent/fileshare in porn began) that we were still able to make a few thousand dollars a month on softcore.

                                                                                                                            So "yes" all sales are important.

                                                                                                                            All I was ever saying was in response to the post that implied that a nice picture of a hot girl in lingerie would make significant sales.
                                                                                                                            In my experience that ONE picture wouldn't make one sale. Not one dollar.

                                                                                                                            Put it in context in a series of pics with her stripping down and let the viewer know there is a corresponding video of that girl doing some passionate masturbation..and it has the potential to make a "softcore" sale.
                                                                                                                            It should work in theory. In practice in online it didn't work so well.

                                                                                                                            Everything is about the "Quality" of the product. If the samples, "Knock the guys socks off." It gets more clicks, it gets more conversions and it gets longer retention.

                                                                                                                            Because.

                                                                                                                            Producing that kind of content is hard and costs more. Because others pay more, the guys who can produce charge more. And that factor not only has a big effect on the surfer. It makes duplicating the site very tough. Giving the surfer more reason to sign up and more reason to stay.

                                                                                                                            and that's why earnings on some companies galleries were better than others.

                                                                                                                            Once you go the route so many did, with content that was easily copied. The surfer had so many options. It hurt all those with easily copied content and the solution for many was just more traffic.

                                                                                                                            When you have a hole in your bucket, the solution isn't to pour more water in. It's to fix the hole. The problem is the repair kit to fix the bucket cost more than water, because water is free.
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                                                                                                                              • Cherry7
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                                                                                                                                • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                • 3564
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                We didn't have to "filter" any "traffic"
                                                                                                                                Our "traffic" was/is REAL people interested in something and clicking on it of their own free will.

                                                                                                                                And given a CHOICE, side by side of something to buy...I found over the years that the overwhelming majority went for the hardcore stuff.
                                                                                                                                Yes, we had so many surfers from 1997 to around 2007/2008 (when the mass exodus from TGP to tube/torrent/fileshare in porn began) that we were still able to make a few thousand dollars a month on softcore.

                                                                                                                                So "yes" all sales are important.

                                                                                                                                All I was ever saying was in response to the post that implied that a nice picture of a hot girl in lingerie would make significant sales.
                                                                                                                                In my experience that ONE picture wouldn't make one sale. Not one dollar.

                                                                                                                                Put it in context in a series of pics with her stripping down and let the viewer know there is a corresponding video of that girl doing some passionate masturbation..and it has the potential to make a "softcore" sale.
                                                                                                                                You don't seem to understand the point I am making so I ll leave it.
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                                                                                                                                  • Robbie
                                                                                                                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 20960
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jel


                                                                                                                                    You have a home AND a car AND a lifestyle? Fuck, you da man!
                                                                                                                                    I think my concept of those three things and yours are on a very, very different scale.

                                                                                                                                    You show me what you are in your posts. Your lack of knowledge about this business shows me you are ignorant. Your disrespect shows me WHY you are ignorant and why you are doomed to stay at your level the rest of your life.
                                                                                                                                    -Robbie
                                                                                                                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                      • Shap
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 8313
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Paul is right I ran twistys into the ground and I'm very thankful for the life preserver Fabian threw me it saved me from drowning

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                                                                                                                                          • Shap
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 8313
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Paul I was a nobody when I started twistys. No bro status.

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                                                                                                                                              • Robbie
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                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 20960
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Cherry7
                                                                                                                                                You don't seem to understand the point I am making so I ll leave it.
                                                                                                                                                I understand it completely. You're saying that if I made a 100% softcore site that all the people who came to that site would be my targeted audience for that style.

                                                                                                                                                And I'm telling you that between 1997 and 2007/2008 my "Babe" section got more traffic than any entire softcore site that you know of. And we made a few grand a month of off those sales.

                                                                                                                                                Compare that to what we made off of the "Hardcore", "Anal", "Big Tits", "Milf", and "Teen" category pages it wasn't even in the ballpark.

                                                                                                                                                It was more in the ballpark of our "Redhead", "Shemale", "Ass", and "Black" categories.
                                                                                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                                  • wehateporn
                                                                                                                                                    Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                                    • 27176
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                    In my experience that ONE picture wouldn't make one sale. Not one dollar.

                                                                                                                                                    Put it in context in a series of pics with her stripping down and let the viewer know there is a corresponding video of that girl doing some passionate masturbation..and it has the potential to make a "softcore" sale.
                                                                                                                                                    When promoting soft content, I find that made up stories work very well and they wind the conversion ratio back 8 years

                                                                                                                                                    For example http://www.wehateporn.com/2010/07/15...he-first-time/
                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by wehateporn; 10-23-2011, 02:00 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                      • Cherry7
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                                        • 3564
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        [QUOTE=Paul Markham;18510444]
                                                                                                                                                        As a professional content producer for 3 decades it was easy to spot where the content was letting down the site.QUOTE]

                                                                                                                                                        You mean to say you took photographs for magazines.

