Hey Tony404 I am just trying to get this to be debated.

It needs debate, this topic has opportunity.
I dunno how many times I goto say it, I am not paid by .xxx guys who ever they are.

Ya read what I am saying when I say "MAYBE this is not the right deal for .xxx"?
But MAYBE .XXX can be somthing that brings the industry together for self regulation in the future or maybe even this time. Obviously no one knows enough about whats going on with it.

Ya people can scratch your heads all day wondering why Law Makers have problem with us. Maybe some self regulation can go a long way huh?

Connor- It is individual "Companies" that are putting this industry at risk.
Content Police? Sure I am not to much an advocate for "Adult" entertainment that degrades women, nor "Adult Entertainment" that "Entertains" using what appear to be underage models.

Fact is thats the stuff that Law Makers want out. I can see why Law Makers would rather not have such depictions that clearly cater to the wrong kind of people with the wrong kind of intentions towards minors.

I never been a fan of that practice of that sort of "business" nor the kind of business that seriously degrades women. We will have "content police" one way or another fuck all we already got them, but I am not one, I am one of us.

It is my opinion Self regulation can help such issues and for that self regulation to occur it needs a revenue stream a council and involvement from the facets of this industry.

its too late for self regulation to tell you the truth, every politian has gotten x rated spam in their email , they have misspelled a mainstream site and got porn. Sadly the only thing this industry embraces is making money without thinking longterm. How many people promote penis pills and extenders knowing they dont work and everyone knows it but this industry supports it.Sites that clearly are way over the top and clearly abusive to women , what do people say boy thats going to make alot of money.The net is global , its not like video where there are only a hand full of companies that have alot of money in the game. Where any asshole with 15 bucks can start in adult. The only people that will get fucked by .xxx are the honest ones sadly because thieves dont follow rules to begin with. So this really wont effect them one way or another. >kids would be the way to go it would truly protect kids with a .kids only browser but there is no real money in that. As one of the justices had said when copa came back to them, there are very good software programs out there already that will protect children from adult but they are not being used.

"Fact is thats the stuff that Law Makers want out. I can see why Law Makers would rather not have such depictions that clearly cater to the wrong kind of people with the wrong kind of intentions towards minors."

WRONG!

The fact is that is what they use to attack us because it is the easiest front to attack us on. Make no mistake that those attacking us don't discriminate between Extreme and Vivid, they want it ALL gone.

If thats so, why did the DOJ target Max Hardcore?
Why did they target Rob Black?

Why not Hustler or Playboy?

Why not Vivid?

Clearly the actions are not inline with your thinking.

They didn't target Max...That was the City of Los Angeles.

and the actions are directly in line with my thinking...Just like I said....as any predator will do you attack those outside the herd, they are easy targets, then you work your way in.

If you think that the Bush regime would be OK with us if we all shot what Vivid and DP shoot you are seriously delusional.

What I suspect at this point is that you just like hearing yourself make noise on this subject

Ahh yes...

"The Herd".

Thats what I am talking about.

Here lets step into "The Road Warrior" filmed in Australia, starring Mel Gibson.
The portion where the road gang takes down a buggie, rapes the woman in front of her husband than shoots her with a crossbow.

That shit was mainstream in theaters.
Freedom of Speech still applies to this industry and Hollywood. Parents have the option of not allowing there children to watch that, now is that title's video clips abruptly shoved into peoples email boxes as a marketing ploy within a practice of Freedom of speech?

.XXX has nothing to do with those issues.

Fear is leading this industry into making the wrong decisions.
>XXX is a window of opportunity for us. ( AGAIN MAYBE NOT THIS VERSION OF .XXX! )
But somewhere down the line this industry needs to get organised with a revenue stream that can be used to regulate.

.XXX can do that if done right.

Yup you are delusional

you think that a TLD will "bring the industry together"

at least one of 2 things here is true here

1. You like hearing yourself make noise on this issue
2. You stand to profit from it.

Okay, I have been trying to keep from speaking up again, but WTF are you talking about?

