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Mack 07-02-2005 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
I'd be interested in seeing the header on the mail??

NO.

Did he send a complaint to you?
or anyone with the ability to "regulate" the situation?? SpaCash ?? anyone??

No. But I am sure Spa Cash could track em down if I forwarded it.

There is an affiliate ID:
http://www.longmoviedownloads.com/in...dSid3d&trial=1

Possibly encrypted aff ID.



did you forward it to Spa Cash an allow them to suspend his account??

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack
did you forward it to Spa Cash an allow them to suspend his account??

Why so the guy can go find another program to abuse?

And thank you 3Piece!

I am sure that reporting it to CAN SPAM will help the future of honest Adult Companies that have to work against non honest affiliates or business.

NOT!

Mack 07-02-2005 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Well thank you 3Piece!

I am sure that will help the future of honest Adult Companies that have to work against non honest affiliates or business.

NOT!


Whoaaa there Alien. I thought we were weeding people out that were dishonest. You can not have both sides of the road pal.

Isn't this the guy that will " find another program to prey on" ???

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 02:50 PM

I get that kinda shit everyday.

Everyone does...
Why?

Because it continues unabated by Regulatory practice.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 02:50 PM

Thats my point in just one facet that will help legit companies regarding .xxx.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 02:51 PM

Rest assured as the abuse continues those that harbor and operate such techniques will be weeded out by regulated guide line through .xxx and information sharing.
Eventually they will run out of places to hide or they will run out of places to run to.

Mack 07-02-2005 02:52 PM

You keep posting like this

ASRC ( adult self regulatory counsel) exists and actually has some type of power that is greater than the government and would not be harmful to our industry.


It doesn't It will not, it's not going to happen. If it did exist it would be filled with the same sons of bitches that are working .xxx behind the scenes. And would be worthless.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 02:54 PM

I do think it can be said that the industry will work itself into .xxx and not be forced into it by laws.

The industry would eventually clean itself up through good business practice as the corrupt basically ruin any efforts on the .com, .Nets and .orgs or what have you.

Mack 07-02-2005 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Thats my point in just one facet that will help legit companies regarding .xxx.


You still haven't answered my question.


how would .xxx have stopped that spam from getting into your inbox this morning.


do not post about some non existant organization that will never exist. Tell me how a new TLD would do it without isps blocking the .xxx tld??

Direct answer with some basis of reality please

Mack 07-02-2005 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
I do think it can be said that the industry will work itself into .xxx and not be forced into it by laws.

The industry would eventually clean itself up through good business practice as the corrupt basically ruin any efforts on the .com, .Nets and .orgs or what have you.


You can not be serious.

baddog 07-02-2005 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack
You can not be serious.


That is the scary part . . . he probably is.

american pervert 07-02-2005 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack
by the way this is the type of thing the Can-Spam act was supposed to fix Remember Can-Spam???????


Let's just regulate the industry out of business.


I'd be interested in seeing the header on the mail??

Did he send a complaint to you? or anyone with the ability to "regulate" the situation?? SpaCash ?? anyone??

Ok, I work for SPACash, how does our name come up in this? I can't stop affilates from spamming. The only thing I can do, and that I do do is to ban their accounts. If someone has a better idea about how to prevent affilates from spamming, I am all ears.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 03:07 PM

"how would .xxx have stopped that spam from getting into your inbox this morning."

I do not know but let me take a guess.

One can trust it was not sent from an honest .xxx.
Complaints would be sent to .xxx and the affiliate program. The affiliate would be fingered and shared then removed as an affiliate to the honest companies that work within or operate a .xxx domain thus removing risk to the honest companies exposure against possible private lawsuits or even governmental ones from those that recieve unwanted or explicit adult spam.


Who knows...

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by american perv
Ok, I work for SPACash, how does our name come up in this? I can't stop affilates from spamming. The only think I can do, and that I do do is to ban their accounts. If someone has a better idea about how to prevent affilates from spamming, I am all ears.


Read the thread and welcome to the discussion.
There might be a way you can protect your company dude.

american pervert 07-02-2005 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Read the thread and welcome to the discussion.
There might be a way you can protect your company dude.

Sorry, but 7 pages of your bs isn't worth reading, hate to break it to you.

If someone wants to give me the cliff notes that would help, I scanned all the pages and SPACash only appears on the last 2.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by american perv
Sorry, but 7 pages of your bs isn't worth reading, hate to break it to you.

If someone wants to give me the cliff notes that would help, I scanned all the pages and SPACash only appears on the last 2.


I will forward it to ya.

Whats your Email?