                                                                                                                                                        Magazine that not only were not interested in photography, but wanted the same boring bland photos over and over again. Magazines run by editors lacking in any visual skills.

                                                                                                                                                        Photography that is now dated dull and uninteresting.

                                                                                                                                                        You were never trained as a photographer.

                                                                                                                                                        You have never read any books on photography.

                                                                                                                                                        You have never won any awards as a photographer.


                                                                                                                                                        And as a video maker you have no expertise at all, the recent scene you shot was a train wreck. You don't even know how editing programs work.

                                                                                                                                                        Your scene would not even get you an interview to get into a film school.

                                                                                                                                                        So why do you keep talking about other peoples work like you know something?

                                                                                                                                                        Or only comment when people post "Is this photo suitable for publication in a jazz mag in 1985?"
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                                                                                                                                                          • gideongallery
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 7082
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by porno jew
                                                                                                                                                            robbie you had generic hardcore traffic, not babe or art nude traffic. why is that so hard to understand?
                                                                                                                                                            because he believes he is some sort of super genius who because he was successful in old days with his tgp he knows how to do things now that the market is evolved

                                                                                                                                                            want proof search for his idea on how he would make nat's tube sites a success

                                                                                                                                                            he basically argued that the would mininova the site (use mininova failed go legit process) on the tube site.

                                                                                                                                                            he not only thought copying someone elses failed process would work but he thought it was a brilliant innovative idea

                                                                                                                                                            “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                                                                                                                              • Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 20960
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                                Paul is right I ran twistys into the ground and I'm very thankful for the life preserver Fabian threw me it saved me from drowning


                                                                                                                                                                You did a great job promoting Twistys and had a good crew that you were smart enough to hire. I remember doing pretty well back when you had that one promo tool where you had a different girl every day or week (can't remember if it was daily or weekly) who did a little promo vid. It changed dynamically on your end to a different girl the next day (or week...my foggy memory)

                                                                                                                                                                I used to put that up on the main page of Ampland and leave it on "auto-pilot" and it would make a few sales each week like clockwork.

                                                                                                                                                                Another "softcore" site that sold UNGODLY amounts was Lightspeed's Tawny Stone when she first came out.
                                                                                                                                                                She just had that "it" factor. I put this tiny ass 120x60 button on the left hand side of our main page and it would make 50 to 75 sales a week off of that.

                                                                                                                                                                Even though I do maintain that hardcore outsells softcore in general...there are always exceptions to the rule. Always.
                                                                                                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Cherry7
                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                                                    • 3564
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                    I understand it completely. You're saying that if I made a 100% softcore site that all the people who came to that site would be my targeted audience for that style.

                                                                                                                                                                    And I'm telling you that between 1997 and 2007/2008 my "Babe" section got more traffic than any entire softcore site that you know of. And we made a few grand a month of off those sales.

                                                                                                                                                                    Compare that to what we made off of the "Hardcore", "Anal", "Big Tits", "Milf", and "Teen" category pages it wasn't even in the ballpark.

                                                                                                                                                                    It was more in the ballpark of our "Redhead", "Shemale", "Ass", and "Black" categories.
                                                                                                                                                                    Well there you go, you didn't understand.

                                                                                                                                                                    I would have thought it best to have a page with both hard and soft core content on it.

                                                                                                                                                                    Lonking the hard core pics to hard core sites and the soft core pics to soft core sites.

                                                                                                                                                                    but I was asking as this is not something I know about.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                                        Paul is right I ran twistys into the ground and I'm very thankful for the life preserver Fabian threw me it saved me from drowning
                                                                                                                                                                        You could of done better. I see you didn't counter my points. No problem.



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                                                                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                            LOL!

                                                                                                                                                                            Nice one Paul! You showed that neither Damian or GideonGallery are in this business, have any idea about what is good, and in Damian's case he just says the opposite of anything you say.

                                                                                                                                                                            That showed the true colors of their idiocy and I'm so glad I have both of them on ignore because they are both idiots. (I know what they said from people quoting it)
                                                                                                                                                                            I took the trouble to click on his link.

                                                                                                                                                                            http://adultmarketing.co.uk/

                                                                                                                                                                            5 references to me. And some to Gary on the first page.

                                                                                                                                                                            He's a marketing man promoting himself. And too stupid to realise this isn't the way to do it.

                                                                                                                                                                            At least GG is bright enough not to show us what he does.

                                                                                                                                                                            Good night guys, tomorrow will pick this up.



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                                                                                                                                                                              • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                                • 12156
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                You could of done better. I see you didn't counter my points. No problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                Look at your own lame sites.

                                                                                                                                                                                You are truly off your rocker, troll.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 20960
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Damian's site and knowledge are pretty pathetic when it comes to marketing.

