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Some interesting news on the Dot XXX domain name front:

https://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=...rder=0&thold=0

great article :thumbsup We cant forget about .xxx it cant just be the topic of talk for a week . This is our careers.

And I beg again of the supporters of .xxx Please look and understand where this will lead.


Although ICM Registry claims that dot-xxx domain name extensions would be voluntary, the dot-xxx domain proposal has stirred concerns of censorship. Several Congressmen, including Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) and Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) have called for mandatory dot-xxx laws. Sen. Lieberman has said that XXX domain names are necessary to force webmasters to ?abide by the same standard as the proprietor of an X-rated movie theater." Rep. Upton said at a hearing that dot-xxx domains should be approved "as a means of protecting our kids from the awful, awful filth, which is sometimes widespread on the Internet."


Again, if you support this it is my opinion you are Confused, have been mislead or have a financial motives.

You are so right

I would debate this some.
However...

I support .xxx. I believe it would level the playing field. Companies must contend with subversive webmasters and elements that defame the industry as a whole.

For example: SPAM, Auto installations, intrusive marketing into realms where adult should not be. There are alot of sleaze balls in this biz that have raped our industry and given us a bad name. The audience does not respect us, they do not trust us.

With self regulation through .xxx detractors of this industry can be thwarted.
I am a believer in freedom of speech and I think .xxx can play right into it and enhance it.

Is it freedom of speech to place adult materials into the eyes of those that do not want it, nor old enough to view it?
I would suppose it is but in my opinion it is un ethical. Adult is in Mainstream everywhere hell it's at electronics stores, mainstream book stores and even adult video stores. But where is it placed? Its placed conveniently in area's where adults can get it.

Short term some ISP's will block .xx perhaps. Thats a legal front unto itself however we all know from the experience in the early day that services that blocked adult content were not succesful. Adult was in demand.

Theoretically we would be able to police our selves through the issue of these domains as bonefide industry, abuser's are regulated out of .xxx for violations in SPAM, CP, and the various nefarious shit people do to damge this business.
Long term result is that even the consumers would subscribe to sites in confidence that the website is authentic in ethical business practice.

There is alot of money to be made in .xxx, make no mistake and this industry would have a chance to recover from the damage it has taken over the years.

I do wish that money generated from .xxx would move to a lobby, and that people within industry would populate the IFFOR to make decisions as an industry and monies be moved towards an industry lobby and defense.

Its not to late for such events to occur. I for one think that .xxx is inevitable.
However the reversal of the commerce department obviously has figured out that a TLD for an industry can most likely begin a process of justified cause should .xxx fuel a lobby.

Anyays end my 2cents.

This is a very important issue. It's just a damn shame this thread will fall off the first page like a rock from a skyscraper.

but when Oct-Nov hits the panic will begin and we will have 25 threads on the first page. Heaven forbid we prepare to fight this early.

Mark, have you ever tried to use a visa or a bank card online and had it declined because the bank involved doesn't approve of what you wish to purchase???

http://www.babeclub.com/tr.jpg

this is the type of shit you and the rest of us will be looking forward too if this .xxx passes and you can bet on it.

I've said it before, I know your intentions are good, but damn man this is much bigger and will harm legit business more than the scum of our industry. They have proven they have no ethics, .xxx will not stop them.

On the same token those alternate credit companies will win out and people will go with that crediting bank.

The industry could weather that.

Fear is definatly a factor in this whole mess. I myself do not know if this version of .xxx will go through, but if it does...
It might not be best till the industry gets a better shot and clear deal to represent itself using .xxx as a conduit not a stop sign.

If more people got involved it can be brought together with a strong intention to justify adult to people around the world and no longer an instrument to use to gain votes when politicians on there last breath write laws that are forced against us all unjustly.

I have said this before.

The industry needs armor.
Together it can be done.

Uh NO you are wrong. This would KILL a bunch of legit business. While you might have a few surfers who will sign up for a firepay or Net teller account. Your ( incorrect spelling intentional) crazy if you think this wouldn't kill some companies. It would render merchant accounts useless. I am just as angry with the low lifes as you are but if you think the industry can take a 50-75% hit your sadly mistaken.