2257 was never intended, nor can it possibly keep porn away from kids, explicit or not.

Its intent (if you want to believe the lawmakers) was to prevent children from being exploited as content, not to keep them from viewing it.

Mike.

60 bucks per domain recurring per year times umm.....


say

20,000 domains.

How much money is that bro?

Watch the TGP's do head shots.
Did ya read the full scope of 2257?

How many content providers are limiting the disclosure to webmasters?
Umm...

Ghee... Its OK Baddog scratch your head some more and noodle it.

Mike thats.....


1.2 MILLION DOLLARS OVER NIGHT.

Now ya wanna think about how it can be used to regulate the industry?

Humm????

Alien - unfortunately just about every person who has read this thread must now be thinking the same way Mike does.

You are either incapable of seeing any view but your own or you are standing to profit from it.

The way you are approaching the whole question certainly makes the dollars question valid.

It's almost as though you have been primed by someone else and turned loose. Quite frankly your tale a couple of days ago about a Damascus Road conversion to the xxx concept while you were in a store selling magazines was laughable and now many of us are beginning to wonder about how genuine you really are.

Fucking-A Mark, that money is not coming to us . . . .why do you think it is?

So you are proposing that some arbitrary "body" is going to use MY money to regulate ME

Fuck that

and lets remember who it is reall making money off of this Its ICMR why do you keep deflecting the heat from those scumbags?

Oh now i been "Primed" LOL!

You people are unreal.

LOGIC.
FREE THINKING.
OPEN MINDED.


And highly aggressive.
God forbid that I am primed! Why ya think that? Umm maybe because what I am talking about makes sense?

This shit is a no brainer to me.
NO one has primed me. I have thought this shit through.
However you are the one that enjoy's reading himself. You are not even trying to understand what I am explaining. I have posted so many times on this bitch I can't stand it anymore, its like a broken record.

Alot of you guys are motivated and act on fear.

FEAR.

You are afraid.
Afraid to think.
Ya have had yer little huddles instigated little fears because you fear more than caring an attempt to reason and visualise a possibility.

I have not been primed.
I think on my fucking own.

Because you are not reading what I am saying!!!!

Where am I supporting ICM or IFFOR?
Where am I saying that this version of .xxx is good?

I am not....

Wake up
Dude.

What I am saying is clear.
Your just ignoring it.

Just interjecting some facts here...

the $60/domain goes to ICM. Other registrars will charge more, on top of the $60 for their profit.

$10 out of $60 goes to IFFOR for its administrative overhead and for grant writing.

organizations in both mainstream and adult can apply for grants. The money to IFFOR has never expressly been set aside for adult biz, for which this "self regualation" effort was promoted.

organizations like wiredsafety.org (which don't like the adult biz) can get grant money to further their education agenda to protect children from the "bad people".

There is no money set aside by IFFOR to help promote adult biz issues to washington, other than the claimed $250K set aside for legal challengs of not making .XXX a mandatory law.

Your premise that .XXX can help the industry by receiving money from sales of .xxx in order to better support the adult biz is not founded on any facts.

to the contrary, there is plenty of publically available info that proves that that IFFOR/ICM is not acting in the best interests of the adult biz, and also that the adult biz will not be profiting any way from .XXX that you believe.

Only those that are working with IFFOR/ICM will be gaining the spoils.



Fight the Money Trail!

Its you who needs to wake up...by supporting .xxx you are supporting ICMR and the cyber zoning of adult for no reason other than to allow the government easier access to legislate us...every single one of your arguments has been thouroughly shot down, you are simply making noise now....I'm over it..

get on with program son....It's later than you think.

You'd make a fine addition to this industry if you extracted your head from your anal cavity.

So FTP, knock this version of .xxx out and rewrite the rules so that the industry can benefit itself.

Not a bad idea is it now?

the problem with your points is you believe that power and control can be taken from those that hold it.