Mack 07-02-2005 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by american perv
Ok, I work for SPACash, how does our name come up in this? I can't stop affilates from spamming. The only thing I can do, and that I do do is to ban their accounts. If someone has a better idea about how to prevent affilates from spamming, I am all ears.


Thank you, that was my point exactly.


but that doesn't appear to be good enough for some people.

american pervert 07-02-2005 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
I will forward it to ya.

Whats your Email?

tony at spacash dot com

american pervert 07-02-2005 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack
Thank you, that was my point exactly.


but that doesn't appear to be good enough for some people.


That's b/c most of them don't run affilate programs.

Mack 07-02-2005 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
"how would .xxx have stopped that spam from getting into your inbox this morning."

I do not know but let me take a guess.

One can trust it was not sent from an honest .xxx.
Complaints would be sent to .xxx and the affiliate program. The affiliate would be fingered and shared then removed as an affiliate to the honest companies that work within or operate a .xxx domain thus removing risk to the honest companies exposure against possible private lawsuits or even governmental ones from those that recieve unwanted or explicit adult spam.


Who knows...


you obviously missed the part about not using the non-existant organization that would be made up of the very sons of bitches behind the push for .xxx.
as your answer.


but I'll let you off the hook and answer it for you.


It wouldn't have.

Mack 07-02-2005 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by american perv
That's b/c most of them don't run affilate programs.


I agree, most are content bitching and complaining we won't do anything about it, rather then sending a complaint or forwarding it to someone who will take care of it.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 03:20 PM

Your point does not hold water Mack.

That affiliate would branded and prevented from entering a .xxx affiliates program as it would be shared. Repeat offenders could face lawsuits or even the FTC.

american pervert 07-02-2005 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack
I agree, most are content bitching and complaining we won't do anything about it, rather then sending a complaint or forwarding it to someone who will take care of it.


I love when they are happy to run to a board and post about the spam, rather then email me. And here's a hint, when you do deciced to email, send me the FULL email. That way I can see the tracking links and figure out who sent it. I think we might need a noobs course on how to handle spam the mature way. Like the spam fucking hurts you. Do you know how much spam I get everyday? Guess what I do, I delete it. If you need to bitch, report it to a sponsor and don't be an asshole about it. Don't type in all caps, threaten legal action or come off like a complete asshole. Forward me the email with a short message about how you got this and what I plan to do with it. The nicer you are to me, the more I will be happy to help you.

american pervert 07-02-2005 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Your point does not hold water Mack.

That affiliate would branded and prevented from entering a .xxx affiliates program as it would be shared. Repeat offenders could face lawsuits or even the FTC.

And you think Russian spammers care about American law.... Try to enforce any spamming laws outside the USA.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 03:22 PM

No offense SPA Cash I was not doing it to report spam but to prove it as a living example.

I am sure your company does what it can.

american pervert 07-02-2005 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
No offense SPA Cash I was not doing it to report spam but to prove it as a living example.

I am sure your company does what it can.

I do what I can, and if you bitch about the spam but neglect to report it to me, you are an asshole, pure and simple. Now if you are anything like me, you suck it up and delete it rather then talk about it on a board.

Mack 07-02-2005 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Your point does not hold water Mack.

That affiliate would branded and prevented from entering a .xxx affiliates program as it would be shared. Repeat offenders could face lawsuits or even the FTC.


2nd time

you obviously missed the part about not using the non-existant organization that would be made up of the very sons of bitches behind the push for .xxx.
as your answer.


but I'll let you off the hook and answer it for you.


It wouldn't have.

3piece chicken Dinner 07-02-2005 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by american perv
I do what I can, and if you bitch about the spam but neglect to report it to me, you are an asshole, pure and simple. Now if you are anything like me, you suck it up and delete it rather then talk about it on a board.


The only other step is report it to the people who enforce Can-Spam Laws.


I think I'll take my chances with Tony.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 03:33 PM

http://www.iffor.org/images/IFFOR_Org_Chart.gif

See "Free Expression Support Organisation" in the Illustration and the "Privacy and Security constituency".

Are possibilities that would take up affiliate fraud and information sharing.

Mack 07-02-2005 03:35 PM

Final time


you obviously missed the part about not using the non-existant organization that would be made up of the very sons of bitches behind the push for .xxx.
as your answer.


but I'll let you off the hook and answer it for you.


It wouldn't have.

Rochard 07-02-2005 04:10 PM

I've tried to read this entire thread but it's a bit much. Cliff notes anyone?