This is the same as me asking you to design a sign-up page that takes 2 days to load. ( sign up for one of the above listed methods and you'll understand)

No, it can't and the most surfers will not apply for an alternate credit card just to get porn online (the vast majority of surfers still use IE when there are better alternatives). Zealots beg the government to enact legislation instead of taking personal responsibility and spending 20 bucks on filtering software. You under estimate the apathy of John Q. Public and his/her complete unwillingness to manage what they view online or control the way they choose to raise their children.

The internet was created to allow free expression and prevent any one government exercising it's authority on thought. Greed is the most powerful force in the universe and supporters of .xxx in our industry have only $$$ on their mind. :2 cents:

Ya do not think people want adult entertainment?
People Want Adult, they gladly pay for it, especially a quality service.
They will goto credit companies that transact it.

How could that not occur?

What do you if iffor decides you shouldnt get a domain or keeps yours? The problem with adult is people love to buy but wont defend it.THey got a show off the air and you dont think they cqan get .xxx blocked comethis will be shooting fish in barrel. Your income will be cut by 70% . Say goodbye to all daytime work surfers, college students. It makes it easier for them to go after us, your really not thinking this out. This does nothing for freedom of speech.The thieves will still steal and the only people fucked will be the honest hard working webmasters.

no they wont they will go back to dvd's Your kidding yourself if you think they will use that much effort to jerk off. They will go back to a tired and true medium.

So what you're saying is... the industry ought to, on its own power, back itself into a corner with dot-xxx and then tell the government, "Gee, aren't we good citizens, now please leave us alone!" And then we should expect that the conservative anti-porn religious people in government will say, "Yeah aren't they reformed now that they're on dot xxx," and will all the sudden after decades of trying to bring down our industry declare that porn is now okay as long as it's on a .xxx domain name? Wow... wouldn't it be wonderful if the world worked that way. :1orglaugh

You don't get bargaining leverage by handicapping yourself FIRST and then begging your antagonist to toss you a bone for mutilating yourself.

With all due respect, your arguments remind me of the arguments of someone I know who is poised to make a lot of money off of each dot-xxx domain name sold. Let's be clear, I'm NOT suggesting at all that YOU are, but what I AM suggesting is that you probably heard arguments from someone with a FINANCIAL INTEREST in dot-xxx domain names and bought into their hype because it seemed to sound reasonable at the time. These "let's be responsible" and "dot-xxx is the path to respect from the government" arguments are coming from people WITHIN this industry who want to profit financially from dot-xxx. And those who stand to make money off this thing will only BENEFIT if dot-xxx becomes mandatory. If they win, and if dot-xxx becomes a reality, it won't take long until webmasters are complaining on the boards about the various ways they will be coerced into using these domain names.

Amen to that!

Connor what I am saying is if monies for .xxx generated from purchases went to a lobby the adult industry would be able to easily defend itself and advance into the places it deserves to.

Mainstream, bigger things.

Theoretically that would be the best option.

Do the math on even 5000 .xxx purchases.

Pop that into legal defense and a lobby.
Oh snap, the adult industry would be as powerful as the car and drug lobbies almost over night. We would be somthing very very formidable to anyone that decided to knock on the services and rights as a legit service and industry.

We all know adult is a legit service. Masterbation is OK, Looking at hot chicks fucking is OK, looking for better ways to fuck is OK. This industries legitamacy deserves and I dare say REQUIRES representation on a political level.

Again, there are a few holes.

The avg surfer wants his membership NOW!!! Not in 30 minutes to 2days as most of the credit services like the ones mentioned above.

And that doesn't even begin to discuss the topic of rebills. Good bye PPS.

OR webmasters will get paid 12.00 per sign up and will have 2% of the sales they used to enjoy.

Why should a private company take the revenue they make to defend our industry when most of the players really dont . Please think about what you are saying in realty they dont give a shit about us .THey are doing this for the money simple. I think also this iffor thing is going to get beyond their control and more problems will be happening.

Okay, based on your response I'm 99% sure I know who you've been talking to then. :)

What that person almost always fails to tell people is that IFFOR, this supposed "lobbying" group that will get money from dot-xxx sales, will have only one maybe two representatives from the adult industry on its Board. The rest of the IFFOR Board will be made up of people from OUTSIDE the industry. That means the adult industry interest will always be out-voted. Whoever represents the industry on the IFFOR board will be participating in an exercise in futility. Money given to IFFOR will almost never be used to benefit the industry. If you think that it will, I have a bridge to sell you. Look into this further yourself... read up on IFFOR and the makeup of its Board, then ask yourself why someone deceived you into thinking that IFFOR would be an adult industry organization.