ICM/IFFOR have the power to decide what to do with .XXX

their organization chart clearly puts the adult biz in a minority vote of 1 specific seat out of 7.

if .XXX is to help the industry "self-regulate", then surely you can see that any time a vote is called on a decision, the adult vote can be easily out voted by the other 6 directors.

the other positions will be filled with those that have an agenda to severly restrict the adult biz.

there is no way to "take back" the power, other than killing .XXX

this whole "self-regulation" and "voluntary" verbage is very similar to the sci-fi classic movie "To Serve Man".

For those geek-challenged, this black/white movie showed aliens coming to earth in the guise of helping humanity, offering technology and travel to distant worlds. they offered a book that documents their intent to help mankind with the title of "to serve man"... but written in their native language.

the scientists were able to translate the words and discovered that the book was not about helping mankind, but it was a recipe book to eat mankind.

how funny how life imitates art.


Fight the analogy!

Whats stopping leaders of this industry to confront the people behind .xxx and renegotiate?

Why not?
Are they afraid?

If you really do think on your own - or even think at all - just try thinking logically for just a few seconds and you'll have your second Damascus Road conversion in less than a week.

And won't that be good for you - St Paul only got one - you can have two - I hear that they're almost as good as orgasms - but I wouldn't know personally - I'm too scared to have them.

Idiot

BRILLIANT! :thumbsup

actually, it was a twilight zone episode:
http://members.cox.net/kaiotea/serveman.htm

been so long since i saw it... a classic.


Fight the Correction!

I'm going to try this ONE LAST TIME. We are a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

We as an industry have no power to "demand" to renegotiate. to renegotiate would imply we negotiated to begin with.

Our only recourse as an industry is to do everything in our power to stop .xxx from happening. End story.

I knew that, but wasn't going to sidetrack based on minor details.

AlienQ is an amazing individual. A living, breathing wall.

I went outside and tried talking to my garage, and had the same results.

Has anyone tried?

Lensman?
Ron Levi?
RB?
Shaw?
Bennet?
Marc De?
Lawson?

And the umm 30 or so other guys that actually do shit in this biz legitamatly?

Kinda weird how all of them been quiet about this whole issue huh?
Are any of you even that fucken sure none of them have taken up interest and decided?

Ya do not know do ya?

I do not either...

But damn the silence is spookie aint it?
It means a couple things...

From experience, if they opposed it ya could bet there would be more of an outcry.
WAY MORE!

Or...

They are going to Negotiate.

One thing is for sure...

They are not sitting quietly about it.

Doing nothing like most of you...

That is.

Peace out.

So evaluate what I had to say today...

I guess I did put my line in the sand and I will wait...

Patiently for this fucken industry to get its head on straight.

I am sorry Alien, can you be not that smart?

Why would they want to re du there deal, they are going to make millions and millions of dollars, they were paying everyone off to help them get this going, over the course of years, deals are in place, and you for sure know who is involved, one you asked if he was involved and he said no, and you believed him, why he said no was for the very reason, this kind of posting etc.

Its funny, this is Biz 101 fuck you style, and i know its hard for most to get that, but I come from the world of fuck you entertainment biz in LA for years. I have seen some real serious shit go down that totaly opened my eyes and showed me just how far and what people will do for a buck.

To Alien and all the other webmasters/program owners and anyone else that makes there living from the WWW....got news for ya, the .XXX group could give 2 shits about you!

I know you would like to think "the best of people" ...this much money at stake, dont count it.

I remember a few years back on Netpond and mabey later on Oprano We had the what happens if .XXX ever becomes reality. Some said good, some said bad.

All I remember preaching is that it will be the FIRST STEP in Net Zoning laws, regs.

Just like alot of cities, counties, etc have adult zoning laws, they will try and do the same with adult net.

Will I buy some of my domains in the .XXX Tld, not sure yet....

