fris

and the fact that no bank in mtl wanted to deal with mansef had anything to do with it?

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DWB

The industry is full of scum, but none of them have done the damage these dick heads have done.

Regardless of everything in your list, as shitty as it is, consumers would have always paid for porn in one fashion or another. Unless of course, someone gave them all the porn in the world for free. You simply can't recover from that. Not ever.


Hey WOJ, you're a programmer. A damn good one. Honest question: Would you say it is typical for a programmer to be in possession of 100+ million dollars?

will76

I hear all of the fun is being the "front man". You get all of the attention and get to pretend you own the company and everyone blows you for it. When in reality it is someone else's money which who knows what shady / illegal activities said money was generated from. Every "operation" needs a good front man.

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Yes I would. Bitching about manwin is not going to do shit. Just get on with it and make yourself money and stopping moaning about shit you can't change.

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Barefootsies

You mean like torrents? Rapidshare? Sharing forums? TGPS? YouTube? Google images?

Among others right?

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I like DWB, but he's being a bit hypocritical. When all of the I$ bullshit was going on (most on that list), he spent months here backing them up because they had bought content from him for years and his good buddy Glenn wouldn't possibly do something like he was being accused of. Even after dozens of affiliates across multiple boards came forward and said they hadn't been paid, even after people posted proof they had their cards banged by them and how they were involved in shady cross selling, DWB continued lambasting anyone here who spoke out against I$. Just sad that it took them eventually fucking over DWB for him to realize all of those early on affiliate claims were valid.

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One day someone will release details about the past 4 years and everyone thinking of conspiracy theories here and elsewhere about me and Manwin will feel utterly stupid and realize that they really had no clue about M&A transactions, the power of understanding business and financing and the importance of having good advisors, both legally and financially.

Regarding the secret service stuff, maybe the reason I bought Mansef assets regardless is: 1) I bought assets, not Mansef itself, and 2) I know more about the secret service seizure than is publically available knowledge? Maybe, just MAYBE in a deal of this size, I would have looked at the exact circumstances to the seizure, the reasoning to it?

All you conspiracy people think too small, you think no-risk, you will never get anywhere big in this industry...

To each their own...

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I'm flattered, I guess... lol...

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woj

It's not typical for sure, but possible, look at Bill Gates or the facebook guy, both programmers that made some smart business moves and are now worth Billions...

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As do I. He's top notch.

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it has been stated before if you even own anythign of manwin and just are a PR guy to spin things whatever way they want you to.

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Nathan

Fris, people state all kinds of crap... if you ask our Public Relations Manager she would tell you for sure that if I am a PR guy, I SUCK AT IT... If this was about spin, I would definitely not be the one doing it...

Its Saturday evening, this is fun while I watch TV with my kid.

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will76

How much money did you have in 2000 ? My memory is a little bad but weren't you working for John Albright not too long ago???

So you really want everyone to believe you have made 100's of millions of dollars and are the sole owner of manwin?

How much are you worth now?

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theking

I have no problem believing what you say you are but for whatever their reasons some do not want to believe that you are anything other than a spokesman...because for whatever their reasons they do not believe you had the money to invest in acquiring the assets of ManSef. You identify yourself as a partner...Managing Partner...maybe it would be helpful to you (providing you even care...if I was in your position I would not care) to state how many partners there are...unless stating the number of partners would violate some kind of company policy.

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Of course not, that was sarcasm. I'd put my money on either Russian mafia money or something else involving shady Russians which I won't discuss here because I'd probably get sued for doing so. Either way, shady Russians are involved.

But then again, I'm just a simple tranny pornographer so I could be totally wrong and he legally programmed his way to 100 million buckaroos. Considering that is the most logical explanation, and the one they want us to believe, we should all just go along with it and keep the Borg off our ass.

However, I do know this... once a thief, always a thief.

DateDoc

Yes, because if it is true we will be able to embed tube8 movies! Duh!!!

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most people likely will unless they change it. gfy has needed an upgrade for awhile , then again if it isn't broke why fix it. some things just seem silly like the only videos you can embed are non-industry related videos

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I just heard that Will76 works for Manwin.

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After that he worked for the exceo ibill after ibill went down the tubes. He was fabian back then not nathan he came on here telling about one of those boxtop porn tv things the company name escapes me. I just remember chasing them around gfy asking for my fucking money ibill owed me

will76

Ok "managing partner" errr front guy. I took the 5 mins to use GFY search. This is what I found:

Nathan/Fabian leaves Too Much Media / NATS 12-8-2006

So what, you got 1/3 of a share and bought out then released an affiliate program on 2-27-2007 Nathan (formerly with TMM/NATS) releases new Amateur Flash Portal!