One of the strange things about this issue is the lack of attention to "other things". According to our government, porn is the root of all evil. Much more attention to should be given to kids seeing other things freely available on the Internet - Sites about self mutilation, how to hot wire cars, how to build bombs, how to plan a raid to kill their follow students. You can't get this kind of crap off the Intenet.

And no matter what, at the end of the day, the kids are smarter than most parents when it comes to computers - and they'll side step any measures put into place to prevent them from seeing what they want to see, no matter what it is.

Next up is the fact that such laws would only work in the US if porn was forced to the xxx domains. If such a law was put into place, the porn isn't going to go away. People in other countries will still be able to put up sites on any domain or TLD it wishes - and there isn't anything the US Government can do about it.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 04:34 PM

Ya place a good argument RockHard as to why .xxx being the only place
ADULT WOULD be and being FORCED INTO .XXX IS QUITE BOGUS.
BUt it makes a great shock story for the sheep.

Realistically it would almost be impossible to force .xxx to be the only place for adult online.

Far-L 07-02-2005 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Here Far L let me make it easier for you...
http://www.ialien.com/owned.jpg

Thats what .xxx does.
MK?

Kool...


LOL

Ask your daddy about his FTC Decree...

You still shine at not knowing diddly.

Grow up.

I have been around long enough to know you were run off at least 3 boards for being revealed to be a complete moron.

Keep spewing your sputtering burbly nothingness. Your lack of knowledge is something you can brag to your kids about one day.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 04:55 PM

Shit Far L I do not recall the FCC busting who?
Or taking down what lately?

What are saying?
Fucken retard. You know that don't you?

DUMB. As a fucken nails.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 05:02 PM

I will tell you folks right now what Far L is all mad about.
I used to work for CE.

Thats right...

CYBEREROTICA.
CECASH.

Worked for Ron Levi Proudly! Infact I still get along with em.
But ya know poor old Far L...

Poor Far L no longer has a paycheck, lost his ass in court and now thinks that somehow I am some sorta guy of Rons...

Quite the Contrary. I run my own business as a design company in Los Angeles out of Ialien.com. iAlien is an LLC in Nevada.
I been around in the industry over 12 Years now...
I've worked for alot of people. Some gladly some badly.
That can not be denied. But one thing is for sure... All but one of the companies I used to work for might be a little disgruntled about me because I didnt like how things were done...

Now Far L...
Just because your really are an idiot and Ron could not stand your lame ass the whole time does not mean ya can single out one of his ex employee's and stock them and slander them.

You are stalking me Far L and I will fucken file a suit on your looser ass so quit. Your pushing me. Ya wanna make AVN again as this ex employee of Ron's is being herassed by you because you are a fucken child and to stupid to see that your fucken with the wrong guy again?

It would make great headlines ya attention whore.

Far-L 07-02-2005 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Shit Far L I do not recall the FCC busting who?
Or taking down what lately?

What are saying?
Fucken retard. You know that don't you?

DUMB. As a fucken nails.


You don't know the difference between the FTC and the FCC and you are calling me the retard?

You know how stupid you look?

Little monkey, keep dancing for the banana your organ grinder pays you with...

$5 submissions 07-02-2005 05:05 PM

From the article:
While some have argued that a dot-xxx TLD is inevitable, Thursday?s move by the Commerce Department calls those assertions into doubt.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 05:35 PM

True.

.Xxx could be or is toast.

Right now. Nothing more than that AP to go by.
I said so on page 2 or 3 LOL:)

Far-L 07-02-2005 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
I will tell you folks right now what Far L is all mad about.
I used to work for CE.

Thats right...

CYBEREROTICA.
CECASH.

Worked for Ron Levi Proudly! Infact I still get along with em.
But ya know poor old Far L...

Poor Far L no longer has a paycheck, lost his ass in court and now thinks that somehow I am some sorta guy of Rons...

Quite the Contrary. I run my own business as a design company in Los Angeles out of Ialien.com. iAlien is an LLC in Nevada.
I been around in the industry over 12 Years now...
I've worked for alot of people. Some gladly some badly.
That can not be denied. But one thing is for sure... All but one of the companies I used to work for might be a little disgruntled about me because I didnt like how things were done...

Now Far L...
Just because your really are an idiot and Ron could not stand your lame ass the whole time does not mean ya can single out one of his ex employee's and stock them and slander them.

You are stalking me Far L and I will fucken file a suit on your looser ass so quit. Your pushing me. Ya wanna make AVN again as this ex employee of Ron's is being herassed by you because you are a fucken child and to stupid to see that your fucken with the wrong guy again?

It would make great headlines ya attention whore.