If I'm right about the person I think you've been talking to, you should really think long and hard about who that person represents and whether or not that person might be FINANCIALLY motivated by these arguments he/she is giving you.

Well perhaps the industry better let them know that .xxx will not pass until those in this industry with the power to say "We are going to do it this way" come forward.

People like Lensman, SteveLightspeed, Legendary Lars, etc etc etc, Processors, ISP's and the like. Put people like them on a table that decides.

Honestly Thats is what needs to happen. The guys at IFFOR I am sure knows that needs to happen for this to move or fail.

There is a right way and a wrong way. The wrong way we been going is taking what ever shit Politicans and credit companies throw at us and duck.
That road is not working anymore.
I am taking this from a visionary stance, and there is time to make adjustments. No adjustments down with .xxx.

I do think this biz can do it and I do think this biz can regulate itself with an industry table that controls .xxx.

Once again, and PLEASE understand this... THE INDUSTRY WILL NOT CONTROL .XXX!!!! IFFOR will only have a SMALL MINORITY of Board members from the industry, and they will be OUTNUMBERED by people OUTSIDE the industry. If that were shown to you, would you recant your support for dot xxx?

Right now IFFOR is not offering such a thing or it appears that they are not willing to negotiate some seats.

No negotiations they wont get what they want.
They open the table up put our guys in we control our destiny.

.XXX could progress and money can be moved to where we need it to get that armor.

I have visited several religious/conservative websites that have polled their surfers on the issue of .xxx. Every poll I've seen so far has shown the clear majority to be AGAINST .xxx (because they think it will be a legitimate 'red light district' for internet porn and will increase the reach & popularity of online porn).

Needless to say, I have also contributed my vote to these polls :)

It would be a bad idea to post links to these polls on an adult industry forum, but perform a little google sleuthwork & you should be able to find quite a few open polls.

Whats the "Small Minority" of board members?
We need more seats then thats all...
Unless of course that Small Minority is persuasive or enough to get what this industry needs from .xxx.

Youve got to be kidding right , who they need they bought already. The way they pitched iffor to icann was that it would mostly made up of child adovcates not pornographers. Also you could buy all the lobbists in the world, they will take your money sure but no politican who wants to be reelected will defend porn .

And there is not a politican alive that would not hesitate to damage us out of exhistance nor a politician alive that will fight porn and survive the humilations of not getting anywhere and waisting tax payer money.

The DOJ is going to be on the ropes again hands down.
Every movements from government to thwart adult has failed more or less because even they know what we do is legit.

However ya can be damn afraid that the courts will shift in time unless we are able to defend off that mounting danger of growing conservative Judges or even Liberal ones that decide Porn is bad.

A small minority is like ONE SEAT. And no, you're kidding yourself if you think that one person will have any weight in IFFOR.

board members, no boardmembers.

Lensman, Lars, Jesus Christ himself the point isn't controlling .xxx . If/when ISP's decide to block it. And/or banking institutions decide to adopt a "policy" against adult transactions. Those "controlling" .xxx will be riding a mule on derby day.

.xxx allows us to be put in a neat little box. and nothing good will come of that

Well its a bunk deal and IFFOR can look forward to failing.

1 seat huh?

Who is it?

The courts HAVE shifted over time... IN OUR FAVOR. We win the vast majority of the fights we have with the government. What we won't win, however, is a fight with Visa or Google or Yahoo or ISPs. That's why .XXX is so dangerous, because it gives our antagonists a way to regulate us outside of government by putting pressure on private industries. This is NOT self-regulation by ANY means. This is forced regulation, plain and simple. You are failing to make a convincing argument here. Maybe you should re-think?

It is one more attempt to get rid of online adult business.

THe funny thing is, I dont think that they have thought of what will happen when they do. There will be more unemployed people, and the BILLIONS that are earned by companies, and people will no longer be brought in, and spent.

Who gets the seat? That remains to be seen. I'm guessing someone who helped make dot-xxx a reality and supported ICM, but hey, I'm cynical.

That people think like Q is very scary

Me to.

Ask around:)
For the sake of discussion though I doubt that the Commerce Department will let .xxx pass if they are not gonna let it go to ICANN.