Alien, Gold rush days are over for the most part, of course there will be more regulation, etc. but .XXX isn't the way to get there..

First Volantary, then must do........ The righties in this admin, and Religious right don't care if we are playboy, vivid, hustler, etc, etc They don't want any adult if they can choose... Just like they won't budge on Abortion, it's always a NO, life or death or not..

I am one of the first adult webmasters to hit the net, have seen alot of stuff go down in over 11 years, but this one is gonna be tops....

Who's deal mike?

Industries "Leaders" deal?

By god if thats what your saying it is quite significant is it not?

Guys that made millions in this industry wanna destroy it?

What kind of logic is that?
They "WHO" ever they are need the legitamacy of this industry to continue to make more.

Of what good is .xxx when its blacked out? I am betting it is not a fast buck play.
We are talkin seasoned veterans in this industry that can afford to put money and effort anywhere they wish.

i am sorry .......that you dont get it......seems like everyone else does and those who have specific details on this...i cant discuss the way they will battler this .XXX but they have enough shit on those and know what there motives are etc.

Yes the very ones that made millions dont give a shit about you or any of us, does that surprise you?

Of course they do not care about us...

Why should they?

They care about the industry progressing...
Sorry I am interested in seeing this industry grow up.

They dont care...........

No they dont give a shit about anyone or industry progressing....

If you are really interested in seeing our industry grow...BLOW THIS .XXX DEAL UP AND STOMP ON IT TILL ITS DEAD DEAD DEAD....

LOL...

Bullshit...

I been around long enough to know that the names above working with some of them and working with some of there break offs and some of the 30 other folks for the past 12 years that do legit biz do fucking care about the INTERNET Segment of the industry.

It would be trite for you to think otherwise.
It would also be foolish to think they do not care.

Again what good is .xxx if it is blacked out to them?

From experience I know they need this industry to progress.
Its not a kill mission.

Logic of the "fearful" doom of the industry is not holding up is it?

I goto piece this shit together...

But damn if I make sense huh>?

I will tell ya...you have been behind the computer screen far to long...

This is a deal that seems to be way over your head, and I am now tired trying to explain it to you, and everyone else also. Doesnt it bother you that you are "sitting alone" on this one?

i have always had to go look in the mirror when I am trying to make someone believe in my opinion or when i have trouble with many, i normaly look in the mirror and realize it just might be me that is the problem....

That is ok, you can stand alone in what you seem to want to believe in, makes no fucking sense to many people including myself....but its a free country and we can still what ever we want.....and i choose..to say:


FUCK .XXX AND FUCK THOSE WHO SUPPORT .XXX...DONT DO BIZ WITH THEM!

Now I am done, i wish you all the luck, will you be in Florida for that Panel? .XXX might just need you....

Yeah the mirror is definatly a bitch...

I been there.
Making some of the most fucked up shit...

I do not call a silence an "Alone" issue:)

I have no problem standing alone on my thoughts.
This is not the first time!

Sorry I wont be on the .xxx panel.

I have not been offered yet;)

Are you saying "Fuck You Lensman"?

Whats wrong with the flow chart baddog???

Get a beer lets talk about this or is that really your final resort?

.xxx is really short thinking.
If you move adult into one pool, and it get blocked, you just create more spam and misleading SE traffic, because somehow it have to be, and will be, marketed. And there you go.... back to same "problem", even bigger. Blocking it? Hell, you do not need .xxx or any other domains. An IP is enough....

Correct.
Yes:)

and when you get arrested what will you do? it is this fucked up thinking that got us into this mess in the first place

Who can decide what content you have on your computer as long it is legal content? Can they arrest you for not using a domain and IP instead? In that case, every computer in this world is illegal connected.

Yes - I agree about the spam thing. But thing is that whatever you do to make the internet a safer place, someone else will do opposite to make money. Not all can be reached - and if you take away the "competitors" who run their sites in more ethical ways, you just make room for more spam. dot-xxx will not solve that problem.