You are insane. You brought CE into this a long time ago. Not me.

And by the way... chalk that up as another ex-job.

Design firm?

You counting your pets as employees?

What have I said that isn't true? You are a second rate designer and you have been fired time and time again for being lame. Now stop pretending you are actually successful enough to wage a lawsuit and go back to making some banners and buttons, peon.

Far-L 07-02-2005 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
True.

.Xxx could be or is toast.

Right now. Nothing more than that AP to go by.
I said so on page 2 or 3 LOL:)

L-O-S-E-R

I know you have trouble with your spelling so I am just trying to help you out...

Far-L 07-02-2005 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
All but one of the companies I used to work for might be a little disgruntled about me because I didnt like how things were done....


I almost missed that!!!!

hahahahahahahahahaha

So they all hate you because you came in and said the way things should be rather than paying attention to what was asked?

Typical lameness... designers that think they are something special but are not are typically prone to that kind of arrogance...

Now you want to just set everyone straight about the way things should be
in the industry because you don't have an about to be former employer to tell it to right?

Moron. :321GFY

How is that lawsuit coming along tough guy?

bhutocracy 07-02-2005 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
I have shown one possible facet how .xxx can reduce spam already and it is within the documentation on the website.

.xxx to program: Hey one of you affiliates is spamming.
program to .xxx: shit really? I'll go can him. sorry.
program to spammer: dude can you lay low for a few weeks? We've got another site launching next month, thanks for the $10k worth of sales. You'll get your cheque next week.
program to .xxx: we cut the bastard!... sorry about that. We can't control our affiliates spamming though... anyone can sign up, send a few tgp sales and switch over to spam after a few weeks.. no way we can stop that.
.xxx to program: yeah it's ok you spend $5000 on domains with us each year anyways i know theres nothing you can do and there will always be a few bad affiliates out of 1000.. as long as you stay on top of it and do your best especially when we contact you about it.

AdultMovies.bz 07-02-2005 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RocHard
Next up is the fact that such laws would only work in the US if porn was forced to the xxx domains. If such a law was put into place, the porn isn't going to go away. People in other countries will still be able to put up sites on any domain or TLD it wishes - and there isn't anything the US Government can do about it.

Thank you very much, this was my exact point as stated on page 5 :thumbsup

hotstuff 07-02-2005 07:03 PM

wake the hell up. you're advocating the equivalent of jews voluntarily transporting themselves to the concentration camps and then asking not to get slaughtered. wouldn't have helped them, ain't going to help us.

<disclaimer> no disrespect meant to the holocaust </disclaimer>

hotstuff 07-02-2005 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RocHard
Next up is the fact that such laws would only work in the US if porn was forced to the xxx domains. If such a law was put into place, the porn isn't going to go away. People in other countries will still be able to put up sites on any domain or TLD it wishes - and there isn't anything the US Government can do about it.

icann derives its authority from the *us* dept of commerce. see the problem?

bhutocracy 07-02-2005 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhutocracy
.xxx to program: Hey one of you affiliates is spamming.
program to .xxx: shit really? I'll go can him. sorry.
program to spammer: dude can you lay low for a few weeks? We've got another site launching next month, thanks for the $10k worth of sales. You'll get your cheque next week.
program to .xxx: we cut the bastard!... sorry about that. We can't control our affiliates spamming though... anyone can sign up, send a few tgp sales and switch over to spam after a few weeks.. no way we can stop that.
.xxx to program: yeah it's ok you spend $5000 on domains with us each year anyways i know theres nothing you can do and there will always be a few bad affiliates out of 1000.. as long as you stay on top of it and do your best especially when we contact you about it.

I should modify this given we're talking about a hypothetical org funded by the industry - not the several million dollars behind this current version of .xxx

.xxx to program: Hey one of your affiliates is spamming.
program to .xxx: I paid 100k to get you set up and in on the action, fuck off and don't bother me ever again.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 08:10 PM

Deluded Far L...

Go on tell me more about my life...
It only proves that you are a fucken psycho.

Far-L 07-02-2005 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Deluded Far L...

Go on tell me more about my life...
It only proves that you are a fucken psycho.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Is that the best you could come up with?

Pathetic. About as unique and original and compelling as one of your breakthrough designs mr 12 years of generic work.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-02-2005 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Is that the best you could come up with?

Pathetic. About as unique and original and compelling as one of your breakthrough designs mr 12 years of generic work.


Whats some sites I designed Far L?

Your the expert...

american pervert 07-02-2005 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Whats some sites I designed Far L?

Your the expert...


You don't have to be a designer to know if a site is good or not.


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