                                                                                                                                                                                    One of my brothers is in the car business. And THOSE guys can sell shit. And sitting with my brother looking over the details of marketing with a car dealership is pretty educating.

                                                                                                                                                                                    This is the movie that all car dealers and salesmen love to watch. And if you ever watch it you begin to really understand the psychology of how to sell to people:
                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0199054/

                                                                                                                                                                                    To me it was like watching what I already knew because I've been in entertainment/showbiz since I was a child. So everything has always been "carny" and "working" people and promoting and entertaining.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I get people everyday...program owners, solo girl sites, porn girls...wanting me to take over their stuff and make them money. They can't figure out how I do what I do with CM's site.

                                                                                                                                                                                    And the answer is really easy. It's my entire life of being in show biz. A front man, a song and dance man, etc. You either have "it" and get the experience needed in life to supplement that ability...or you don't.

                                                                                                                                                                                    It's how I do what I do. While some guys are poring over stats and making painfully long decisions on what color to use for the background...I'm up and running circles around them off of what I instinctively know my audiences want.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Reading that stuff on Damian's site...it's pretty generic. And I'm sure he is helpful to some folks and gets them to a level that they think is really good.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I look at it and know that a guy like Damian would walk into a bar full of car dealers and try to tell them about marketing and be laughed out of the building.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Replace "car dealers" with any of my managers/agents of my bands over the years and the same thing would happen.

                                                                                                                                                                                    It's why most things in this world fail. If everyone was good...there would be no "winners". So thanks to the Damians and Gideons of the world, I get to look really good while I'm making all this money. lol
                                                                                                                                                                                    -Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • jimmycooper
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 4016
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96


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                                                                                                                                                                                          • porno jew
                                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 10166
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            umm why the jeff koons photo? what does that prove?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • jimmycooper
                                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 4016
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by porno jew
                                                                                                                                                                                                umm why the jeff koons photo? what does that prove?
                                                                                                                                                                                                It proves nothing. I just like it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • rogueteens
                                                                                                                                                                                                    So fucking bland
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 8005
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Have you made a sale with that kind of content? "Babe" softcore stuff like that never sold for us at even 1/100th the amounts that hardcore stuff did. And in today's "everything is free" market...I wonder what it would do now?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not talking whether or not it makes YOUR cock hard or not. I'm saying making a SALE (which is what you said). I honestly don't believe that a picture like that would make me one dollar for a new sale. It would be a nice filler pic to have in the members area to help encourage rebills as one of a million pictures or the first "pretty girl" shot before she gets fucked hard.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    But an actual SALE? I don't think so. Great artsy pictures can't sell a porn site by themselves for sure. Maybe as a small part of the overall selling point. But if I don't see a sweaty pic of that whore getting anal drilled by a black basketball team...I ain't pulling my credit card out. lol
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • gideongallery
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 7082
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Robbie

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I get people everyday...program owners, solo girl sites, porn girls...wanting me to take over their stuff and make them money. They can't figure out how I do what I do with CM's site.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        and how many tube sites accepted your business plan to mininova pornhub

                                                                                                                                                                                                        according to you it would have changed the entire industry for the better and made who ever accepted the savior of the industry

                                                                                                                                                                                                        hell why not use all those millions you earned as an affiliate to buy porn hub and put it thru your magic make over.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The reason I call you names is because you are either deliberately acting stupid or you are. Either way it makes you look incredible inept to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'll explain this to you slowly...Since 1996 I ran TGP's.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Around 2001 I stopped taking submissions because my traffic was too valuable and I made a lot more money off of hosted galleries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I signed up for over 400 programs and ran their galleries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        THAT is what I would do with your tubes. I would sign up for all those programs, then I would go to each one and ASK for some of their older vids...perhaps ones that were already on Pornhub in the past.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Then I would set up trusted accounts for paysite owners only. Then I would CAREFULLY set up the page templates for their videos based on the niche of their sites. Keeping the pre-paid shit less "spammy" looking so the page actually makes some sense and has the ability to sell something for the pre-paid sponsor AND the video owner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        And finally I would look at each vid uploaded. And I would personally decide which ones went up each day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just like a TGP operated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        No need for DMCA or stealing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I'd set this all up while the current Pornhub was still live. Once everything was in place I'd flip the switch and change you from being a hated thief into being the biggest and most profitable affiliate in the world.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        That good enough for you? I was willing to come to see you personally and map this out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why? Because you're my bestest friend in the world?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        No.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Because I believe that if I could make Manwin enough money doing things the right way, that it could be an industry changer and help raise up many of these paysites from the dead. Which would increase production across the board and make the entire industry healthier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If the biggest tubes in the world (Manwin's) followed this plan and were successful, then others would naturally fall in line. Just like they fell in line naturally with the current fucked up system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        There you go Fabian.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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