To 7-16-2010 Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

So you want people to believe you went from being a part owner (1/3) of Nats that ended in Dec 2006 to starting your own affiliate program in 2007 to just 3 years later buying 100 million dollar companies.... and that you are not just a front man...

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no, but all this manwin talk got me hungry, think I am going to have one of these for lunch:

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Coup

never stopped much of anyone when they skinned the joint, doubt it would have much of an impact if they owned it.

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theking,

there is no benefit of me stating anything more than I am already stating... The term "Managing Partner" comes as a lose translation of "Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter" which is a german term for a company owner that is also managing the day to day of the company. Because there are plenty of people that own a company and employ a CEO. (As I do for Manwin Canada and my european business). That people somehow associate with the term "Managing Partner" that there must be other "non-managing" partners to me is just funny and shows how little people know about true business. I am not going to change my title just because someone on GFY builds a conspiracy theory around it...

Regarding the money comments, I am not here to teach anyone how to invest and make money. People need to learn how deals like this work.

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theking

I understand and agree that there is not any benefit to you...what I do not understand is why you respond to me or anyone else on this board.

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theking, saturday evening, nothing better to do... it's fun... sometimes..

you will notice that 99% of my posts are done on the weekends or holidays.

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tony286

Anytime Ive dealt with a managing partner there were always other partners. If they were just the owner then they wouldnt need the term partner attached to it. They would be just owner.

DWB

While forums are a serious issue, the others are not.

A torrent user is a certain type of user, you're not going to convert those guys. They don't pay for anything.


Fucking Christ, here we go again. I will say this one last time because I like you.

1) I was under contract with them BEFORE anything bad about them ever came out. I had no idea what they were doing or what was about to happen.

2) I said all along that I did not have a problem with cross sales so long as they were somewhere visible on the page. Just the same as I don't have a problem with fine print when you sign any other contract. If you refuse to read it, that is your problem. Not mine.

3) I also said all along that until I see the wrong doing with my own eyes, I would not follow the mob without proof.

4) I used my OWN credit card THREE TIMES and TWO MORE TIMES with a card not in my name and guess what... to date NOT A SINGLE CHARGE other than the original sign up charge.

5) During the time of my contract, towards the end of it, I did find out about them doing other shady things and it has nothing to do with anything you think it does. Then as soon as my contract was up, I would not renew it and DMCA'd the entire site I had with them and to date it is still offline. I severed all ties and to date have not spoken to any of them.

6) As I said, I do not follow a mob. I am not a lemming. I am my own man who makes my own decisions based on FACTS. Not hearsay, not mob rule, not on what will make me popular, but on real facts that I see for myself. Until I saw what I needed to see, I had no choice but to think otherwise. I know some companies who will set out to destroy others in this very manner, by bad PR. I'm not falling for that and it is a shame so many of you do.

7) Still, where is the proof of a card being banged and prove to me it was banged and they didn't just miss a cross sale. Prove it. I said it back then and NOT ONE PERSON did it, and that was to screen record the entire sign up and cancel process for everyone to see. Record it all. Then when extra charges came, everyone could see it who's fault it was. Did anyone do it? No. They just cried and said their card was banged. Yet mine never was, and I'd love to sit here right now and tell you they banged the hell out of it, but I can't. So you have to wonder about those who joined and those making posts and what their motive was. "Proof" is not a credit card statement. Proof would have been a recorded sign up and cancel. No one ever did it, even after I begged them to do it so they could show me that I was in the wrong. Why do you think that is?

8) Glenn is still part of I$, don't let anyone tell you different. The dumb fucks never terminated my sever account with them and until just recently I had access to EVERYTHING they were working on and Glenn still had to approve everything while in Colombia. They have a folder just for him and everything goes through it along with notes and everything else. You would not believe the shit they kept on their servers. Idiots.

9) I've done deals with shady people before and I'm sure I will again. Everyone has. It's impossible to work in this business and not deal with someone shady at some point. Shit runs downhill and EVERYONE is connected to dirt bags and is doing business with them in one way or another.

So please, go fuck yourself. You have no idea what the circumstances were. And to date, I still have never been banged by them. But if you dumb asses could have see past those god forsaken cross sales so many of you lost sleep over, you may have stumbled onto something much, much worse. But the mob can never see past the first idiot leading the group, so I guess I can't blame any of you for being short sided.

So now I'm a hypocrite because I did some content deals with people who ended up later on being crooks while I bust Manwin's balls for stealing my content and profiting from it? So be it. A hypocrite I am then. That's a hell of a lot better than a lemming and not being able to find out the truth on my own.