Thats an interesting turn.
They are afraid this industry will get together through .xxx.

Thats clear as day.

thanks for the XXX link buddy.

In my opinion, 2257 has already helped bring this industry closer together. Support for the 2257 fight has been tremendous. XXX, however, will tear the industry apart. The lawsuits over XXX domain names alone will be staggering.

Karups has it right. All we are doing is standing in line to get fucked in the ass by a government that doesn't give 2 shits about us. Come November/December, people will be whining and bitching about the "proposed regulations" . If you can't feel a major onslaught coming on so, you need to take your blinders off.

The funny thing about this is that it was brought on by our own industry...and it'll soon be adapted as a standard of the adult internet world.

I was thinking maybe the gov , figures they say they are against .xxx. We the idiots then embrace .xxx thinking it will be a safe haven and it wont.

Well the industry is in a pickle.

We can face the laws unorganised or we can face them together, but with no epicenter in place we are no better than feudalists to take apart by a more organised power.

2257 is one piece, .xxx can be a piece that we can use to empower ourselves.

I do not think there is so much to fear if such a conduit that pools finances together is made and I for one think that .xxx can be such a conduit.

Maybe not this time around but maybe later but the sooner we get together and do it we are still on square one while the Laws are free to pick us off.

Its quite a problem.

We don't have to own .xxx domains just because it's a new adult extension so the .xxx domain's might have restrictions forced on them but if we can keep our original sites i see no problem with this..:) :pimp

most transactions would come from a processor.. who is not a adult company / site.. so i dont see a problem with transactions getting blocked.

i cant see wnu.xxx or ccbill.xxx anytime ever..

but hey.. push http://ohmobile.com :)

Are you getting paid to promote .xxx , your trying too hard and its not based in reality at all.

Please do not resort to insults.

I am not on the .xxx pay roll, I assure ya. What I am capable to offer is providing basic thoughts on how .xxx can help us. I like the idea, I support the idea.

This version of .xxx? I honestly do not know all the details. The details are hard to come by. But what I do know is somthing has to be done and .xxx is the key. Now people can sit and say nothing like they have been, hoping that the "Problem" will go away. The problem will not go away. The problem resides in solving the problem of politicians and Law makers legislating our industry out.

The industry can do it, I am sure it can but we need a table and platform that generates money for our cause otherwise we are sitting ducks.

.XXX can bind this industry together.

One more time slowly they are not raising money to protect our industry. Who told you this bullshit??? They are doing this to get rich. Stuart Lawley said himself in a interview posted on this board, their motivation was money.Aslo Im not insulting you but you are trying too hard on points that are very flawed

What people dont understand is that voluntary can turn into mandatory with one new law, and the people behind the .XXX name have already stated they plan on making their new executive director a "lobbyist type" who will be placed in Washington.

If you think .XXX being mandatory is good, then you obviously have no respect for current traffic/name brand recognition going to the TLDs that exist now. The existing traffic will not just be "forwarded" and there will be a real possibility many filters and banks will block this TLD. Simply put, it would make things a LOT more difficult for everyone.

AlienQ, with respect to your business, imagine a whole lot less potential clients for design and development.

Yeah thats no war chest either only 250K.

Thats pretty fearful and is a possiblity if the biz can not defend itself nor has a means to defend itself. So we end back at square one by doing nothing.
Ya wanna continue with business as usual and ignore that this industry has no base to generate money to defend itself?

Maybe the current structure of this version of .xxx is not adaquet, actually I am leaning towards it not being adequet but none the less a good idea. With some changes it can work.

It wont work your kidding yourself

Your kidding yourself if ya think the industry can continue to survive the way it is going right now.

Honest business has to contend with illicit people that damage the industry in many places. We goto protect ourselves from that as well and by doing so we save the mainstream alot of grief.

Transactions solutions providers always changing.
Visa changing.
Aggressive Law Makers comming in.

How long can it last down this road?
The answer is building up some armor via a conduit where we all pitch in our stakes within .xxx territory. Its a pure revenue stream to defend ourselves and bring some order and self regulation. Correction, Can Be.

Yeah . . . who needs Visa . . . . .

:food-smil

Umm...
What?

VISA? Of course we need Visa.
Credit Banks that wont transact adult, is not Visa.

Ya think the credit companies are against this industry sniveling about every dime we make for them? :1orglaugh