You know... you could all mob up in typical idiot GFY fashion and blame all of the tubes and everything else shitty on me. You could base it all on things I said about I$ in the past. I would expect nothing less from you ass hats.

signupdamnit

That's one thing I have to give him credit for. He responds and he's usually respectful when doing so.

theking

I have noticed and in a sense you post for much the same reason I do. I am retired and I post just to occupy some of my time and yes it is fun...sometimes.

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Which COMPLETELY proves that I am not the owner, obviously...

This is the part I do not get really, I am supposedly this spin-doctor who does PR work only and is tricking everyone into thinking that I own the company.. but I am too stupid to change my title to "Owner" and therefor OBVIOUSLY I am not the owner...

The logic of some people...

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DWB

Nathan, the fact that you even waste your time trying to defend your position and acquisitions on GFY of all places, tells me you are not the person you claim to be.

Someone who is really in your position would not bother with this nonsense for a minute. Why would you? For fun? Please. There are a million other things you can be doing for fun, GFY is not one of them. If it was for fun, you'd reply with photos of ******* or your nuts on an iPad with your stats under it. That is how someone in your position would post for fun. But trying to defend your position to GFY over and over and over again... really? Come on man.

They picked the right man for the job though. You keep everyone busy enough so their eye doesn't stay on the ball. You're very good at that. Whatever Russian mob boss tells you how high to jump, he should give you a raise.

roly

none of those are anything like porn tube sites, tubesites = instant gratification unlike torrents etc, tgps showed image galleries, mgp's only showed teaser clips and youtube doesn't allow porn.

porn tubes give it away, so why would people buy it?

Alprazolam

this guy cracks me up

DWB

OK, but I don't think NATS had the same success has Microsoft of Facebook. Did they?


Will76, totally off topic... do you know what year/month NATS had that big security breach?

Slutboat

This is cracking me up. You guys really don't realize you are talking to the most powerful man in porn? Yes above Flynt and Hef and the rest...

Even if he is a minority partner he is obviously the one at the reins. It doesn't take much digging to see that Fab Fabe is the big cheese so the question is what are we going to do with the fact that we have a freindly audience with the head honcho and he enjoys getting his feet muddy with us degenerates on his weekends...

Fabe I'm pretty bummed to hear you have kids I was hoping I was going to man the cocaine and the island and the elegant cars.

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I believe many of us are hoping that if he's really in charge he will clean up some of his online properties. He's spoken of doing this and has perhaps made some changes already, but I think many of us would like more things changed ASAP.

Barefootsies

The subject matter, or frame of reference, was Brazzers/FREE PORN/content.

Not instant gratification porn.

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For someone who claims to know so much about true business it's very shocking that you don't know the definition of "Managing Partner". You may want to look it up, since it's your chosen job title.

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He looks like a dirty Arab, who is it?

12clicks

It will be fun bumping this thread in a month or two and asking all these big talkers why they're still posting here.

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fuck off faggot

you are the limp wristed bitch who refers to people as 'toots'

christ youre a fucking loser

Slutboat

Fabulous Fabian has said in his own words he delegates to only 2 people: CEO Manwin North America and CEO Manwin Europe. You think those execs need a "front man" to claim that they are underlings?

And Ms Crash I think you just showed that this discussion is a little above your pay grade hun don't you have bread baking?

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DWB, this is another thing I do not get... even if you do not believe that I am really in charge, why would you keep discrediting yourself and claiming I am not, calling me a liar and basically making sure that I will never ever respect you because of the crap you write... Why would you not at least try to see if I am actually in charge and use it to your benefit? Even if there is just a 1% chance in your eyes, it still seems much more beneficial to you to use that than to completely making a fool out of yourself...

Anyway, I do not know where the rule is that states that a business owner of the size of my business is not allowed to have fun on GFY and why anyone thinks they can judge what I am supposed to do or not...

You guys do not know me, if any of you commenting this way would, I would maybe accept, but considering that the people posting the crap here do not know me at all and do not even want to try to find out how I am personally.. well.. makes me sad in a way...

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signupdamnit

I think one thing is clear. Manwin has made many enemies already with the piracy. For every one person who posts about it here there 100 to 1,000 more in the business who feel the same but aren't being vocal about it. It's not a popularity contest but I think it's likely that it will catch up with them.

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Then again, thousands of people work with us every day... I just can not imagine we lose out on so many as you seem to think...

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signupdamnit

You may not be that bad of a guy but if you represent a company which is helping to destroy much of the industry you should expect many of us to give you some hell every now and then.